45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 6)

45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 6)

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Nealio

307 posts

192 months

Monday 21st January 2019
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Byker28i said:
Nealio said:
Byker28i said:
Have we done trumps comments about the wall around San Antonio?


“Everybody knows that walls work. You look at different places, they put up a wall, no problem,” Trump said outside the White House. “You look at San Antonio, you look at so many different places, they go from one of the most unsafe cities in the country to one of the safest cities, immediately, immediately.

San Antonio is 150 miles from the border, doesn't have a wall...
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/trump-touts...
Yeah, he misspoke and meant San Diego, what of it?
Like when he meant to say wouldn't? biggrin

I mean San Diego is where they built his wall prototypes, you'd have thought he would have remembered that.
I mean, if he's making claims that just aren't true then it's fair to pull him up on them

"You look at different places, they put up a wall, no problem," Trump said. "You look at San Antonio, you look at so many different places, they go from one of the most unsafe cities in the country to one of the safest, immediately. Immediately. It works. We have to put them up, and we will put them up. We've got to."
Yeah, if he's talking crap then call him out but making headlines from him saying San Antonio and pretending not to know he meant San Diego, when everyone with half a brain knows he meant San Diego, is just tiresome noise. So just call him out on whether what he's saying about San Diego is true or not.

Edited by Nealio on Monday 21st January 12:25

Byker28i

58,831 posts

216 months

Monday 21st January 2019
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Seventy said:
Back O/T how long could a shutdown last?
A good question. Trump was ready to sign off the budget in December until Ann Coulter forced his hand to refuse it and start the shutdown.
Now with Kushners attempted resolution that didn't involve the House or Dems, and with his base upset it did trump even less favours.
Coulters certainly not happy with the suggested deal, so that'll be pulled again

Ann Coulter
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@AnnCoulter
100 miles of border wall in exchange for amnestying millions of illegals. So if we grant citizenship to a BILLION foreigners, maybe we can finally get a full border wall.

Coulters not happy, saying: “Either Trump never intended to build a wall and was scamming voters from the beginning or he hasn’t the first idea in how to get it done and no interest in finding out.” She went on to predict that “his support will evaporate and Trump will very likely not finish his term and definitely not be elected to a second term.” In the end, Coulter declared that without his wall, “Trump will just have been a joke presidency who scammed the American people, amused the populists for a while, but he’ll have no legacy whatsoever.”

Polls are showing that the blame for the shutdown is falling on the GOP and trump
https://www.vox.com/2019/1/13/18180862/shutdown-po...


The pressure needs to be put on Mitch McConnell, the house are still trying to get separate bills through to start departments.

Countdown

39,690 posts

195 months

Monday 21st January 2019
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Byker28i said:
"You look at different places, they put up a wall, no problem," Trump said. "You look at San Antonio, you look at so many different places, they go from one of the most unsafe cities in the country to one of the safest, immediately. Immediately. It works. We have to put them up, and we will put them up. We've got to."
The depressing thing is that most, if not all, of his supporters will accept that at face value and ignore any facts to the contrary. And the Dems are never going to win the "Immigration" fight. What this means is that people hate immigrants so much they'll believe anything Trump says as long as it fits in with their view of the World, and that's why they'll vote for him again come 2020.


"The Running Man" with Big Arnie was on TV a few weeks ago. It's kind of worrying how these fictional dystopian societies seem to becoming more and more real

Byker28i

58,831 posts

216 months

Monday 21st January 2019
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Countdown said:
"The Running Man" with Big Arnie was on TV a few weeks ago. It's kind of worrying how these fictional dystopian societies seem to becoming more and more real
Good film, I liked where he stabbed the pen into his back biggrin

Gameface

16,565 posts

76 months

Monday 21st January 2019
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Byker28i said:
Good film, I liked where he stabbed the pen into his back biggrin
Trump is safe. He uses felt tips...

