Yellow vests - fuel protest day of action in France
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tangerine_sedge said:
amusingduck said:
tangerine_sedge said:
(*1) still have no definition of who these elites are, probably just anybody who is doing better than them, aka good old fashioned socialist envy.
A cynic would think you were deliberately avoiding educating yourself as to what the definition is, to allow you to continue to make "misinformed" quips like that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_elite#United...
Here you go, there's a start.
A British synonym is metropolitan elite
tangerine_sedge said:
Hipsters can be found in cities, towns and villages up and down the country. Walk into any coffee shop and you can almost guarantee being served by one.
Now, about this politics of envy that is being displayed....
Where is it you live/work? Now, about this politics of envy that is being displayed....
A hipster is not some coffee shop worker with a waxed moustache, dungarees and a penny farthing for transport.
He may have been 20 years ago, but he was mid twenties then, he is now 45 earns a fortune, has the house and the cars and is caught up in the material world like the rest of us, the difference is he still thinks he is a hipster and preaches as if he is scraping together the pennies and saying how terrible those are who are materialistic.
I'm not making this up, I work with them every day.
amusingduck said:
tangerine_sedge said:
amusingduck said:
tangerine_sedge said:
(*1) still have no definition of who these elites are, probably just anybody who is doing better than them, aka good old fashioned socialist envy.
A cynic would think you were deliberately avoiding educating yourself as to what the definition is, to allow you to continue to make "misinformed" quips like that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_elite#United...
Here you go, there's a start.
A British synonym is metropolitan elite
Damn, it was easier in the old days, when it was just the jewish bankers we needed to kick out!
tangerine_sedge said:
What about the ones that live in the Cotswolds? Are they metropolitan elite too? Who are you trying to make me hate?
Damn, it was easier in the old days, when it was just the jewish bankers we needed to kick out!
There is simply a divide happening that is getting bigger and bigger. Damn, it was easier in the old days, when it was just the jewish bankers we needed to kick out!
One of the issues though is so many see it is those who simply earn more than them that are the cause and never consider they may be part of the problem.
I include myself in that. I'm quite happy to live in denial.
I just wish people would be honest.
gizlaroc said:
There is simply a divide happening that is getting bigger and bigger.
One of the issues though is so many see it is those who simply earn more than them that are the cause and never consider they may be part of the problem.
I include myself in that. I'm quite happy to live in denial.
I just wish people would be honest.
The unique thing about the yellow vests (and probably what has enabled them to keep going for so long) is that it isn't just one set of people with their own cause - it's a mixture of left AND right leaning people who have woken up to how they are being screwed over by the establishment and a banker stooge who has been manoeuvred into place (courtesy of an effective two party/choices system) to lead their country.One of the issues though is so many see it is those who simply earn more than them that are the cause and never consider they may be part of the problem.
I include myself in that. I'm quite happy to live in denial.
I just wish people would be honest.
How lucky for the establishment of most of our 'democracies' that the public have been encouraged into getting outraged about being offended by use of language or gendered bathroom facilities rather than having time to sit down and realise how their freedoms and wealth is coming under attack and being chipped away. At least the French public have their heads screwed on.
Lucas Ayde said:
gizlaroc said:
There is simply a divide happening that is getting bigger and bigger.
One of the issues though is so many see it is those who simply earn more than them that are the cause and never consider they may be part of the problem.
I include myself in that. I'm quite happy to live in denial.
I just wish people would be honest.
The unique thing about the yellow vests (and probably what has enabled them to keep going for so long) is that it isn't just one set of people with their own cause - it's a mixture of left AND right leaning people who have woken up to how they are being screwed over by the establishment and a banker stooge who has been manoeuvred into place (courtesy of an effective two party/choices system) to lead their country.One of the issues though is so many see it is those who simply earn more than them that are the cause and never consider they may be part of the problem.
I include myself in that. I'm quite happy to live in denial.
I just wish people would be honest.
