Yellow vests - fuel protest day of action in France

Yellow vests - fuel protest day of action in France

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TVRJAS

2,375 posts

67 months

Monday 21st January
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Bill said:
Amusing he's used a photo from 2016 to (fail to) make his point...
We seriously are dealing with the blind here.... Not his photo and read the story. But did one photo tell you all you need to know. Keep going you might learn something.

I spend 12-15 most days searching news... You? 20 mins Gardian/Independent and 30 mins of bbc tv...

gizlaroc

11,896 posts

162 months

Monday 21st January
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tangerine_sedge said:
Finally, why the attack on hipsters? Probably for the same reason that the acid house scene, punks, skinheads, Mods & rockers and Teddy boys were attacked, i.e. attacked by fat bald middle aged people who have forgotten what it's like to be young and how to have fun.
Did you read the article?

TVRJAS

2,375 posts

67 months

Monday 21st January
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gizlaroc said:
tangerine_sedge said:
Finally, why the attack on hipsters? Probably for the same reason that the acid house scene, punks, skinheads, Mods & rockers and Teddy boys were attacked, i.e. attacked by fat bald middle aged people who have forgotten what it's like to be young and how to have fun.
Did you read the article?
He couldn't read it from the big high horse he sits on so his Secretary will read through it then pass it on to his advisory.

wc98

6,921 posts

78 months

Monday 21st January
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Frank7 said:
Whether they’re Gendarmerie or CRS, you’d better have a high pain tolerance if you’re going to wade in there shouting, “ARRÊTEZ, ARRÊTEZ, C’EST SUFFIT!, or C’EST ASSEZ!
seeing that would get me angry enough to be stupid enough. you don't feel the pain til long after the event. had a brick over the head, a bit of 4x2 swung at full lick by a bloke about 6ft 3 and boot prints that lasted over a week on my ribs and forehead so i know during the event pain is the least concerning thing. to be fair at the age i am now i doubt the recovery would be so quick though biggrin

wc98

6,921 posts

78 months

Monday 21st January
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TVRJAS said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
You're completely paranoid. As I mentioned to your mate, TVR, a couple of weeks ago, very little continues to happen since Christmas with the yellow vests.

I was over at Chamonix this weekend, and the peage was open again due to the yellow vests, and they were also near the entrance to the Mont Blanc tunnel handing out leaflets.

All very benign. No riots. No problems.
Come back to me when you've got through this lot. Last weekend he was live on the street Paris. Keep scrolling to the week before then lets have a chat.

https://twitter.com/sotiridi Warning graphic images from Oh so quiet France.
you do realise france is a bloody big place , yes ? outside of the cities i doubt many notice much going on,particularly as it appears it is people from outside the cities travelling to them to protest.
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Bill

38,327 posts

193 months

Monday 21st January
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TVRJAS said:
We seriously are dealing with the blind here.... Not his photo and read the story. But did one photo tell you all you need to know. Keep going you might learn something.
It undermines his credibility just a tad, don't you think?

TVRJAS

2,375 posts

67 months

Monday 21st January
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Bill said:
It undermines his credibility just a tad, don't you think?
Where he says "True there are some false pics floating around"

Have you scrolled down to the previous week yet? Or did you rub your eyes after seeing yellow vests in Australia... Bet that was a surprise for you.

So i presume if we are talking credibility you don't search MSM then.

Just to make it clear that's Australia where the kangaroos are from not the one with Vienna.








Edited by TVRJAS on Monday 21st January 19:34

Earthdweller

Original Poster:

1,234 posts

64 months

Monday 21st January
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Well I hope they resolve it before they get to week 36 of protests

I have a lovely holiday booked in France for July

EddieSteadyGo

3,189 posts

141 months

Monday 21st January
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TVRJAS said:
We seriously are dealing with the blind here.... Not his photo and read the story. But did one photo tell you all you need to know. Keep going you might learn something.
You're being obtuse TVR. If we were talking about somewhere hard to get to like Iraq or Syria, we might need to rely on third party reports.