Seventy

5,500 posts

137 months

Monday 21st January 2019
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Countdown said:
It's kind of worrying how these fictional dystopian societies seem to becoming more and more real

Byker28i

58,831 posts

216 months

Monday 21st January 2019
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Countdown said:
The depressing thing is that most, if not all, of his supporters will accept that at face value and ignore any facts to the contrary. And the Dems are never going to win the "Immigration" fight. What this means is that people hate immigrants so much they'll believe anything Trump says as long as it fits in with their view of the World, and that's why they'll vote for him again come 2020.
Sadly you're right. We now have enough knowledge that if it was anyone else, if it was any single crime, then trump would have been indicted already, but the shear scale of the crimes is incredible, which is why it's taking so long. I think when it all comes out, especially his selling out to the russians then his base will desert him. By which time though he will have destroyed the GOP, the NRA etc

We know his campaign team conspired with at least the russians and probaby Saudi, Egypt, UAE, Israel etc to influence the 2016 presidential election.

We know that trump has made policy decisions based on campaign favors, who gave him money. We know he's facing emoluments clause violations as Trump has accepted foreign money through his hotels, where countries such as the United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia have been renting large blocks of rooms at considerable costs, without using them.

We know trump is accused of violating campaign-finance rules, evading taxes, and using federal monies for personal gain. Listed as a co-conspirator to committing a felony by directing campaign payments to the adult-film star Stormy Daniels and the former Playboy Playmate Karen McDougal to keep them quiet about sexual affairs. The New York Times uncovered a long history of corrupt tax practices in which a younger Trump and his father, Fred Trump, attempted to evade their tax obligations through false assessments of properties and other shell games to protect their money. How trump misused the funds of the trump organisation, using it as his personal piggy bank.

Then there's the obstruction, the witness tampering, the years of money laundering...

Countdown

39,690 posts

195 months

Monday 21st January 2019
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Byker28i said:
Sadly you're right. We now have enough knowledge that if it was anyone else, if it was any single crime, then trump would have been indicted already, but the shear scale of the crimes is incredible, which is why it's taking so long. I think when it all comes out, especially his selling out to the russians then his base will desert him. By which time though he will have destroyed the GOP, the NRA etc


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Based on what's happened so far I disagree. The man's lies, his hypocrisy and the fact that his behaviour has verged on traitorous has been clear for everybody to see, and yet despite all this his supporters haven't deserted him.

To assume that will happen is wishful thinking.

Seventy

5,500 posts

137 months

Monday 21st January 2019
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Countdown said:
and yet despite all this his supporters haven't deserted him.
Sorry for the snip.
Some of his supporters certainly have deserted him.

captain_cynic

11,873 posts

94 months

Monday 21st January 2019
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Seventy said:
Countdown said:
and yet despite all this his supporters haven't deserted him.
Sorry for the snip.
Some of his supporters certainly have deserted him.
The thing about any 2 party democracy is that there are always 40-45% of people that will always vote for each party. A number of people will always vote Democrat, and a number will always vote Republican no matter what. Same with Conservative/Labour here in the UK (Or LNP/Labor in Australia). 2 party systems only survive because a large and relatively equal number of voters will always vote for their chosen party. However it means the remaining 10-20% who actually change their vote get to decide things for everyone.

The difference between the UK/Oz/Canada/NZ and the US is that voters in the US register their preferred parties. That just seems daft to me as you're essentially saying you're a counted vote and they don't even need to pretend to care about you. At least here, even in a safe seat your party has to at least pretend they care.

Anyway, Trump is dependent on that 10% of Americans who change their vote, as is his opposition... And I'm pretty certain that given the outcome of the mid terms, they have abandoned him.

arfursleep

818 posts

103 months

Monday 21st January 2019
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Boydie88 said:
vonuber said:
Some school kids bussed in to protest about abortion rights and then who choose to also disrupt the march of some 'natives' - to use boyde88's terminology- on their way to honour war dead.
Whilst wearing MAGA hats, with all that connotates.