How lucky for the establishment of most of our 'democracies' that the public have been encouraged into getting outraged about being offended by use of language or gendered bathroom facilities rather than having time to sit down and realise how their freedoms and wealth is coming under attack and being chipped away. At least the French public have their heads screwed on.
Christophe Guilluy said:
‘Peripheral France’ is about the geographic distribution of the working classes across France. Fifteen years ago, I noticed that the majority of working-class people actually live very far away from the major globalised cities – far from Paris, Lyon and Toulouse, and also very far from London and New York.
Technically, our globalised economic model performs well. It produces a lot of wealth. But it doesn’t need the majority of the population to function. It has no real need for the manual workers, labourers and even small-business owners outside of the big cities. Paris creates enough wealth for the whole of France, and London does the same in Britain. But you cannot build a society around this. The gilets jaunes is a revolt of the working classes who live in these places.
They tend to be people in work, but who don’t earn very much, between 1000€ and 2000€ per month. Some of them are very poor if they are unemployed. Others were once middle-class. What they all have in common is that they live in areas where there is hardly any work left. They know that even if they have a job today, they could lose it tomorrow and they won’t find anything else.
Nail. Head.Technically, our globalised economic model performs well. It produces a lot of wealth. But it doesn’t need the majority of the population to function. It has no real need for the manual workers, labourers and even small-business owners outside of the big cities. Paris creates enough wealth for the whole of France, and London does the same in Britain. But you cannot build a society around this. The gilets jaunes is a revolt of the working classes who live in these places.
They tend to be people in work, but who don’t earn very much, between 1000€ and 2000€ per month. Some of them are very poor if they are unemployed. Others were once middle-class. What they all have in common is that they live in areas where there is hardly any work left. They know that even if they have a job today, they could lose it tomorrow and they won’t find anything else.
Digga said:
I may have linked to it before, but it is an excellent article on the subject: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-21/gilets-j...
No point being richer than Croesus if you don't have a load of people providing the modern infrastructure for you to enjoy your wealth on. It's probably objectively better to be a middle class person in a developed country today than it was to be the King in 0AD for example.Christophe Guilluy said:
‘Peripheral France’ is about the geographic distribution of the working classes across France. Fifteen years ago, I noticed that the majority of working-class people actually live very far away from the major globalised cities – far from Paris, Lyon and Toulouse, and also very far from London and New York.
Technically, our globalised economic model performs well. It produces a lot of wealth. But it doesn’t need the majority of the population to function. It has no real need for the manual workers, labourers and even small-business owners outside of the big cities. Paris creates enough wealth for the whole of France, and London does the same in Britain. But you cannot build a society around this. The gilets jaunes is a revolt of the working classes who live in these places.
They tend to be people in work, but who don’t earn very much, between 1000€ and 2000€ per month. Some of them are very poor if they are unemployed. Others were once middle-class. What they all have in common is that they live in areas where there is hardly any work left. They know that even if they have a job today, they could lose it tomorrow and they won’t find anything else.
Nail. Head.Technically, our globalised economic model performs well. It produces a lot of wealth. But it doesn’t need the majority of the population to function. It has no real need for the manual workers, labourers and even small-business owners outside of the big cities. Paris creates enough wealth for the whole of France, and London does the same in Britain. But you cannot build a society around this. The gilets jaunes is a revolt of the working classes who live in these places.
They tend to be people in work, but who don’t earn very much, between 1000€ and 2000€ per month. Some of them are very poor if they are unemployed. Others were once middle-class. What they all have in common is that they live in areas where there is hardly any work left. They know that even if they have a job today, they could lose it tomorrow and they won’t find anything else.
The real worry comes as automation takes over. There will come a point when the rich (who will own the machines) don't have much need for the masses to provide them with the underlying basics and luxuries of a developed civilisation.
In the meantime, let the plebs fight over non-issues as long as they don't ask any actual tricky questions.
Lucas Ayde said:
The real worry comes as automation takes over. There will come a point when the rich (who will own the machines) don't have much need for the masses to provide them with the underlying basics and luxuries of a developed civilisation.
