45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 6)
Discussion
Byker28i said:
Nealio said:
Byker28i said:
Have we done trumps comments about the wall around San Antonio?
“Everybody knows that walls work. You look at different places, they put up a wall, no problem,” Trump said outside the White House. “You look at San Antonio, you look at so many different places, they go from one of the most unsafe cities in the country to one of the safest cities, immediately, immediately.
San Antonio is 150 miles from the border, doesn't have a wall...
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/trump-touts...
Yeah, he misspoke and meant San Diego, what of it?“Everybody knows that walls work. You look at different places, they put up a wall, no problem,” Trump said outside the White House. “You look at San Antonio, you look at so many different places, they go from one of the most unsafe cities in the country to one of the safest cities, immediately, immediately.
San Antonio is 150 miles from the border, doesn't have a wall...
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/trump-touts...
I mean San Diego is where they built his wall prototypes, you'd have thought he would have remembered that.
I mean, if he's making claims that just aren't true then it's fair to pull him up on them
"You look at different places, they put up a wall, no problem," Trump said. "You look at San Antonio, you look at so many different places, they go from one of the most unsafe cities in the country to one of the safest, immediately. Immediately. It works. We have to put them up, and we will put them up. We've got to."
Edited by Nealio on Monday 21st January 12:25
Seventy said:
Back O/T how long could a shutdown last?
A good question. Trump was ready to sign off the budget in December until Ann Coulter forced his hand to refuse it and start the shutdown.Now with Kushners attempted resolution that didn't involve the House or Dems, and with his base upset it did trump even less favours.
Coulters certainly not happy with the suggested deal, so that'll be pulled again
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100 miles of border wall in exchange for amnestying millions of illegals. So if we grant citizenship to a BILLION foreigners, maybe we can finally get a full border wall.
Coulters not happy, saying: “Either Trump never intended to build a wall and was scamming voters from the beginning or he hasn’t the first idea in how to get it done and no interest in finding out.” She went on to predict that “his support will evaporate and Trump will very likely not finish his term and definitely not be elected to a second term.” In the end, Coulter declared that without his wall, “Trump will just have been a joke presidency who scammed the American people, amused the populists for a while, but he’ll have no legacy whatsoever.”
Polls are showing that the blame for the shutdown is falling on the GOP and trump
https://www.vox.com/2019/1/13/18180862/shutdown-po...
The pressure needs to be put on Mitch McConnell, the house are still trying to get separate bills through to start departments.
Byker28i said:
"You look at different places, they put up a wall, no problem," Trump said. "You look at San Antonio, you look at so many different places, they go from one of the most unsafe cities in the country to one of the safest, immediately. Immediately. It works. We have to put them up, and we will put them up. We've got to."
The depressing thing is that most, if not all, of his supporters will accept that at face value and ignore any facts to the contrary. And the Dems are never going to win the "Immigration" fight. What this means is that people hate immigrants so much they'll believe anything Trump says as long as it fits in with their view of the World, and that's why they'll vote for him again come 2020."The Running Man" with Big Arnie was on TV a few weeks ago. It's kind of worrying how these fictional dystopian societies seem to becoming more and more real
Countdown said:
The depressing thing is that most, if not all, of his supporters will accept that at face value and ignore any facts to the contrary. And the Dems are never going to win the "Immigration" fight. What this means is that people hate immigrants so much they'll believe anything Trump says as long as it fits in with their view of the World, and that's why they'll vote for him again come 2020.
Sadly you're right. We now have enough knowledge that if it was anyone else, if it was any single crime, then trump would have been indicted already, but the shear scale of the crimes is incredible, which is why it's taking so long. I think when it all comes out, especially his selling out to the russians then his base will desert him. By which time though he will have destroyed the GOP, the NRA etcWe know his campaign team conspired with at least the russians and probaby Saudi, Egypt, UAE, Israel etc to influence the 2016 presidential election.
We know that trump has made policy decisions based on campaign favors, who gave him money. We know he's facing emoluments clause violations as Trump has accepted foreign money through his hotels, where countries such as the United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia have been renting large blocks of rooms at considerable costs, without using them.
We know trump is accused of violating campaign-finance rules, evading taxes, and using federal monies for personal gain. Listed as a co-conspirator to committing a felony by directing campaign payments to the adult-film star Stormy Daniels and the former Playboy Playmate Karen McDougal to keep them quiet about sexual affairs. The New York Times uncovered a long history of corrupt tax practices in which a younger Trump and his father, Fred Trump, attempted to evade their tax obligations through false assessments of properties and other shell games to protect their money. How trump misused the funds of the trump organisation, using it as his personal piggy bank.
Then there's the obstruction, the witness tampering, the years of money laundering...
Byker28i said:
Sadly you're right. We now have enough knowledge that if it was anyone else, if it was any single crime, then trump would have been indicted already, but the shear scale of the crimes is incredible, which is why it's taking so long. I think when it all comes out, especially his selling out to the russians then his base will desert him. By which time though he will have destroyed the GOP, the NRA etc
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Based on what's happened so far I disagree. The man's lies, his hypocrisy and the fact that his behaviour has verged on traitorous has been clear for everybody to see, and yet despite all this his supporters haven't deserted him.<snip>
To assume that will happen is wishful thinking.
