Sergey Sirotkin
Discussion
Everyone has an opinion on the currently available Williams seat, but I haven't heard anybody yet say that they want Sergey to stay.
I feel a bit sorry for Sergey. He has been completely off the radar all season, quietly (and to be honest, narrowly) out-performing the much maligned Lance Stroll. I noticed that on the Sky Brazilian Grand Prix qualifying he didn't even get a name check during the grid rundown. I didn’t notice anybody else being skipped.
What little coverage I have seen has praised Sergey. He has really committed to Williams, he spends more time at the factory than probably any other driver and is very switched on technically. He also seems to have a good attitude and hasn’t done anything silly on track all season.
He also brought a s
t ton of money which surely helps.
To those who will point out that Stroll has scored six times more points than Sirotkin, I’d say the points are misleading and you should look at qualifying and race performance across the season.
I dunno. Opinions? I can’t say I’d rather have Ocon on the bench, and the Kubica fairytale has a certain appeal, but we’re lead to believe that Sirotkin is still firmly in the frame and has not been discussed at all?
I feel a bit sorry for Sergey. He has been completely off the radar all season, quietly (and to be honest, narrowly) out-performing the much maligned Lance Stroll. I noticed that on the Sky Brazilian Grand Prix qualifying he didn't even get a name check during the grid rundown. I didn’t notice anybody else being skipped.
What little coverage I have seen has praised Sergey. He has really committed to Williams, he spends more time at the factory than probably any other driver and is very switched on technically. He also seems to have a good attitude and hasn’t done anything silly on track all season.
He also brought a s
t ton of money which surely helps.To those who will point out that Stroll has scored six times more points than Sirotkin, I’d say the points are misleading and you should look at qualifying and race performance across the season.
I dunno. Opinions? I can’t say I’d rather have Ocon on the bench, and the Kubica fairytale has a certain appeal, but we’re lead to believe that Sirotkin is still firmly in the frame and has not been discussed at all?
I was thinking this whilst watching the race on Sunday. A bit like Brendon Hartley, Serotkin seems to be steadily building on his abilities and it would be good to see him in the mix further up the field.
On a more subjective note, I find him really interesting to watch speaking, he is clearly an intelligent chap and there is something about his mannerisms I find intriguing, not sure why!
On a more subjective note, I find him really interesting to watch speaking, he is clearly an intelligent chap and there is something about his mannerisms I find intriguing, not sure why!
HustleRussell said:
To those who will point out that Stroll has scored six times more points than Sirotkin, I’d say the points are misleading and you should look at qualifying and race performance across the season.
But points make prizes, and the amount of points a driver has is a direct metric to show their race performance across a season.Qualifying is something to be looked at but the performance on race day is all that matters.
HustleRussell said:
.....snip....hasn’t done anything silly on track all season......snip.....
Singapore was his best and worse showing all in one race!That said, I can't really really think of anyone else I think should be in that seat, Kubica would be great but I think we are past the time where he will be of value (happy to be wrong) Ocon would be a good shout but it seems that has been ruled out.
AndrewEH1 said:
HustleRussell said:
To those who will point out that Stroll has scored six times more points than Sirotkin, I’d say the points are misleading and you should look at qualifying and race performance across the season.
But points make prizes, and the amount of points a driver has is a direct metric to show their race performance across a season.Qualifying is something to be looked at but the performance on race day is all that matters.
Stroll scored four of his six points in Baku at the beginning of the season, before Sauber and Toro Rosso disappeared up the road. The Williams drivers then finished 9th and 10th at Monza with Lance ahead of Sergey.
The Williams has got relatively worse over the season as all other teams except perhaps Mclaren have out-developed them.
I have been keeping an eye on them and the pace is very close but Sirotkin has looked more consistent and towards the end of the season, faster- but of course the car isn’t a point scoring car anymore.
You could correctly argue that there is little to separate the two drivers- were it not for the fact that this was Sergey’s debut season in F1 while Lance had a full season under his belt already plus the extensive in-season testing. You can be sure that with the money Lawrence brought to the team, every advantage which can be bought, has been. That is the Stroll way.
I have so far disregarded the two drivers’ contrasting attitudes. I wonder if anyone will disagree with me when I suggest Stroll is a mardy entitled fker and Sirotkin the much more professional.
The Williams has got relatively worse over the season as all other teams except perhaps Mclaren have out-developed them.
I have been keeping an eye on them and the pace is very close but Sirotkin has looked more consistent and towards the end of the season, faster- but of course the car isn’t a point scoring car anymore.
You could correctly argue that there is little to separate the two drivers- were it not for the fact that this was Sergey’s debut season in F1 while Lance had a full season under his belt already plus the extensive in-season testing. You can be sure that with the money Lawrence brought to the team, every advantage which can be bought, has been. That is the Stroll way.
I have so far disregarded the two drivers’ contrasting attitudes. I wonder if anyone will disagree with me when I suggest Stroll is a mardy entitled f
ker and Sirotkin the much more professional. HustleRussell said:
I have so far disregarded the two drivers’ contrasting attitudes. I wonder if anyone will disagree with me when I suggest Stroll is a mardy entitled fker and Sirotkin the much more professional.
Do you have any actual evidence of this? Or do you just hate Stroll because he has a rich father, compared to Sirotkin having rich businesses behind him?ker and Sirotkin the much more professional. AndrewEH1 said:
HustleRussell said:
I have so far disregarded the two drivers’ contrasting attitudes. I wonder if anyone will disagree with me when I suggest Stroll is a mardy entitled fker and Sirotkin the much more professional.
Do you have any actual evidence of this? Or do you just hate Stroll because he has a rich father, compared to Sirotkin having rich businesses behind him?ker and Sirotkin the much more professional. AndrewEH1 said:
You can't really exclude Retirements...
What position were they in before they retired? What strategy were they on? Was the incident they were in their fault?... Coulda, shoulda, woulda, you can see why some people like Mark Hughes exclude retirements with his head to head analysis.Speaking of which, I remember Mark Hughes mentioning Sirotkin is as level behind the scenes as he is over the radio.
AndrewEH1 said:
HustleRussell said:
Stroll doesn't get any special treatment from me, I base my views on what I see and hear and would invite you to compare and contrast the two driver's radio messages during practice, qualifying and race over this season.
What is "the Stroll way" then?thegreenhell said:
Jasandjules said:
He seems like a fairly good plodder to me. No real glimpses of excellence, but steady.
Is it possible to display excellence in a 2018 Williams, and if you did would anyone notice?sgtBerbatov said:
Would've rather have seen Kubica get Stroll's seat and Sirotkin stay put. But I can't see Williams fielding two inexperienced guys after this season.
I am quite excited about George Russell. Obviously they could've picked a better Russell, but George is still pretty good. But then I want Ocon to stay and Kubica to get a drive. The conclusion must be that 10 teams fielding 20 cars is not enough. The talent is out-stripping the supply of seats.
thegreenhell said:
Jasandjules said:
He seems like a fairly good plodder to me. No real glimpses of excellence, but steady.
Is it possible to display excellence in a 2018 Williams, and if you did would anyone notice?But what I mean is there have been no drives where he has outperformed the car, any awesome overtakes or similar which stand out. Though in his defence we rarely see the Williams on the TV screen in any event....
I like him, mainly because he seems to be a grafter and doesn't complain, just gets on with it. Would like to see him in a better car (whether that is a Williams or another mid-field team) to see what he can really do. Unfortunately I get the impression he won't be at Williams next year (although the money he brings may save him) but I would like to see him stick around somewhere.
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