45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 6)

45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 6)

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Eric Mc

106,052 posts

206 months

Wednesday 15th May
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shed driver

821 posts

101 months

Wednesday 15th May
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As others have said, it's a medieval outlook on life. Surely at some time there must be a backlash by the 50% of the population that this affects. I read that Alabama has the lowest proportion of female legislators in the US - maybe it's something that can be fixed by more women coming forward into politics.

If this was a Sharia state putting forward these proposals I'm sure there would be howls for intervention.

Or maybe parts of America are just too broken.

SD.

captain_cynic

4,622 posts

36 months

Wednesday 15th May
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shed driver said:
As others have said, it's a medieval outlook on life. Surely at some time there must be a backlash by the 50% of the population that this affects. I read that Alabama has the lowest proportion of female legislators in the US - maybe it's something that can be fixed by more women coming forward into politics.

If this was a Sharia state putting forward these proposals I'm sure there would be howls for intervention.

Or maybe parts of America are just too broken.

SD.
Americans have described it to me as literally being two different nations. For as urbane as some areas of the US gets, it's equalled by how backwards other parts are. As tourists we tend to go to NY, LA, Florida completely missing the fly-over states.

The problem is, Alabama gets two senators like everywhere else, despite having less people than other states.

This legislation is going to be a test for the supreme court under Trump. If it's not quashed by the SCOTUS it opens the means for other states to start legislating what the state can control, if they do quash it the proponents will claim it's an attack on free speech.

NWTony

2,329 posts

169 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Byker28i said:
Federal Judge Amit Mehta has told trumps lawyers they have forty-eight hours to submit any evidence to make his case about why his financial records shouldn’t be turned over, and then another forty-eight hours after that, the judge is prepared to make a ruling. He's made clear that he doesn’t see any legal precedent for ruling that Donald Trump’s financial records shouldn’t be turned over to Congress on the 18th.
https://twitter.com/CharlieGileNBC/status/11283364...
What the twitter link you post actually said..."Judge Mehta says he will leave the record open until the 18th and that both sides needs to submit evidence by the 16th, if they have any. "This has been fully and exhaustively argued in writing and here today." Hearing is over."

Spin much?

rscott

8,617 posts

132 months

Wednesday 15th May
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NWTony said:
Byker28i said:
Federal Judge Amit Mehta has told trumps lawyers they have forty-eight hours to submit any evidence to make his case about why his financial records shouldn’t be turned over, and then another forty-eight hours after that, the judge is prepared to make a ruling. He's made clear that he doesn’t see any legal precedent for ruling that Donald Trump’s financial records shouldn’t be turned over to Congress on the 18th.
https://twitter.com/CharlieGileNBC/status/11283364...
What the twitter link you post actually said..."Judge Mehta says he will leave the record open until the 18th and that both sides needs to submit evidence by the 16th, if they have any. "This has been fully and exhaustively argued in writing and here today." Hearing is over."

Spin much?
If you read the whole Twitter thread, I think that backs up Byker's comment.

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Byker28i

17,110 posts

158 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Try having a whole read. And then there's this, the documents subpoenaed from Deutsche Bank (by the Intelligence and Financial Services Committees) include the President's tax returns. No wonder he's trying to block them.

http://www.msnbc.com/sites/msnbc/files/s.d.n.y._19...

Challo

4,638 posts

96 months

Wednesday 15th May
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captain_cynic said:
shed driver said:
As others have said, it's a medieval outlook on life. Surely at some time there must be a backlash by the 50% of the population that this affects. I read that Alabama has the lowest proportion of female legislators in the US - maybe it's something that can be fixed by more women coming forward into politics.

If this was a Sharia state putting forward these proposals I'm sure there would be howls for intervention.

Or maybe parts of America are just too broken.

SD.
Americans have described it to me as literally being two different nations. For as urbane as some areas of the US gets, it's equalled by how backwards other parts are. As tourists we tend to go to NY, LA, Florida completely missing the fly-over states.

