Theresa May (Vol.2)

[Vaud]

JagLover said:

Yes and no

Yes the EU was never likely to allow better terms for the UK than as a member.

But no as in this is not actually a deal on future trading relations, but permission to leave. It is only weakness on the UK side that has lead the EU to demand that a cordial separation depends on the UK being effectively subject to the EU.

Possible, but don't hold any cards or leverage? We are leaving their club.

[Nickgnome]

jakesmith said:

Ayahuasca said:

Yes I know but it gives the impression of being a walkover, which she has been. The EU side have been mercilessly mocking her (taking the piss out of her dancing, stuff about cherries on the cake, etc). Can you see Margaret Thatcher standing up for that crap. Being angry in a controlled way is sometimes needed.

You haven't got the slightest idea of what goes on behind closed doors
Politician in 'smiling for photo' shocker

No, unfortunately he hasn't. I tried to advise him yesterday how negotiations work and playing to the media by politicians.

[blade runner]

Yet another statement from May saying something has changed, when actually it hasn't.

[alfie2244]

She's definitely visibly stressed more than I have seen previously............not surprising I suppose but IMO all her own doing for being so weak.

[BlackLabel]

[EddieSteadyGo]

alfie2244 said:

She's definitely visibly stressed more than I have seen previously............not surprising I suppose but IMO all her own doing for being so weak.

It isn't all of her own making. We the electorate bear some responsibility. After all, we voted to Leave, and when the PM needed our support to gain a sufficient working majority (so she wouldn't be held hostage by fringe groups), we elected a majority of MPs who had no intention of implementing the referendum result.

Classic case of people "wishing the ends without willing the means"...

[citizensm1th]

BigMon said:

bhstewie said:

BigMon said:

pistonheads2018 said:

I wonder if your arrogance and inability to admit you were wrong has caused you difficulties in the past?

I think I recognise who this poster is.

Maybe you need to change your posting style if you're not going to be banned for a third time within (two?) months.

Oh thank god I thought it was just me.

Hope you have evidence for that.

The 'suspect' is a very intelligent and successful person too which makes it all the more baffling.

It amazes me they can return with a third account with three months, carry on with exactly the same posting style that got them banned, and not think it is going to be obvious to others who they are.

Can't be that intelligent.

[johnxjsc1985]

EddieSteadyGo said:

It isn't all of her own making. We the electorate bear some responsibility. After all, we voted to Leave, and when the PM needed our support to gain a sufficient working majority (so she wouldn't be held hostage by fringe groups), we elected a majority of MPs who had no intention of implementing the referendum result.

Classic case of people "wishing the ends without willing the means"...

NOt so as someone posted yesterday over 400 MP's constituents voted leave so she should have no problem getting legislation through. The problem is MP's do not want to leave and will happily keep using delaying tactics in the hope of finding a way to reverse the Referendum result.
What she is doing yet again is delaying the inevitable and that is the vote to kill this deal followed by a vote of no confidence followed by a General Election.

[thetrickcyclist]

EddieSteadyGo said:

It isn't all of her own making. We the electorate bear some responsibility. After all, we voted to Leave, and when the PM needed our support to gain a sufficient working majority (so she wouldn't be held hostage by fringe groups), we elected a majority of MPs who had no intention of implementing the referendum result.

Classic case of making it up as you go along more like!

[alfie2244]

EddieSteadyGo said:

alfie2244 said:

She's definitely visibly stressed more than I have seen previously............not surprising I suppose but IMO all her own doing for being so weak.

It isn't all of her own making. We the electorate bear some responsibility. After all, we voted to Leave, and when the PM needed our support to gain a sufficient working majority (so she wouldn't be held hostage by fringe groups), we elected a majority of MPs who had no intention of implementing the referendum result.

Classic case of people "wishing the ends without willing the means"...

Nope sorry........she volunteered to be in charge of Brexit even though she doesn't actually believe in it............she saw an opportunity to make a place for herself in history..........I voted Leave and would have liked a true Believer to have at least led the negotiations..............So you can take some responsibility for her angst if you wish but forgive me if I don't.

