45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 6)
Discussion
Seventy said:
Whatever happened to this?
Another lie.He's still had majority in congress and senate since election so he could have pushed this through or even exec ordered it but no, was just a simple lie to engage his base and undecided towards him / GOP.
This is the stuff that he should be picked up regularly by reporters - ignore the sideshow distraction of his twitter feed etc - and simply present facts about how badly he's running/controlling things
It's somehow unfathomable that someone in such a senior position can be under investigation on SEVENTEEN separate issues!!!!!!!
It's difficult to keep up with where this is heading, but it's certainly intriguing watching it all play out.
https://www.msnbc.com/brian-williams/watch/trump-a...
It's difficult to keep up with where this is heading, but it's certainly intriguing watching it all play out.
https://www.msnbc.com/brian-williams/watch/trump-a...
What dont people like about Trumps wall?
Current Situation.
There is mostly a wall there already
Drugs can easily come into the US
People can come into the US and stay illegally
Jobs lost to US people
People needed in the US can still come over with a work/visitor visa, like most other places in the world.
They say Brexit was mostly won about controlling our borders so it seems the same?
Current Situation.
There is mostly a wall there already
Drugs can easily come into the US
People can come into the US and stay illegally
Jobs lost to US people
People needed in the US can still come over with a work/visitor visa, like most other places in the world.
They say Brexit was mostly won about controlling our borders so it seems the same?
PAULJ5555 said:
What dont people like about Trumps wall?
Current Situation.
There is mostly a wall there already
Drugs can easily come into the US
People can come into the US and stay illegally
Jobs lost to US people
People needed in the US can still come over with a work/visitor visa, like most other places in the world.
They say Brexit was mostly won about controlling our borders so it seems the same?
The wall is nothing more than something trump wants as a monument to his presidency. Something he thinks can be seen from space like China's great wallCurrent Situation.
There is mostly a wall there already
Drugs can easily come into the US
People can come into the US and stay illegally
Jobs lost to US people
People needed in the US can still come over with a work/visitor visa, like most other places in the world.
They say Brexit was mostly won about controlling our borders so it seems the same?
trumps rant before the election was about the caravan, yet most are arriving to present themselves for asylum - pefectly legal approach.
Drugs are finding all ways into the US, not just over the wall
Jobs aren't lost to US people, most of the jobs done are those deemed to low for US citizens to do, cleaning, building, working for trump's hotels...
Whats happening is that with immigration the US population of white people (those who mostly vote republican) is being diluted, so the republicans want to keep out these nasty democrat voters, do what they can to stop them voting when here.
trump's former national security adviser, Michael Flynn, is set to be sentenced today for lying to FBI investigators.
Edit: Someone cant sleep
Donald J. Trump
Verified account @realDonaldTrump
Good luck today in court to General Michael Flynn. Will be interesting to see what he has to say, despite tremendous pressure being put on him, about Russian Collusion in our great and, obviously, highly successful political campaign. There was no Collusion!
3:41 AM - 18 Dec 2018
Too late now Donald - he's sold out everyone. Plus a reminder: 18 U.S. Code § 1512 - Tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant
Edit: Someone cant sleep
Donald J. Trump
Verified account @realDonaldTrump
Good luck today in court to General Michael Flynn. Will be interesting to see what he has to say, despite tremendous pressure being put on him, about Russian Collusion in our great and, obviously, highly successful political campaign. There was no Collusion!
3:41 AM - 18 Dec 2018
Too late now Donald - he's sold out everyone. Plus a reminder: 18 U.S. Code § 1512 - Tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant
Byker28i said:
PAULJ5555 said:
What dont people like about Trumps wall?
Current Situation.
There is mostly a wall there already
Drugs can easily come into the US
People can come into the US and stay illegally
Jobs lost to US people
People needed in the US can still come over with a work/visitor visa, like most other places in the world.
They say Brexit was mostly won about controlling our borders so it seems the same?
The wall is nothing more than something trump wants as a monument to his presidency. Something he thinks can be seen from space like China's great wallCurrent Situation.
There is mostly a wall there already
Drugs can easily come into the US
People can come into the US and stay illegally
Jobs lost to US people
People needed in the US can still come over with a work/visitor visa, like most other places in the world.
They say Brexit was mostly won about controlling our borders so it seems the same?
trumps rant before the election was about the caravan, yet most are arriving to present themselves for asylum - pefectly legal approach.
Drugs are finding all ways into the US, not just over the wall
Jobs aren't lost to US people, most of the jobs done are those deemed to low for US citizens to do, cleaning, building, working for trump's hotels...