The problem is, Alabama gets two senators like everywhere else, despite having less people than other states.

This legislation is going to be a test for the supreme court under Trump. If it's not quashed by the SCOTUS it opens the means for other states to start legislating what the state can control, if they do quash it the proponents will claim it's an attack on free speech.
Does this have the potential to start conversations on overturning Rowe vs Wade? With Alabama and other states trying to change abortion laws you get the feeling this is chipping away at it.

Tony33

627 posts

63 months

Wednesday 15th May
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paulguitar

2,357 posts

54 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Challo said:
Does this have the potential to start conversations on overturning Rowe vs Wade?
Yes, I think so, and trump, of course, has his beer-loving judge slotted neatly into the supreme court.

The whole thing really is disturbing. I wonder how many abortions the orange turd has paid for?

Tartan Pixie

1,189 posts

88 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Andrew Yang on Joe Rogan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTsEzmFamZ8

The more I see of Yang the more I like him. Data focused, genuine entrepreneur, eloquent, listens to people and the only politician I'm aware of in the entire democratic world talking 21st century politics. This is the man America needs and if I was in America I'd be out campaigning for him.

The way he talks about automation, taxing the gains of productivity and alternate methods of measuring economic growth you know he's done his reading and actually understands this stuff. It all sounds a bit alien to people but but so does the stuff I ramble on about and if I was to write a manifesto it would look a lot like Yang's.

Earlier in the thread I said that a new form of politics wouldn't be ready for 2020 but by 2024 the whole prospectus would change. I think he knows this too and is happy to be a stalking horse who will put himself forward to get people used to the new ideas.

Tartan Pixie

1,189 posts

88 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Eric Mc said:
Always liked the primus version, video is top notch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9uk9IcoQ0w

Tartan Pixie

1,189 posts

88 months

Wednesday 15th May
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After treating America's allies as 'foes' apparently none of them want anything to do with America's latest middle eastern adventure, who'd a thunk it? Shout out to Major General Chris Ghika of the British Army for apparently having none of it: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/14/world/middleeas...

I may be biased because I have a very low opinion of Pompeo but as world tours go this has not been a success. Federica Mogherini called for 'maximum restraint' which is fairly predictable as an EU response, however Pompeo never even bothered to visit the UK which tells you how much we're now seen as the glue sniffing f'ck up in the corner. Thanks brexit.

Predictable stuff aside there's a couple of interesting results from Pompeo's tour. One is that Iraq is none too pleased, this CNN article is about as positive a spin as can be put on Pompeo's visit and produces no more than diplo-speak for 'we think you're a nutcase but are too polite to say so' while the Iraqi ambassador to Russia is rather less candid. If it is as the ambassador to Russia says and Iraq is going to refuse to let America attack Iran from their soil then that does leave an interesting geographical problem for US armed forces.

Trump's been annoying the Turks so that's Incirlik out as an air base especially as any fracturing of Iran is likely to end up with a Kurdish breakaway region. Not coincidentally Merkel, who happens to lead the country which contains America's largest European airbase, did an interview where she said "Europe must unite to stand up to China, Russia and US".

I don't know how all this is going to play out but it's fair to say that usually when a US secretary of state goes on a charm offensive they are capable of picking up one or two big players. To have unanimously negative reactions is special.

Edited by Tartan Pixie on Wednesday 15th May 23:46

Tartan Pixie

1,189 posts

88 months

Thursday
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RobDickinson said:
Yep that graph shows only 4%, companies have eaten some of the 10 percent short term.

When it goes to 25 percent they won't...
Agree with this, the tariffs are being eaten at both the American and Chinese ends but I've seen so much conflicting information that I'm hesitant to post about it, the situation is clear as mud. One thing I'm certain of is that it will hurt America but it will hurt China more, at least if we're talking GDP. Politically it may be different.

