Theresa May (Vol.2)

[PurpleMoonlight]

jsf said:

I am quite prepared to lose everything i have to put our future generations in a better position long term. That hasn't changed from the position i took in 2016.

That won't be the reality of course, but I'd swallow it if it happened.

Ive done just that a few times in my life when i saw the industry i was involved with was dying, so cut loose from it, took a big hit on income and retrained for the next boom job market.

The last time i did it was 9/11 when the planes hit, i was sat in an office doing a job i didn't particularly enjoy but it was paid well. I decided to get out and spent 2 years off work travelling the world whilst i sorted out a new career.

I now earn more doing a job i love, it took 5 years of working my way back up from nothing to now be in a position I'm one of the best in my field with lots of sucess behind me.

Very noble. But I fear you have given future generations something they wont want.

Edited by PurpleMoonlight on Saturday 15th December 17:35

[gizlaroc]

'kin 'ell!!

Reading through the last few pages it seems that those who wanted to remain are just scared of change, like they have no faith in themselves to adapt to the changes life throws at them.

It must be a horrible mindset to be in through life.

I have sort of started to understand why there is so much angst.

[Red 4]

PurpleMoonlight said:

Very nobel.

I suspect jsf will be nominating himself for that prize soon enough.

He's a true inspiration to us all.

[Nickgnome]

thetrickcyclist said:

Perhaps it's time for both sides to start showing a bit of respect for other peoples choice....

If someone could evidence to me that our economy would grow more rapidly and that i could test their assumptions, then yes, I could respect their views, but not someone who considers it is a price worth paying for our economy to suffer and consequently the populous.

I can think of little more selfish.

The sad thing is it will be the less fortunate that pay the price. It really won’t impact the better of at all as we are able to move our investments around.

[PurpleMoonlight]

Red 4 said:

I suspect jsf will be nominating himself for that prize soon enough.

He's a true inspiration to us all.

Already changed the tpyo.

[gizlaroc]

Nickgnome said:

If someone could evidence to me that our economy would grow more rapidly and that i could test their assumptions, then yes, I could respect their views, but not someone who considers it is a price worth paying for our economy to suffer and consequently the populous.

I can think of little more selfish.

The sad thing is it will be the less fortunate that pay the price. It really won’t impact the better of at all as we are able to move our investments around.

You keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better about yourself.

[anonymous-user]

Nickgnome said:

To me you sound totally risk adverse.

Get into a serious relationship. No

Have the responsibility of Children. No

Start a business and employ some people. No

Stick at a job long enough to be really good at it and recognised as so. No.

You are nothing like any of the leave voters I know. Some of whom I can disagree with viemently but respect why they hold their view. You share few of the values they hold dear.

You know nothing of me or the reasons for my choices, the start in life i had or the values i have,

I've been doing the current job role for 13 years, my previous job role was for 10 years. I've been working 35 years.

You'll find it really hard to find people in the future who stick to one job role as economies and technology make old job roles obsolete, the ones who will get ahead will be those that recognise the trends and make a shift in advance of being forced to. My sort of career path will become the norm, especially when all the current white collar back office jobs disappear.

[B'stard Child]

jsf said:

Nickgnome said:

To me you sound totally risk adverse.

Get into a serious relationship. No

Have the responsibility of Children. No

Start a business and employ some people. No

Stick at a job long enough to be really good at it and recognised as so. No.

You are nothing like any of the leave voters I know. Some of whom I can disagree with viemently but respect why they hold their view. You share few of the values they hold dear.

You know nothing of me or the reasons for my choices, the start in life i had or the values i have,

I've been doing the current job role for 13 years, my previous job role was for 10 years. I've been working 35 years.

You'll find it really hard to find people in the future who stick to one job role as economies and technology make old job roles obsolete, the ones who will get ahead will be those that recognise the trends and make a shift in advance of being forced to. My sort of career path will become the norm, especially when all the current white collar back office jobs disappear.

He's a bit of a k*ob - best to ignore him

[EddieSteadyGo]

gizlaroc said:

'kin 'ell!!

Reading through the last few pages it seems that those who wanted to remain are just scared of change, like they have no faith in themselves to adapt to the changes life throws at them.

It must be a horrible mindset to be in through life.

I have sort of started to understand why there is so much angst.

Think you are overstating the point about all those who voted to remain.

I voted to remain, not because I was scared of change, but more because the way our society works at the moment was, broadly speaking, fine.

Lots of employment, lots of opportunity, lots of freedoms and lots of individual choices available that each person could make.

I recognised the important principle of sovereignty, but I couldn't think of any actual practical rules or laws which had originated at an EU level which I thought were particularly wrong or egregious.

Yes, we pay them a large sum of money, but I wasn't sure how much of that we would save "net" of any alternative settlement.

I have changed my opinion in one aspect though. Many of the reasons to vote "out" related to risks as to what might happen e.g. Turkey joining, EU Army etc. My answer at the time was that we could vote to leave at some later point if those risks came to pass and it negatively affected our situation.

However, extricating ourselves from a 40+ year marriage has thrown up so many complications as things stand now, that I can see leaving might not be even viable in say another 10 years due to all the further likely integration.

[B'stard Child]

EddieSteadyGo said:

However, extricating ourselves from a 40+ year marriage has thrown up so many complications as things stand now, that I can see leaving might not be even viable in say another 10 years due to all the further likely integration.