This is the elephant in the room for both FOM and economic migration, to the West, from the developing world.We may be at a cross-over point, where economic growth can be sustained without additional workers, let alone maintaining current levels of employment or remuneration. AI and robotics are developing extremely quickly.
Very good article. It’s the same in Ireland, Dublin’s greater area houses at times upmtom1/3rd of the country’s population. Provincial towns are dying on their feet.
Our politicians want us to abandon our coal fires and diesel cars and become vegan to lower our emissions, they don’t realise that us in rural Ireland need all these, not for now at any rate.
They want us to cycle around on push bikes,forgetting it’s wet and cold and windy and the town is miles away. Instead they focus on referendums on Gay marriage , allowing Irish people living for decades in foreign countries to vote in our domestic elections.
Our politicians want us to abandon our coal fires and diesel cars and become vegan to lower our emissions, they don’t realise that us in rural Ireland need all these, not for now at any rate.
They want us to cycle around on push bikes,forgetting it’s wet and cold and windy and the town is miles away. Instead they focus on referendums on Gay marriage , allowing Irish people living for decades in foreign countries to vote in our domestic elections.
Edited by majordad on Tuesday 22 January 16:22
Digga said:
Describes far more than just les Gilets Jaune.
Exactly. It covers what is happening all over the world so succinctly, however it is a truth that many simply don't want to acknowledge, problem is, while you may not be at the bottom of the food chain now, you probably be will be in a few years time. Let's see how they feel about it then.
majordad said:
They want us to cycle around on push bikes,forgetting it’s wet and cold and windy and the town is miles away.
Yep the same global elites that are flying into Davos with their expected 1500 private jets to tell us WE must stop climate control BS,same as they did in Poland a few months back. Edited by majordad on Tuesday 22 January 16:22
TVRJAS said:
Yep the same global elites that are flying into Davos with their expected 1500 private jets to tell us WE must stop climate control BS,same as they did in Poland a few months back.
now that is a factual statement. biggest bunch of virtue signalling do as we say not as we do hypocritical scum on the planet. TVRJAS said:
Oh the Irony...
So you obviously didn't look at https://twitter.com/sotiridi ... Why would I jump in a car when that journalist covers all over France and the other countries as does YT and the 1,000 of other info that can be obtained. Don't suppose you will see many yellow vests up the top of mountains or at the chateau or when you read your bbc.
The storm is coming Q
So, time to st or get off the pot. So you obviously didn't look at https://twitter.com/sotiridi ... Why would I jump in a car when that journalist covers all over France and the other countries as does YT and the 1,000 of other info that can be obtained. Don't suppose you will see many yellow vests up the top of mountains or at the chateau or when you read your bbc.
The storm is coming Q
When is the "storm" coming?
This day? This month? This year? This decade?
You can't pretend to be prescient, without being a little more specific, "Q".
EddieSteadyGo said:
So, time to st or get off the pot.
When is the "storm" coming?
This day? This month? This year? This decade?
You can't pretend to be prescient, without being a little more specific, "Q".
Do your own research and you will know, but of course you wont, because you are one of those spoon fed the world by a media who publish only what they are told.When is the "storm" coming?
This day? This month? This year? This decade?
You can't pretend to be prescient, without being a little more specific, "Q".
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gizlaroc said:
Exactly.
It covers what is happening all over the world so succinctly, however it is a truth that many simply don't want to acknowledge, problem is, while you may not be at the bottom of the food chain now, you probably be will be in a few years time. Let's see how they feel about it then.
But it isn’t happening all over the world - for example third tier towns & cities in China/ India are booming- whereas 20 years ago it was just Shanghai/ Canton/ Delhi etcIt covers what is happening all over the world so succinctly, however it is a truth that many simply don't want to acknowledge, problem is, while you may not be at the bottom of the food chain now, you probably be will be in a few years time. Let's see how they feel about it then.
Provincial Indonesia has become unrecognisable from 25 years ago - mobile internet has also had a part to play. Heck my wife’s small hometown in Java has hipster coffee shops set up by people returning home from Australia and setting up Melbourne style places
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