Whats happening is that with immigration the US population of white people (those who mostly vote republican) is being diluted, so the republicans want to keep out these nasty democrat voters, do what they can to stop them voting when here.
Byker28i said:
PAULJ5555 said:
What dont people like about Trumps wall?
Current Situation.
There is mostly a wall there already
Drugs can easily come into the US
People can come into the US and stay illegally
Jobs lost to US people
People needed in the US can still come over with a work/visitor visa, like most other places in the world.
They say Brexit was mostly won about controlling our borders so it seems the same?
The wall is nothing more than something trump wants as a monument to his presidency. Something he thinks can be seen from space like China's great wallCurrent Situation.
There is mostly a wall there already
Drugs can easily come into the US
People can come into the US and stay illegally
Jobs lost to US people
People needed in the US can still come over with a work/visitor visa, like most other places in the world.
They say Brexit was mostly won about controlling our borders so it seems the same?
trumps rant before the election was about the caravan, yet most are arriving to present themselves for asylum - pefectly legal approach.
Drugs are finding all ways into the US, not just over the wall
Jobs aren't lost to US people, most of the jobs done are those deemed to low for US citizens to do, cleaning, building, working for trump's hotels...
Whats happening is that with immigration the US population of white people (those who mostly vote republican) is being diluted, so the republicans want to keep out these nasty democrat voters, do what they can to stop them voting when here.
The last paragraph is just politics and both sides play that game, it even happens in the UK with Labour trying to lower the voting age and Tories I think wanted people to show photo ID. Thats politics all round not just Republicans.
sugerbear said:
On a more practical level, the wall is never going to stop illegal immigration or asylum seekers. It certainly wont stop the drugs supply routes, they will simply divert over it, under it or around it.
A large part of Trump's "impenetrable wall" is the Rio Grande... Rio is river in Spanish and the Rio Grande separates Mexico from Texas. Here's what it looks like:
Not exactly impenetrable. The wall was never about stopping immigrants or drugs, rather it was about appeasing racist voters who were looking to blame "evil brown people" for their crappy lives.
PAULJ5555 said:
Having been to the US a good few times and even spent a month over there last year, I'm sorry but jobs are lost to illegal people.
Yep... Jobs are being lost to people without training, education or SSNs... I believe you... Oh look, a flying pig. The jobs being taken by "illegals" are the jobs that Americans aren't willing to do. Attempting to say otherwise isn't politics, it's just plain lying. If they all just disappeared, the gardening, cleaning and car washing jobs will not be filled by Americans willing to work for well under minimum wage, they'll just disappear.
If you need proof of this, go to Australia where we don't have a large underclass willing to work for cheap. There are no £6 hand car washes, most middle class people cannot afford a gardener or house cleaner, we had to do all that s
t ourselves... Also like the UK we had a not insignificant number of people on benefits because no-one was willing to wash cars or clean houses for £3 an hour.PAULJ5555 said:
Having been to the US a good few times and even spent a month over there last year, I'm sorry but jobs are lost to illegal people. The wall would lower the amount of drugs but yes they will find another way I agree.
Well trump certainly seems to employ the illegals for his housekeepers, domestics, grounds keepers etc at his properties, because they are cheap labour.Where abouts were you in the US, California, Texas, Arizona. What jobs did you see lost to them?
When we were there it was mostly queues of people wanting to earn a living, being picked up for labour in the back of a pick up for a days low page work.
or the people that made an effort, started a business, paid their taxes etc. A lot of restaurants.
Fixing immigration is not about mass deportations of people as the GOP are doing, but about creating a legal visa system for jobs Americans do not want. Then providing better education opportunities, skills-development and retraining, but Trump hasn’t offered serious policy proposals on any of these areas, in fact he's caused huge issues to the US workforce with his ill thought out tarrifs and trade wars.
Edit: There was a report that said that more jobs had been lost to automation than to illegal workers...
Edited by Byker28i on Tuesday 18th December 13:48
Gameface said:
He is truly mental isn't he.
I'm not just saying that for a sound bite, I think he truly has lost touch with reality.
There's something wrong him.
It's worth reading the redacted 302 page FBI report, where FBI agents went out of their way to jog his memory about his statements to Russian ambassador, and he still lied. I'm not just saying that for a sound bite, I think he truly has lost touch with reality.
There's something wrong him.
I mean, we now know at least 17 of team trump were having meetings, setting up back channels with the russians, even trump was negotiating over property deals and backhanders, offering sanctions relief in return. And all lied about them...
Yet still he claims no collusion - or conspiracy to defraud the US to give it it's real term
Byker28i said:
trump's former national security adviser, Michael Flynn, is set to be sentenced today for lying to FBI investigators.