One of my reasons - if not possible now it would be never possible

I'm actually not sure it's possible now bearing in mind what a horlicks has been made of the process if we end up in then we need to be all in

[EddieSteadyGo]

B'stard Child said:

EddieSteadyGo said:

However, extricating ourselves from a 40+ year marriage has thrown up so many complications as things stand now, that I can see leaving might not be even viable in say another 10 years due to all the further likely integration.

One of my reasons - if not possible now it would be never possible

I'm actually not sure it's possible now bearing in mind what a horlicks has been made of the process if we end up in then we need to be all in

Yep - I'd not included this properly in my original thinking. It does make a big difference, as you then have to weigh up not just how things are now, but how they might be, and what is the direction of travel.

[voyds9]

EddieSteadyGo said:

Yep - I'd not included this properly in my original thinking. It does make a big difference, as you then have to weigh up not just how things are now, but how they might be, and what is the direction of travel.

And that goes for Remain also. Further integration, EU army, Euro, common tax are all on the way

When would a common language then loss of state identity have followed.

[saaby93]

voyds9 said:

And that goes for Remain also. Further integration, EU army, Euro, common tax are all on the way

When would a common language then loss of state identity have followed.

There's already one language used as a common language
Guess what it is

[frisbee]

saaby93 said:

voyds9 said:

And that goes for Remain also. Further integration, EU army, Euro, common tax are all on the way

When would a common language then loss of state identity have followed.

There's already one language used as a common language
Guess what it is

Clearly not one that includes grammar or punctuation!

[powerstroke]

Nickgnome said:

But are still in a massive minority.

At least now we are teasing out the truth on the various views of Leavers.

One thing is for sure ,this tiny wet island wouldn't have achieved a tenth of what we have if we all had the
insipid risk averse I'm all right jack attitude shown by most of the remain lot ...

[voyds9]

saaby93 said:

There's already one language used as a common language
Guess what it is

No idea, French?

Seems to be what Juncker speaks in when addressing Brexit concerns.

[Salmonofdoubt]

gizlaroc said:

'kin 'ell!!

Reading through the last few pages it seems that those who wanted to remain are just scared of change, like they have no faith in themselves to adapt to the changes life throws at them.

It must be a horrible mindset to be in through life.

I have sort of started to understand why there is so much angst.

When you’re happy with your life and don’t feel the need to ask for a change that is vague and not something you’ll, have any control of anyway why should you be anything other than nervous?

Those who supported leave were in my view either wealthy people who can weather a storm, or the angry and disenfranchised in post industrial areas who wanted to give the PM a bloody nose because they were sold a number of lies and strawman arguments.

I get why those who want lower taxes and less regulation voted leave. I get why the poor and disenfranchised voted for change.

I get why those who didn’t have any problems with the status quo voted to remain.

I also know only one vote was for a clearly defined outcome, the one with 52% opened the doors to a world of complex issues and not one person who voted leave knew what leave would look like, just what they wanted to happen. Hence when the deal on the table was published they all wailed because their ideas existed in fantasy land.

[wc98]

Nickgnome said:

To me you sound totally risk adverse.

Get into a serious relationship. No

Have the responsibility of Children. No

Start a business and employ some people. No

Stick at a job long enough to be really good at it and recognised as so. No.

You are nothing like any of the leave voters I know. Some of whom I can disagree with viemently but respect why they hold their view. You share few of the values they hold dear.

i have a lot of respect for people that recognise the real responsibility that having a family entails and decide not to have one if their work entails spending long periods away from home. you can see the state of the supposed elite running the country as a result of parents that were too busy maintaining a status so packed the spawn off to boarding school as soon as they could.

[anonymous-user]

Salmonofdoubt said:

Those who supported leave were in my view either wealthy people who can weather a storm, or the angry and disenfranchised in post industrial areas who wanted to give the PM a bloody nose because they were sold a number of lies and strawman arguments.

I'm neither.

I earn more than the UK average income, but i'm not wealthy. As i am a one income household i'm probably earning slightly less than your average household where two people are in full time work, but i have enough income to compete in motorsport events as a hobby without breaking the bank.

I was born in Manchester, but now live in Cambridgeshire and do a job which is highly specialised.

I voted leave.

I know a large spectrum of income levels and social positions who voted either leave or remain, your view on the makeup of the voters is a nonsense.

[wc98]

powerstroke said:

One thing is for sure ,this tiny wet island wouldn't have achieved a tenth of what we have if we all had the
insipid risk averse I'm all right jack attitude shown by most of the remain lot ...

i recently watched a you tube clip i was sent in a link from a friend. dominc grieve, farage and campbell being interviewed by piers morgan and susanna reid. insipid and risk averse is a perfect descriptor of grieve. i have no idea what sort of people vote someone like that into office. i wouldn't let him lead a pony, never mind a horse to water.he might be a clever bloke but by christ he gives the appearance of having a spine like a wet paper straw.

as for campbell, given he thinks vast swathes of the country have now changed their mind and want to remain instead (i would sell my house so i could afford to pay him to do a survey in the north east, cumbria and norfolk.would keep a little back from the sale to pay for the funeral though ) i can only assume he now has a hard drug habit and was under the influence of lsd or ayahuasca (the drug, not ph member ) during the interview.