45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 6)

[RobDickinson]

p1stonhead said:

I can only assume he hopes Trump does? Or pardons him even.

Trump won't even pay for his own defence.

[Byker28i]

Countdown said:

walm said:

Countdown said:

And yet, despite all that, his numbers are as high as they have ever been.

I wanted to disagree with that assertion but then I found this: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approva...
Which shows he is on 42% approve vs around 44% when he took office.
WTjudderingF?

Rasmussen has him at 50%. (IIRC Rasmussen was the most accurate pollster in 2016.)

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/cur...

His current approval rating is higher than Obama's.

And yet, looking at other polls, how trump would fare against Democrat oponents, he comes out poorly
Biden 53%, Trump 41%
Sanders 51%, Trump 41%
Harris 48%, Trump 41%
O’Rourke 47%, Trump 41%
Warren 48%, Trump 42%
Booker 47%, Trump 42%
Gillibrand 47%, Trump 42%

https://www.publicpolicypolling.com/polls/trump-po...

hence why those probable russian assisted states, Winsconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan and those very few extra votes, gave him the Presidency...
It's no wonder hes taken money away from election fraud funds, not that anys been spent....

[Byker28i]

Stones just deleted the original and posted a new one that cropped out the crosshairs.

AMI: “We couldn’t last three months into a three-year immunity agreement precluding ‘illegal activity’.”

Manafort: “Oh yeah? Well, I deliberately lied—breaking my plea deal—so I’m going to jail for years.”

Stone: “Hold my beer. And my Harry Potter glasses.”

[p1stonhead]

Byker28i said:

Stones just deleted the original and posted a new one that cropped out the crosshairs.

His lawyer probably had an aneurism when he saw the original.

[Byker28i]

[Byker28i]

p1stonhead said:

Byker28i said:

Stones just deleted the original and posted a new one that cropped out the crosshairs.

His lawyer probably had an aneurism when he saw the original.

The crosshairs was bad enough, but he wrote underneath
“Through legal trickery Deep State hitman Robert Mueller has guaranteed that my upcoming show trial is before Judge Amy Berman Jackson , an Obama appointed Judge who dismissed the Benghazi charges again [sic] Hillary Clinton and incarcerated Paul Manafort prior to his conviction for any crime.”

He's toned down the text as well as cropping the image

Edited by Byker28i on Monday 18th February 20:39

[Byker28i]

There was election fraud and vote rigging, but it was by the GOP.

The North Carolina State Board of Elections says they have evidence that those working for Republican candidate Mark Harris paid people to falsify signatures on absentee ballots in the 2018 Congressional election

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-governm...

[Kinky]

p1stonhead said:

A bold move I give him that!

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/stone-posted-pi...

It's now been removed!!!!!

[minimoog]

IanH755 said:

And there ladies and gents is the echo chamber. You are utterly convinced that your singular view of Trump is the only view that can be right, yet Trumps approval keeps rising so that means that you're wrong compared to the voting Americans who actually matter.

You clearly love the sight of your own writing, but I'm afraid you're only impressing yourself. Pretty much all of us, with very few exceptions, have been saying for some time that absolutely nothing about this stshow of a presidency is guaranteed, or going to go to plan - anybody's - and least of all that Trump is going to be marched from the WH in cuffs or whatever fantasy those who haven't been paying attention might nurture.

The fact that he's he's still there now is enough for anyone with half a brain to realise that 'checks and balances' is a mirage in today's USA; and as for putting all one's store on Mueller playing the White Knight and charging in to save the day - sorry, the country - well good luck with that. He'll deliver the facts, one way or another, but only a fool or the sunniest of optimists would bet more than evens on them being used to set the US back on a democratic, constitutional course, free to decide its own fate without malign foreign interference.

Edited by minimoog on Monday 18th February 21:59

[_dobbo_]

minimoog said:

as for putting all one's store on Mueller playing the White Knight and charging in to save the day - sorry, the country - well good luck with that. He'll deliver the facts, one way or another, but only a fool or the sunniest of optimists would bet more than evens on them being used to set the US back on a democratic, constitutional course, free to decide its own fate without malign foreign interference.

Well now, that's depressing as fk and also probably 100% accurate.

[Tartan Pixie]

Countdown said:

Admittedly I'm a pessimist but just look at the numbers.

His behaviour over the last 4 years hasn't changed, His presidency has been the exact shower of st that many many people predicted. He continues to behave on the international stage like a 13 year old girl. He's openly criticised many parts of the US security apparatus, something that would have been considered treasonous under any previous regime. And yet, despite all that, his numbers are as high as they have ever been.