But we aren't. You get get to France for a £50 ticket on Eurotunnel. So there isn't the same need to listen to people pushing their own agenda on Twitter.

As I keep saying; get in your TVR. Drive a short distance. Report back what you see. Please stop quoting people until you can be bothered to look for yourself.

Then you will realise who is eating the bullst...

Helicopter123

5,060 posts

94 months

Monday 21st January
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tangerine_sedge said:
Who are these "elites" that you and many other posters refer to? Are they a secret organisation that meet regularly to plot the downfall of the working class? You couldn't just be referring to elected members of parliament could you?

Many posters on this thread seem to desparately want the yellow vest movement to be something more than it is. It is of little interest within the UK, hence little coverage in the MSM. It doesn't seem to have an impact on most French people, see comments from PH members who are in France. Few people seem outraged that the French police are acting like the French police always have, i.e. going in strong.

Finally, why the attack on hipsters? Probably for the same reason that the acid house scene, punks, skinheads, Mods & rockers and Teddy boys were attacked, i.e. attacked by fat bald middle aged people who have forgotten what it's like to be young and how to have fun.
Good post

Henners

9,503 posts

132 months

Monday 21st January
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I haven’t been paying much attention to where all the ruckus has been across France, but I’m at the Avenue des Champs-Élysées this week and its pretty quiet.

gizlaroc

11,896 posts

162 months

Monday 21st January
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Henners said:
I haven’t been paying much attention to where all the ruckus has been across France, but I’m at the Avenue des Champs-Élysées this week and its pretty quiet.
Saturday?

gizlaroc

11,896 posts

162 months

Monday 21st January
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Helicopter123 said:
Good post
No it's not.

It is real issue there, they are protesting and rioting in the streets to get Macron to change policy, which he is doing.

The article I posted explains why it is happening and if you think there is not and elite class who do not understand what is happening outside the cities they live in you are either purposefully dismissing the issue or one of them.

The hipster thing is spot on, hipster in the way many city dwellers now live their life as if they are some hippy from the 60s who has nothing but love for everyone yet dismiss those who are genuinely suffering because of the way capitalism and globalism is taking over as some sort of bigot/racist/xenophobe.

It is very similar to what we have here with Brexit.

You may even recognise yourself a bit in there Budgie.

TVRJAS

2,375 posts

67 months

Tuesday 22nd January
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EddieSteadyGo said:
You're being obtuse TVR. ...
Oh the Irony...

So you obviously didn't look at https://twitter.com/sotiridi ... Why would I jump in a car when that journalist covers all over France and the other countries as does YT and the 1,000 of other info that can be obtained. Don't suppose you will see many yellow vests up the top of mountains or at the chateau or when you read your bbc.

The storm is coming Q



Edited by TVRJAS on Tuesday 22 January 01:38

wisbech

701 posts

59 months

Tuesday 22nd January
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gizlaroc said:
It is real issue there, they are protesting and rioting in the streets to get Macron to change policy, which he is doing.

The article I posted explains why it is happening and if you think there is not and elite class who do not understand what is happening outside the cities they live in you are either purposefully dismissing the issue or one of them.

The hipster thing is spot on, hipster in the way many city dwellers now live their life as if they are some hippy from the 60s who has nothing but love for everyone yet dismiss those who are genuinely suffering because of the way capitalism and globalism is taking over as some sort of bigot/racist/xenophobe.

It is very similar to what we have here with Brexit.