Edit: Someone cant sleep
Donald J. Trump
?Verified account @realDonaldTrump
Good luck today in court to General Michael Flynn. Will be interesting to see what he has to say, despite tremendous pressure being put on him, about Russian Collusion in our great and, obviously, highly successful political campaign. There was no Collusion!
3:41 AM - 18 Dec 2018
Too late now Donald - he's sold out everyone. Plus a reminder: 18 U.S. Code § 1512 - Tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant
nice use of General before the alleged felon's name there - pushing the agenda that the "witch hunt" is taking down a brave, patriotic manEdit: Someone cant sleep
Donald J. Trump
?Verified account @realDonaldTrump
Good luck today in court to General Michael Flynn. Will be interesting to see what he has to say, despite tremendous pressure being put on him, about Russian Collusion in our great and, obviously, highly successful political campaign. There was no Collusion!
3:41 AM - 18 Dec 2018
Too late now Donald - he's sold out everyone. Plus a reminder: 18 U.S. Code § 1512 - Tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant
PAULJ5555 said:
Having been to the US a good few times and even spent a month over there last year, I'm sorry but jobs are lost to illegal people. The wall would lower the amount of drugs but yes they will find another way I agree.
As long as there's a demand, the drugs will find a way in. Trump can shout all he wants about illegals bringing in drugs, but he'll say nothing about the Americans who are buying them, and they're the real problem (depending on your view of whether drugs should be illegal in the first place). Building a wall may limit supply for a while, but it will do nothing to lessen demand. Meanwhile, the continual "othering" of Mexicans et al keeps sections of his base fired up and makes him feel loved, so he'll just keep on doing it.Lentilist said:
PAULJ5555 said:
Having been to the US a good few times and even spent a month over there last year, I'm sorry but jobs are lost to illegal people. The wall would lower the amount of drugs but yes they will find another way I agree.
As long as there's a demand, the drugs will find a way in. Trump can shout all he wants about illegals bringing in drugs, but he'll say nothing about the Americans who are buying them, and they're the real problem (depending on your view of whether drugs should be illegal in the first place). Building a wall may limit supply for a while, but it will do nothing to lessen demand. Meanwhile, the continual "othering" of Mexicans et al keeps sections of his base fired up and makes him feel loved, so he'll just keep on doing it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oP8H9nQKT4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y0nQIHn3pE
PAULJ5555 said:
Having been to the US a good few times and even spent a month over there last year, I'm sorry but jobs are lost to illegal people. The wall would lower the amount of drugs but yes they will find another way I agree.
The last paragraph is just politics and both sides play that game, it even happens in the UK with Labour trying to lower the voting age and Tories I think wanted people to show photo ID. Thats politics all round not just Republicans.
Speaking as someone that lives in, and owns a business in the USA, I'm sorry but your assertion is complete bThe last paragraph is just politics and both sides play that game, it even happens in the UK with Labour trying to lower the voting age and Tories I think wanted people to show photo ID. Thats politics all round not just Republicans.
ks. Illegal immigrants generally do unskilled labour, such as gardening work, manual labour, and house cleaning. They do this kind of work cash in hand, under the table.Those are jobs that I can assure you the vast, vast majority of Americans will not do. As such, broadly speaking historically the country as a whole tends to turn a blind eye towards the situation as it deals with an uncomfortable reality: These types of immigrants do the crappy jobs at a low price that in part enables a high standard of living here.
For jobs that Americans actually want to do (i.e. the ones that pay more than about $7 an hour), illegal immigrants definitely aren't taking their jobs. Want to know that for sure? Try and get yourself a job over here without the correct paperwork or an SSN and see how far you get. If for some reason I decided I wanted to employ an illegal immigrant (for whatever job it was) and I was caught for this, I'd face a hefty fine. It just isn't worth it when there's plenty of talent here already.
To address the wall specifically, it's largely pointless if the objective is stopping illegal immigration. Most people here illegally fly in legally and then just don't leave when they're supposed to. The amount of people crossing on foot is comparatively minimal. And as already pointed out, those that apply for asylum are coming in legally and are entitled to make the request anywhere (irrespective of whether it is ultimately granted).
As an aside, when I first moved here, I had to spend a few weeks without a Social Security Number whilst the system registered my existence so I could apply for one. It's a NIGHTMARE not having one. You basically can't do anything. No bank account, no credit, no driving licence. Illegal immigrants pretty much have to live off the grid with everthing. Cash in hand, unable to conduct a "normal" life. I can't imagine it's fun. I am not excusing them for being here illegally: I believe that people should follow the correct procedure to live in whichever country they choose, and I believe that when they do it is important to do everything they can to integrate. I'm simply pointing out that as a life it really looks like it would suck.
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