Yellow vests - fuel protest day of action in France

Yellow vests - fuel protest day of action in France

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RichB

51,431 posts

283 months

Tuesday 11th December 2018
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Hammer67 said:
Drove from Calais to Paris and back today.

French TV on the ferry over was predicting "Black Tuesday" of protests.

Went deep into the city centre, around the Arc de Triomphe etc.

Never saw anything untoward. No yellow vests, no signs of riot damage, nowt.

All appeared perfectly normal.
Quite a drive... Just for fun?

Wobbegong

15,077 posts

168 months

Tuesday 11th December 2018
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Reports of a shooting in Strasbourg. Guessing this will mean a ban on protests?

Hammer67

5,706 posts

183 months

Tuesday 11th December 2018
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RichB said:
Hammer67 said:
Drove from Calais to Paris and back today.

French TV on the ferry over was predicting "Black Tuesday" of protests.

Went deep into the city centre, around the Arc de Triomphe etc.

Never saw anything untoward. No yellow vests, no signs of riot damage, nowt.

All appeared perfectly normal.
Quite a drive... Just for fun?
No, a favour/job for a lovely old chap who I've done various jobs for previously.

Took a load of smoked salmon across and brought a load of wine back.

Was a good trip, no traffic grief and was treated to a fab lunch in a Paris restaurant.

B'stard Child

28,322 posts

245 months

Tuesday 11th December 2018
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Rovinghawk said:
B'stard Child said:
Except that's not all of it every country making up the 500m still has it's own layer of cake as well

If the EU ran everything and we had just the equivalent of local councils in the UK I'd be OK with that.

But we don't we have a heap of government here and a heap over there and we do not need both
I understand your argument but disagree as to which layer needs removal- the EU is unaccountable & totally at odds with our wishes so my preferred target for extinction.
I agree with you - one or the other hence my vote to leave but I'm all in or not in at all - If we stay in the EU then make a proper job of it not frustrate and hold up with veto's and opt outs that stop the process moving publicly and drive it to a stealthy approach - that's just bad for everyone

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 12th December 2018
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Don't know if most missed this, but the ECJ ruled yesterday that the ECB QE program they have been pumping since 2010 is legal. laugh

B'stard Child

28,322 posts

245 months

Wednesday 12th December 2018
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jsf said:
Don't know if most missed this, but the ECJ ruled yesterday that the ECB QE program they have been pumping since 2010 is legal. laugh
They took advice from Christine Lagarde (IMF) she was very clear it was all above board and nothing illegal

A well respected ex finance minister of a G8 country with an unblemished record biggrin

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 12th December 2018
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Balmoral said:
B'stard Child said:
If the EU ran everything and we had just the equivalent of local councils in the UK I'd be OK with that.
That's where it's going, it's refreshing to hear somone who understands that and is happy to say they're up for it too.

Countries will only exist in a historical cultural context, there will be no Nation States with their own governments. That is the point of the EU, it is what it is for, that's how you end war, by removing the National interest, and you do that by removing the Nation States themselves, that's the next half of the plan and this comes when members are so dependant they've gone past the point of no return and cannot escape even if they want to. Meanwhile everyone and their dog focuses on the infinitessimally trivial issue (in comparison) of a short term economic shock.
It used to be the USSR V USA/Western Europe.
USSR disintegrated when it became too big and remote.
We are now heading for a USA V EU V China world as the EU heads towards a political block and China gains real wealth/power.

Big conglomerates always fail eventually as they become too big and remote. USA is pretty much at the limit of what's achievable, EU is going to fall on its arse because the people, politics and economies are just too diverse to centrally manage. China will have a civil war when the rich get sick of the central planners.

It has always been so. How the above actually happens you won't be able to predict because we never can work out how chaos works out of the system.

You get long periods of a certain path being followed because you get entrainment in a system, but when something small disturbs that entrainment, the whole bloody lot goes tits up.

All it takes is one component of the entrained system to fail and it has a knock on effect that is catastrophic for the whole system. The entrainment of metronomes is a great illustration of this, where the system is made up of individual metronomes, the plank that ties them together and the cylinder they all harmonise their harmonics through. You can choose what is the metronome, what is the plank and what is the cylinder in the 3 big political blocks.

https://youtu.be/Aaxw4zbULMs

Big systems simply don't work long term, its built into nature to always have events that cause a break in any systems entrainment.




PorkRind

3,053 posts

204 months

Wednesday 12th December 2018
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Einion Yrth said:
Not if they own diesel vehicles.
Tractors

Vanden Saab

13,891 posts

73 months

Wednesday 12th December 2018
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toppstuff said:
rdjohn said:
If the UK stays, I think after the May elections then Farage could find himself in the centre-right of EU politics.

Times - they are a changin’. And not for the better.
Nope. He has not been voted into any position to represent anyone in any political party. He's tried to get elected as an MP multiple times but failed.
rofl how can you get so much wrong into one short post...