From a Chinese perspective they are trying to transition to an advanced economy which puts them roughly where Britain was in the 70's/80's with huge political costs being incurred for shutting down jobs in heavy industry like steel, mining, etc. These are whole communities who rely on their local steel plant for employment and those employees spending money at shops, cafes, etc.

It's small wonder that China is overproducing steel when you think about how politically difficult it is for a command economy to close those plants down, however you know what would be really useful? An outside enemy to blame for closing them down.

RobDickinson

25,877 posts

195 months

Thursday
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One difference is Chinas leadership doesnt need votes.

Byker28i

17,110 posts

158 months

Thursday
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With talks of another bailout for farmers due to China trade tarrifs, its worth taking a look at how much of the $12bn from the last payout has been made. $8.5bn so far

https://www.axios.com/trump-china-trade-war-us-far...

shed driver

821 posts

101 months

Thursday
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https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/may/15/c...

Presidential pardon after writing a book favourable to Trump. Or am I missing something?

SD.

Byker28i

17,110 posts

158 months

Thursday
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shed driver said:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/may/15/c...

Presidential pardon after writing a book favourable to Trump. Or am I missing something?

SD.
Well, they are old friends, once partners on the Trump Tower Chicago real estate project
https://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20080729/C...

Then one of the felonies that Black went to prison for was obstruction of justice, trump sending a signal again? We know he's offered pardons in the past, to people to not testify or lie for him, but never followed through. He indicated they were available pardoning Sherrif Joe Arpaio at the time he was dangling pardons to Manafort, Flynn, Cohen etc.

We know the redacted Mueller report documents ten instances where Donald Trump committed obstruction of justice.

It's being seen as trump being favourable to old friends. Maybe Black has something on him?

The pardon of Conrad Black, a political ally and longtime associate of Mr. Trump’s, was the latest example of the president using one of the unilateral powers of his office to absolve a high-profile public figure whose case resonates with him personally
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/15/us/politics/tru...

Edited by Byker28i on Thursday 16th May 07:38

MX5Biologist

88 posts

116 months

Thursday
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shed driver said:
As others have said, it's a medieval outlook on life. Surely at some time there must be a backlash by the 50% of the population that this affects. I read that Alabama has the lowest proportion of female legislators in the US - maybe it's something that can be fixed by more women coming forward into politics.

If this was a Sharia state putting forward these proposals I'm sure there would be howls for intervention.

Or maybe parts of America are just too broken.

SD.
Alabama joins Poland and Malta in having similar laws. Alabama had a Referendum on this last year, and it was backed overwhelmingly by both genders, of all educational backgrounds. Poland was another country that reversed abortion laws, and that was done over 20 years ago. But where are the descriptions of Poland being a backward "medieval" society. And there is no evidence that the Maltese particularly want to change their law. Even amongst college students, its a fairly solid majority against a change:
https://lovinmalta.com/news/large-chunk-of-univers...
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Plus, you should remember. its easier to get an abortion in Mozambique, North Korea, China and Vietnam, than the UK. So maybe, in this respect, we ought not cast stones.

Byker28i

17,110 posts

158 months

Thursday
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John Weaver, the top strategist for Republican John Kasich’s 2016 campaign, has registered as a foreign agent to lobby against potential sanctions on Russia. The six-month contract is worth $350,000.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/15/lobbying...

The sanctions relief effort by the russians is still ongoing and a high priority for them. Interesting that people are now finally registering as foreign agents after several of team trump were prosecuted.

Byker28i

17,110 posts

158 months

Thursday
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It was an Oprah-worthy moment: President Donald Trump stood before a Louisiana crowd at an official taxpayer-funded event and tossed out an enticing promise. “If we win this election, which is just 16 months away, we’re giving you a brand new I-10 bridge.”

Trump’s commitment during a visit to a liquefied natural gas export facility on Tuesday drew cheers from his audience. But it generated immediate criticism from ethics experts who have already sounded alarms about Trump’s apparent willingness to put the federal bureaucracy to work for his own political gain.

https://apnews.com/61cd9f7f6b884efbba360b1590ef17b...
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