Seventy said:
Countdown said:
and yet despite all this his supporters haven't deserted him.
Sorry for the snip.Some of his supporters certainly have deserted him.
The difference between the UK/Oz/Canada/NZ and the US is that voters in the US register their preferred parties. That just seems daft to me as you're essentially saying you're a counted vote and they don't even need to pretend to care about you. At least here, even in a safe seat your party has to at least pretend they care.
Anyway, Trump is dependent on that 10% of Americans who change their vote, as is his opposition... And I'm pretty certain that given the outcome of the mid terms, they have abandoned him.
Boydie88 said:
vonuber said:
Some school kids bussed in to protest about abortion rights and then who choose to also disrupt the march of some 'natives' - to use boyde88's terminology- on their way to honour war dead.
Whilst wearing MAGA hats, with all that connotates.
Blimey Charlie, what a thing to defend.
They were waiting by the Abraham monument for their bus before being targeted by the racist Black Hebrew Israelites and Phillips walking into their group, but ok, fabricate a story that fits your agenda, not hysterical at all. Whilst wearing MAGA hats, with all that connotates.
Blimey Charlie, what a thing to defend.
it's certainly shone a light on the school the kids are from, which is a long way from what i'd expect a Catholic school to be
Two years in office, 8,158 false or misleading claims from Trump.
Trump averaged nearly 5.9 false or misleading claims a day in his first year in office.
He hit nearly 16.5 a day in his second year, almost triple the pace.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/01/21...
Trump averaged nearly 5.9 false or misleading claims a day in his first year in office.
He hit nearly 16.5 a day in his second year, almost triple the pace.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/01/21...
captain_cynic said:
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The difference between the UK/Oz/Canada/NZ and the US is that voters in the US register their preferred parties. That just seems daft to me as you're essentially saying you're a counted vote and they don't even need to pretend to care about you. At least here, even in a safe seat your party has to at least pretend they care....
As I understand it you only have to register your affiliation to vote in the primaries, ie to select your chosen candidate. So it's similar to joining a party in the UK to select MP's/glorious leader. You obviously don't have to register an preference to vote in the actual election.The difference between the UK/Oz/Canada/NZ and the US is that voters in the US register their preferred parties. That just seems daft to me as you're essentially saying you're a counted vote and they don't even need to pretend to care about you. At least here, even in a safe seat your party has to at least pretend they care....
fblm said:
captain_cynic said:
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The difference between the UK/Oz/Canada/NZ and the US is that voters in the US register their preferred parties. That just seems daft to me as you're essentially saying you're a counted vote and they don't even need to pretend to care about you. At least here, even in a safe seat your party has to at least pretend they care....
As I understand it you only have to register your affiliation to vote in the primaries, ie to select your chosen candidate. So it's similar to joining a party in the UK to select MP's/glorious leader. You obviously don't have to register an preference to vote in the actual election.The difference between the UK/Oz/Canada/NZ and the US is that voters in the US register their preferred parties. That just seems daft to me as you're essentially saying you're a counted vote and they don't even need to pretend to care about you. At least here, even in a safe seat your party has to at least pretend they care....
It also makes gerrymandering much easier as you know where your supporters live.
captain_cynic said:
Still, it registers your intention to vote for a specific party. If you're willing to vote in the primary, why would you then vote for the other party?
It also makes gerrymandering much easier as you know where your supporters live.
I had never connected those dots before...It also makes gerrymandering much easier as you know where your supporters live.
captain_cynic said:
Still, it registers your intention to vote for a specific party. If you're willing to vote in the primary, why would you then vote for the other party?
It also makes gerrymandering much easier as you know where your supporters live.
The only reason for registering party is to select your party's candidate, you can vote the other way or not at all if you choose to. AFAICS this is no different to joining a Political Party in the UK to select your candidate, who then know where you live. The only real difference I can see is that voter records are public so both sides know where both sides registered voters are, not just their own.It also makes gerrymandering much easier as you know where your supporters live.
fblm said:
The only reason for registering party is to select your party's candidate, you can vote the other way or not at all if you choose to. AFAICS this is no different to joining a Political Party in the UK to select your candidate, who then know where you live. The only real difference I can see is that voter records are public so both sides know where both sides registered voters are, not just their own.
That's quite a big difference when it comes to it though. Seventy said:
Kamala Harris has announced her candidacy for President.
I like her, if Donald starts mouthing off about her I might have to get on a plane.
Interesting candidateI like her, if Donald starts mouthing off about her I might have to get on a plane.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-4694783...
so then so far that also includes
Former Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Julián Castro of Texas
Rep. Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii
Former Rep. John Delaney of Maryland
Former congressional candidate Richard Ojeda of West Virginia
Businessman Andrew Yang of New York
Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand of New York
Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts
quite a mixed bunch
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