You may even recognise yourself a bit in there Budgie.
However, globalism and capitalism have been hugely beneficial overall. Living standards in China, Indonesia, India etc have jumped over the last 30-40 years - more people have left poverty (true poverty) behind in this generation than ever before. To me that outweighs disaffected (but still far from poor) French protestors

Obv I am biased, as I split my childhood between Wisbech and South India, and my wife and her family are Indonesians. And wasn’t one of the issues behind Brexit about leaving a protectionist EU for enhanced links with India/ China etc, embracing this new world?

wc98

6,921 posts

78 months

Tuesday 22nd January
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wisbech said:
However, globalism and capitalism have been hugely beneficial overall. Living standards in China, Indonesia, India etc have jumped over the last 30-40 years - more people have left poverty (true poverty) behind in this generation than ever before. To me that outweighs disaffected (but still far from poor) French protestors

Obv I am biased, as I split my childhood between Wisbech and South India, and my wife and her family are Indonesians. And wasn’t one of the issues behind Brexit about leaving a protectionist EU for enhanced links with India/ China etc, embracing this new world?
hard to disagree with most of that, i think the problems are arising due to what appears to be a rise in crony capitalism. my idea of globalism would be more toward genuine free trade,not large global conglomerates becoming bigger. too much control of anything in the hands of anyone/business is never a good idea and it can also lead to the "too big to fail" scenario where ordinary punters end up on the hook.

Digga

26,056 posts

221 months

Tuesday 22nd January
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wc98 said:
wisbech said:
However, globalism and capitalism have been hugely beneficial overall. Living standards in China, Indonesia, India etc have jumped over the last 30-40 years - more people have left poverty (true poverty) behind in this generation than ever before. To me that outweighs disaffected (but still far from poor) French protestors

Obv I am biased, as I split my childhood between Wisbech and South India, and my wife and her family are Indonesians. And wasn’t one of the issues behind Brexit about leaving a protectionist EU for enhanced links with India/ China etc, embracing this new world?
hard to disagree with most of that, i think the problems are arising due to what appears to be a rise in crony capitalism. my idea of globalism would be more toward genuine free trade,not large global conglomerates becoming bigger. too much control of anything in the hands of anyone/business is never a good idea and it can also lead to the "too big to fail" scenario where ordinary punters end up on the hook.
There's now over 50% of the global population living in (loosely defined) democracies. That is due to global trade and liberalised economic policy. There are issues with the system, it can be gamed, but nothing like the issues associated with communism.

However, the yellow vests do have a valid purpose, as there is inequality. IMHO it is merely indicative that the right checks and balances have yet to be devised.

Borghetto

2,704 posts

121 months

Tuesday 22nd January
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I was in Nice last November and watched the first Yellow Vest gathering and March. It was all very good natured. I am flying back there this weekend and it will be interesting to see if the numbers and/or the atmosphere has changed.

longblackcoat

3,797 posts

121 months

Tuesday 22nd January
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TVRJAS said:
Oh the Irony...

So you obviously didn't look at https://twitter.com/sotiridi ... Why would I jump in a car when that journalist covers all over France and the other countries as does YT and the 1,000 of other info that can be obtained. Don't suppose you will see many yellow vests up the top of mountains or at the chateau or when you read your bbc.

The storm is coming Q



Edited by TVRJAS on Tuesday 22 January 01:38
I thought you said you were going to stop with your Qanon idiocy?

tangerine_sedge

1,448 posts

156 months

Tuesday 22nd January
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TVRJAS said:
gizlaroc said:
tangerine_sedge said:
Finally, why the attack on hipsters? Probably for the same reason that the acid house scene, punks, skinheads, Mods & rockers and Teddy boys were attacked, i.e. attacked by fat bald middle aged people who have forgotten what it's like to be young and how to have fun.
Did you read the article?
He couldn't read it from the big high horse he sits on so his Secretary will read through it then pass it on to his advisory.
I didn't realise the original post was in response to that article. I have now read the article and see the relevance. It's still bks though.

The article is basically blaming 'the elites'(*1) for globalisation and demonising the people who have adapted to globalisation, i.e. the city dwellers/hipsters.

(*1) still have no definition of who these elites are, probably just anybody who is doing better than them, aka good old fashioned socialist envy.