Yellow vests - fuel protest day of action in France
Discussion
Hammer67 said:
Drove from Calais to Paris and back today.
French TV on the ferry over was predicting "Black Tuesday" of protests.
Went deep into the city centre, around the Arc de Triomphe etc.
Never saw anything untoward. No yellow vests, no signs of riot damage, nowt.
All appeared perfectly normal.
Quite a drive... Just for fun? French TV on the ferry over was predicting "Black Tuesday" of protests.
Went deep into the city centre, around the Arc de Triomphe etc.
Never saw anything untoward. No yellow vests, no signs of riot damage, nowt.
All appeared perfectly normal.
RichB said:
Hammer67 said:
Drove from Calais to Paris and back today.
French TV on the ferry over was predicting "Black Tuesday" of protests.
Went deep into the city centre, around the Arc de Triomphe etc.
Never saw anything untoward. No yellow vests, no signs of riot damage, nowt.
All appeared perfectly normal.
Quite a drive... Just for fun? French TV on the ferry over was predicting "Black Tuesday" of protests.
Went deep into the city centre, around the Arc de Triomphe etc.
Never saw anything untoward. No yellow vests, no signs of riot damage, nowt.
All appeared perfectly normal.
Took a load of smoked salmon across and brought a load of wine back.
Was a good trip, no traffic grief and was treated to a fab lunch in a Paris restaurant.
Rovinghawk said:
B'stard Child said:
Except that's not all of it every country making up the 500m still has it's own layer of cake as well
If the EU ran everything and we had just the equivalent of local councils in the UK I'd be OK with that.
But we don't we have a heap of government here and a heap over there and we do not need both
I understand your argument but disagree as to which layer needs removal- the EU is unaccountable & totally at odds with our wishes so my preferred target for extinction.If the EU ran everything and we had just the equivalent of local councils in the UK I'd be OK with that.
But we don't we have a heap of government here and a heap over there and we do not need both
jsf said:
Don't know if most missed this, but the ECJ ruled yesterday that the ECB QE program they have been pumping since 2010 is legal.
They took advice from Christine Lagarde (IMF) she was very clear it was all above board and nothing illegalA well respected ex finance minister of a G8 country with an unblemished record
Balmoral said:
B'stard Child said:
If the EU ran everything and we had just the equivalent of local councils in the UK I'd be OK with that.
That's where it's going, it's refreshing to hear somone who understands that and is happy to say they're up for it too.Countries will only exist in a historical cultural context, there will be no Nation States with their own governments. That is the point of the EU, it is what it is for, that's how you end war, by removing the National interest, and you do that by removing the Nation States themselves, that's the next half of the plan and this comes when members are so dependant they've gone past the point of no return and cannot escape even if they want to. Meanwhile everyone and their dog focuses on the infinitessimally trivial issue (in comparison) of a short term economic shock.
USSR disintegrated when it became too big and remote.
We are now heading for a USA V EU V China world as the EU heads towards a political block and China gains real wealth/power.
Big conglomerates always fail eventually as they become too big and remote. USA is pretty much at the limit of what's achievable, EU is going to fall on its arse because the people, politics and economies are just too diverse to centrally manage. China will have a civil war when the rich get sick of the central planners.
It has always been so. How the above actually happens you won't be able to predict because we never can work out how chaos works out of the system.
You get long periods of a certain path being followed because you get entrainment in a system, but when something small disturbs that entrainment, the whole bloody lot goes tits up.
All it takes is one component of the entrained system to fail and it has a knock on effect that is catastrophic for the whole system. The entrainment of metronomes is a great illustration of this, where the system is made up of individual metronomes, the plank that ties them together and the cylinder they all harmonise their harmonics through. You can choose what is the metronome, what is the plank and what is the cylinder in the 3 big political blocks.
https://youtu.be/Aaxw4zbULMs
Big systems simply don't work long term, its built into nature to always have events that cause a break in any systems entrainment.
toppstuff said:
rdjohn said:
If the UK stays, I think after the May elections then Farage could find himself in the centre-right of EU politics.
Times - they are a changin’. And not for the better.
Nope. He has not been voted into any position to represent anyone in any political party. He's tried to get elected as an MP multiple times but failed.Times - they are a changin’. And not for the better.
B'stard Child said:
jsf said:
Don't know if most missed this, but the ECJ ruled yesterday that the ECB QE program they have been pumping since 2010 is legal.