Digga

40,206 posts

282 months

Wednesday 12th December 2018
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B'stard Child said:
jsf said:
Don't know if most missed this, but the ECJ ruled yesterday that the ECB QE program they have been pumping since 2010 is legal. laugh
They took advice from Christine Lagarde (IMF) she was very clear it was all above board and nothing illegal

A well respected ex finance minister of a G8 country with an unblemished record biggrin
Never worked for Goldman Sachs (who came in for heavy criticism over their part in the Greek entry to the EU) at all, ever. Nothing to see here. Move on.

loafer123

15,404 posts

214 months

Thursday 13th December 2018
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Zulu 10 said:
Have just driven down from Channel Tunnel to the Dordogne via Rouen, Evreux, Dreux, Chartres, and there was a serious gilet jaune presence at almost every roundabout on the N154.

For those who know the ‘Buffalo Grill roundabout’ at Rouen on the way out past the railway yards, that had been reduced to one lane in each direction by pallet barriers, with the inevitable resulting queues, and there were piles of burning pallets and tyres on the central reservation of each entrance to the roundabout.

The same was true of all subsequent roundabouts – most notable being Nonancourt where not only were there the piles of burning tyres and pallets, but there were also shanty huts made of pallets with tarps over them, in which the protesters could shelter from the cold.

At Dreux there was the typically French scene of a family sitting down to their picnic supper complete with wine, albeit on a makeshift table in front of a pallet/tarp hut and a pile of burning pallets.

Judging by the number of protesters who were out late into a bitterly cold December night, I don’t think this is over yet.

Edited by Zulu 10 on Thursday 13th December 03:48
I know the route well - thanks for the report - if they are enduring the cold in the most miserable bit of Rouen, Macron really does have a problem on his hands.

Puggit

48,355 posts

247 months

Thursday 13th December 2018
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Ahhhh, the Buffalo Grill roundabout. They're quite open to letting you use their toilets in there wink

dasigty

587 posts

80 months

Thursday 13th December 2018
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Fittster said:
Why must it be? There are plenty of people who are happy with an autocratic government. The Chinese are happy with a one party state which has done far more to lift millions out of poverty. India is a democracy but it hasn't made anywhere near the strides of China to improve the life of its citizens.

People care more about their financial well being than the type of state they are living in. In Europe the Greeks decided they were better off keeping the Euro than anything else.

When it comes to Brexit is was those who have little interest in the future of the economy made up a large section of leave support (i.e. those living on state benefits),

Edited by Fittster on Tuesday 11th December 10:38
Its not often I genuinely have to question someones sanity, but you are so far off the scale its beyond belief if you think the Chinese are "Happy" with a one party state. Newsflash, if they suspect you are not "Happy" they kill you.

The Greeks did not decide they were "Better off keeping the euro", they were FORCED to remain and accept yet more debt to keep the interest payments flowing to the EU banks.

As to you assigning the brexit vote to those who have little interest in the future of the economy, that is evidence of you being deluded enough to think you know better than 52% of the voters, and are little more than an arrogant money grubber who has no concept of what the word principle means.


Earthdweller

Original Poster:

13,432 posts

125 months

Thursday 20th December 2018
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Blue Vests !

In the latest twist the French Police have threatened to work to rule and “go slow” in protest against pay and conditions

Macron, in an attempt to buy them off has announced €150 per month pay rises for them

How that fits with Macron’s fiscal planning who knows !

pomodori

4,404 posts

78 months

Saturday 22nd December 2018
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Is this protest still going ?
It wouldn't surprise me.
I was looking at a route to somewhere in Belgium and there's a 90+ minute delay on the
A16 just outside Calais.
Thanks for any info.

Wobbegong

15,077 posts

168 months

Saturday 22nd December 2018
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pomodori said:
Is this protest still going ?
It wouldn't surprise me.
I was looking at a route to somewhere in Belgium and there's a 90+ minute delay on the
A16 just outside Calais.
Thanks for any info.
It is, however they stated a couple of weeks back that they’d scale it back over Christmas so that they don’t disrupt people during the festive period.

pomodori

4,404 posts

78 months

Saturday 22nd December 2018
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Wobbegong said:
It is, however they stated a couple of weeks back that they’d scale it back over Christmas so that they don’t disrupt people during the festive period.
Thanks,I'm looking to travel mid January but not going if I going to get caught up in any protest.
It would be a day trip so not got hours to waste going nowhere.

smifffymoto

4,527 posts

204 months

Saturday 5th January 2019
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Well today was another eventful day in Bordeaux.My daughter decided to return,ready for school on Monday.She arrived at the station to find no buses or trams running,thousands of protestors and nearly as many police. Tonight the tally ,so far,is 4 burnt out cars,a few cash machines smashed and God knows how many bins set alight.
This protest is not slowing down in the cities,no matter what the media say.

dasigty

587 posts

80 months

Sunday 6th January 2019
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The MSM silence on this situation tells its own story, its not going away any time soon by the look of it either.

Coming to a town near you...SOON ;0)

dudleybloke

19,717 posts

185 months

Sunday 6th January 2019
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There's been sporadic outbreaks in London including a 13yr old girl being arrested for assaulting a police officer, and there was supposed to be a protest in Birmingham today but I've not heard much about it.