In terms of 2020. he has got a clear single unifying message that a LOT of US voters care about. It's immigration. regardless of how completely stupid the wall is, he knows it rouses his core into a frenzy. it really doesn't matter if everything else he says is rubbish and that he spouts something like 10 lies every day. There isn't (yet) either a candidate or a USP for his opponents to rally around.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing again and expecting a different result. That's the path that the Dems seem to be heading down.

And, FWIW, if and when the Dems choose somebody to lead them, I guarantee that Trump will make up some unbelievable lie that ends up taking the whole focus away from any manifesto policies. Like the one about ted Cruz's dad assassinating somebody. When your voters are that stupid you cannot present a sane counter argument.

IMO the immigration debate is overblown, I'll believe that people outside of his base are voting for Trump's immigration policies if they keep voting for him after the next recession hits. The people who are anti immigration have got themselves a large chunk of the limelight making their views more socially acceptable but that is a symptom not a cause. For a cause I give you exhibit A:



The graph's for England but you'll find similar symptoms of declining living standards across the west and it is a function of all democracies that any party who lets living standards decline gets voted out of power. This is the fundamental basis of why democracy has for so long been the least worst system of government, because it's nigh on impossible to implement tyrannical rule without screwing the economy.

Ardent supporters of the left and right seem to miss this every time their faction gets in to power, that self interest wins over political ideology every single time. We see this in the propaganda used by both sides, immigrants are 'stealing your jobs', conservatives are out to 'destroy the poor' etc, etc. For all that people talk about immigration or power to the people or whatever today's phrase may be it is always couched in terms of {X political party} + {will protect you from Y threat} = {Will protect you the voter's self interest}.

The thing the propagandists are appealing to is the voter's self interest but from a propaganda point of view this has a vital flaw, that self interest is the one thing that people can objectively measure for themselves so if you lie to people then it will come to bite you on the the arse.

This is not just true for Trump but is why we have got Trump in the first place. Democrat, republican, tory or labour they have all stood there telling us barefaced lies about how they will make our lives better without ever touching the one thing that is driving all this political turbulence, the wage productivity gap. It is at the end of the day quite simple, {declining living standards = vote our of power} therefore {if all major political parties = declining living standards and there is no political option other than wingnuts then lets give the wingnut a twirl}.

When you think about it this is actually quite a good system because in a world of media spin and propaganda people's self interest is a solid data point that can not be massaged by press barons, therefore when Trump fails economically (which he will because he's not addressed the underlying problem in the economy) his propaganda will be exposed. This is why I have said repeatedly that Trump should not be impeached before the next recession, to do so would deny democracy it's basic function of exposing an ideologue as bad for the self interest of the individual.

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Regarding the dems I've said similar to yourself often enough but I have to say the fact that Trump appears to have made enemies of Bloomberg and Bezos has cheered me up no end. Andrew Yang who's been out there testing the ground with new forms of politics and Cortez's 'if I were a bad man' performance are right on the button for sorting the problems with democracy. IMO Bloomberg will be making a difference here simply by his presence, the fact that he a threatened to run in the primaries will be concentrating minds in the dem camp no end.

[Tartan Pixie]

Good blog post about cost disease: https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/02/09/consideratio...

It's essentially the wage productivity disconnect but viewed from a slightly different angle.

[Tartan Pixie]

[TTmonkey]

Kinky said:

p1stonhead said:

A bold move I give him that!

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/stone-posted-pi...

It's now been removed!!!!!

But... those are not crosshairs, they are registration marks from a printing plate.

Just saying.

[karona]

TTmonkey said:

But... those are not crosshairs, they are registration marks from a printing plate.

Just saying.

Bzzzzt, Incorrect.
According to the WAPO, anyway
“What some say are crosshairs are in fact the logo of the organization that originally posted it — something called corruption central,” Stone told The Post. “They use the logo in many photos.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/02/18...

The original photo that Stone copy/pasted

[Byker28i]

Stones lawyers got Stone to write a brief apology to the court for his post
https://mobile.twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1097...

[Byker28i]

Reuters: U.S. Deputy General Rod Rosenstein is expected to step down in mid March - justice department official

[Byker28i]

A coalition of 16 states has filed a federal lawsuit claiming that Trump's emergency declaration is unconstitutional
The states participating in the lawsuit:
California
Colorado
Connecticut
Delaware
Hawaii
Illinois
Maine
Maryland
Michigan
Minnesota
Nevada
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York
Oregon
Virginia

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/politi...

[Byker28i]

On Page 30 of the lawsuit against Trump's emergency declaration is Trump's line from Friday, "I didn't need to do this"

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5743648-Co...

[p1stonhead]

Byker28i said:

Stones lawyers got Stone to write a brief apology to the court for his post
https://mobile.twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1097...

'no intention of disrespecting the court'?!

You wrote a whole tin foil hat piece man!