Blimey Charlie, what a thing to defend.
They were waiting by the Abraham monument for their bus before being targeted by the racist Black Hebrew Israelites and Phillips walking into their group, but ok, fabricate a story that fits your agenda, not hysterical at all. hehe
Trump will probably invite the kids to the WH, his base will love it and it will inflame everyone else.

it's certainly shone a light on the school the kids are from, which is a long way from what i'd expect a Catholic school to be

Byker28i

58,831 posts

216 months

Monday 21st January 2019
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Two years in office, 8,158 false or misleading claims from Trump.

Trump averaged nearly 5.9 false or misleading claims a day in his first year in office.
He hit nearly 16.5 a day in his second year, almost triple the pace.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/01/21...

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 21st January 2019
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captain_cynic said:
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The difference between the UK/Oz/Canada/NZ and the US is that voters in the US register their preferred parties. That just seems daft to me as you're essentially saying you're a counted vote and they don't even need to pretend to care about you. At least here, even in a safe seat your party has to at least pretend they care....
As I understand it you only have to register your affiliation to vote in the primaries, ie to select your chosen candidate. So it's similar to joining a party in the UK to select MP's/glorious leader. You obviously don't have to register an preference to vote in the actual election.

captain_cynic

11,873 posts

94 months

Monday 21st January 2019
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fblm said:
captain_cynic said:
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The difference between the UK/Oz/Canada/NZ and the US is that voters in the US register their preferred parties. That just seems daft to me as you're essentially saying you're a counted vote and they don't even need to pretend to care about you. At least here, even in a safe seat your party has to at least pretend they care....
As I understand it you only have to register your affiliation to vote in the primaries, ie to select your chosen candidate. So it's similar to joining a party in the UK to select MP's/glorious leader. You obviously don't have to register an preference to vote in the actual election.
Still, it registers your intention to vote for a specific party. If you're willing to vote in the primary, why would you then vote for the other party?

It also makes gerrymandering much easier as you know where your supporters live.

Byker28i

58,831 posts

216 months

Monday 21st January 2019
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arfursleep said:
Trump will probably invite the kids to the WH, his base will love it and it will inflame everyone else.
for a macdonalds? biggrin

arfursleep

818 posts

103 months

Monday 21st January 2019
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captain_cynic said:
Still, it registers your intention to vote for a specific party. If you're willing to vote in the primary, why would you then vote for the other party?

It also makes gerrymandering much easier as you know where your supporters live.
I had never connected those dots before...

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 21st January 2019
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captain_cynic said:
Still, it registers your intention to vote for a specific party. If you're willing to vote in the primary, why would you then vote for the other party?

It also makes gerrymandering much easier as you know where your supporters live.
The only reason for registering party is to select your party's candidate, you can vote the other way or not at all if you choose to. AFAICS this is no different to joining a Political Party in the UK to select your candidate, who then know where you live. The only real difference I can see is that voter records are public so both sides know where both sides registered voters are, not just their own.

Shakermaker

11,317 posts

99 months

Monday 21st January 2019
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fblm said:
The only reason for registering party is to select your party's candidate, you can vote the other way or not at all if you choose to. AFAICS this is no different to joining a Political Party in the UK to select your candidate, who then know where you live. The only real difference I can see is that voter records are public so both sides know where both sides registered voters are, not just their own.
That's quite a big difference when it comes to it though.

Seventy

5,500 posts

137 months

Monday 21st January 2019
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Kamala Harris has announced her candidacy for President.
I like her, if Donald starts mouthing off about her I might have to get on a plane.smile

Byker28i

58,831 posts

216 months

Monday 21st January 2019
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Seventy said:
Kamala Harris has announced her candidacy for President.
I like her, if Donald starts mouthing off about her I might have to get on a plane.smile
Interesting candidate
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-4694783...

so then so far that also includes
Former Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Julián Castro of Texas
Rep. Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii
Former Rep. John Delaney of Maryland
Former congressional candidate Richard Ojeda of West Virginia
Businessman Andrew Yang of New York
Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand of New York
Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts

quite a mixed bunch
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