They took advice from Christine Lagarde (IMF) she was very clear it was all above board and nothing illegalA well respected ex finance minister of a G8 country with an unblemished record
Zulu 10 said:
Have just driven down from Channel Tunnel to the Dordogne via Rouen, Evreux, Dreux, Chartres, and there was a serious gilet jaune presence at almost every roundabout on the N154.
For those who know the ‘Buffalo Grill roundabout’ at Rouen on the way out past the railway yards, that had been reduced to one lane in each direction by pallet barriers, with the inevitable resulting queues, and there were piles of burning pallets and tyres on the central reservation of each entrance to the roundabout.
The same was true of all subsequent roundabouts – most notable being Nonancourt where not only were there the piles of burning tyres and pallets, but there were also shanty huts made of pallets with tarps over them, in which the protesters could shelter from the cold.
At Dreux there was the typically French scene of a family sitting down to their picnic supper complete with wine, albeit on a makeshift table in front of a pallet/tarp hut and a pile of burning pallets.
Judging by the number of protesters who were out late into a bitterly cold December night, I don’t think this is over yet.
I know the route well - thanks for the report - if they are enduring the cold in the most miserable bit of Rouen, Macron really does have a problem on his hands.For those who know the ‘Buffalo Grill roundabout’ at Rouen on the way out past the railway yards, that had been reduced to one lane in each direction by pallet barriers, with the inevitable resulting queues, and there were piles of burning pallets and tyres on the central reservation of each entrance to the roundabout.
The same was true of all subsequent roundabouts – most notable being Nonancourt where not only were there the piles of burning tyres and pallets, but there were also shanty huts made of pallets with tarps over them, in which the protesters could shelter from the cold.
At Dreux there was the typically French scene of a family sitting down to their picnic supper complete with wine, albeit on a makeshift table in front of a pallet/tarp hut and a pile of burning pallets.
Judging by the number of protesters who were out late into a bitterly cold December night, I don’t think this is over yet.
Edited by Zulu 10 on Thursday 13th December 03:48
Fittster said:
Why must it be? There are plenty of people who are happy with an autocratic government. The Chinese are happy with a one party state which has done far more to lift millions out of poverty. India is a democracy but it hasn't made anywhere near the strides of China to improve the life of its citizens.
People care more about their financial well being than the type of state they are living in. In Europe the Greeks decided they were better off keeping the Euro than anything else.
When it comes to Brexit is was those who have little interest in the future of the economy made up a large section of leave support (i.e. those living on state benefits),
Its not often I genuinely have to question someones sanity, but you are so far off the scale its beyond belief if you think the Chinese are "Happy" with a one party state. Newsflash, if they suspect you are not "Happy" they kill you.People care more about their financial well being than the type of state they are living in. In Europe the Greeks decided they were better off keeping the Euro than anything else.
When it comes to Brexit is was those who have little interest in the future of the economy made up a large section of leave support (i.e. those living on state benefits),
Edited by Fittster on Tuesday 11th December 10:38
The Greeks did not decide they were "Better off keeping the euro", they were FORCED to remain and accept yet more debt to keep the interest payments flowing to the EU banks.
As to you assigning the brexit vote to those who have little interest in the future of the economy, that is evidence of you being deluded enough to think you know better than 52% of the voters, and are little more than an arrogant money grubber who has no concept of what the word principle means.
pomodori said:
Is this protest still going ?
It wouldn't surprise me.
I was looking at a route to somewhere in Belgium and there's a 90+ minute delay on the
A16 just outside Calais.
Thanks for any info.
It is, however they stated a couple of weeks back that they’d scale it back over Christmas so that they don’t disrupt people during the festive period. It wouldn't surprise me.
I was looking at a route to somewhere in Belgium and there's a 90+ minute delay on the
A16 just outside Calais.
Thanks for any info.
Wobbegong said:
It is, however they stated a couple of weeks back that they’d scale it back over Christmas so that they don’t disrupt people during the festive period.
Thanks,I'm looking to travel mid January but not going if I going to get caught up in any protest.It would be a day trip so not got hours to waste going nowhere.
Well today was another eventful day in Bordeaux.My daughter decided to return,ready for school on Monday.She arrived at the station to find no buses or trams running,thousands of protestors and nearly as many police. Tonight the tally ,so far,is 4 burnt out cars,a few cash machines smashed and God knows how many bins set alight.
This protest is not slowing down in the cities,no matter what the media say.
This protest is not slowing down in the cities,no matter what the media say.
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