[EddieSteadyGo]

johnxjsc1985 said:

EddieSteadyGo said:

It isn't all of her own making. We the electorate bear some responsibility. After all, we voted to Leave, and when the PM needed our support to gain a sufficient working majority (so she wouldn't be held hostage by fringe groups), we elected a majority of MPs who had no intention of implementing the referendum result.

Classic case of people "wishing the ends without willing the means"...

NOt so as someone posted yesterday over 400 MP's constituents voted leave so she should have no problem getting legislation through. The problem is MP's do not want to leave and will happily keep using delaying tactics in the hope of finding a way to reverse the Referendum result.
What she is doing yet again is delaying the inevitable and that is the vote to kill this deal followed by a vote of no confidence followed by a General Election.

You are making my point. A large number of constituencies voted Leave. I can only assume some people assumed that was the end of the matter as when the PM explained the need to change the parliamentary arithmetic by calling a special general election, the people proceeded to elect a majority of MPs, many of whom had a clear position to oppose Brexit.

[johnxjsc1985]

ash73 said:

I had the choice between outspoken Tory remainer Antoinette Sandbach, a pro remain Lib Dem candidate, or a UKIP nutter.

What was I supposed to do?

I wonder how many MP's reflected in someway in fact anyway the people they wanted to represent.?
That's why we should have on the ballot paper "none of the above".

[paulrockliffe]

ash73 said:

I had the choice between outspoken Tory remainer Antoinette Sandbach, a pro remain Lib Dem candidate, or a UKIP nutter.

What was I supposed to do?

Harsh, I feel your pain. I was given the choice of a pro-leave Tory, but in my seat it's Labour all the way until Thatcher opens the mines again or something. So I've got that bell-end Pidcock.

Actually, there's a new opencast mine opened up the hill this year, so maybe there's hope......

[alfie2244]

johnxjsc1985 said:

ash73 said:

I had the choice between outspoken Tory remainer Antoinette Sandbach, a pro remain Lib Dem candidate, or a UKIP nutter.

What was I supposed to do?

I wonder how many MP's reflected in someway in fact anyway the people they wanted to represent.?
That's why we should have on the ballot paper "none of the above".

Not a single Leave candidate in my area.

[EddieSteadyGo]

alfie2244 said:

Nope sorry........she volunteered to be in charge of Brexit even though she doesn't actually believe in it............she saw an opportunity to make a place for herself in history..........I voted Leave and would have liked a true Believer to have at least led the negotiations..............So you can take some responsibility for her angst if you wish but forgive me if I don't.

I'm not making that point.

The PM anticipated the problem in parliament i.e the risk of being held hostage by special interest groups of one form or another. So she called an election and explained she needed a large mandate to make Brexit happen. And many people didn't follow through from their original vote in the referendum, instead electing a large number of MPs who had 'on the record' positions of opposing Brexit. Hence my comment that 'the people' bear some responsibility as they have to some degree tied her hands.

Whilst you personally might not have done, I'm referring to the overall result having aggregated everyone's votes together.

[Trophy Husband]

johnxjsc1985 said:

ash73 said:

I asked the same question on here a couple of days ago and the response was porous border, deal with it.

I still have not seen an answer that makes sense. The Irish with the backing of the EU insist NO BORDER the EU insist on a Border with non EU States. So no deal means a border as far as I can see and a massive problem for the Republic.

Indeed. Which is anachronistic to the DUP stance wouldn't you say? They allegedly rail against the backstop, I'm not sure if that's the truth? They just don't like it one way, they don't give a stuff about the other.

I love the real Irish, they're great people. The Ulster Scottish ones are s in my humble opinion. Colonists that they are.

It is amusing that the DUP hold huge sway over what happens for us mainlanders! They curse the backstop but hate the Republic. Moreover they hate their own Catholics and, in my humble opinion, would have no problem for The Troubles to return.

Check out their policies, check out their heritage back to the 70's. Horrible, horrible s. Anti gay, anti abortion etc. They are medieval in their views and policies. It is hilarious that they provided the majority for There's Dismay's government.

I honestly think that the DUP want a hard border between the real Ireland and the stolen Ireland. They're playing a duplicitous game. It was ever thus.

Ian Paisley must be guffawing in his grave and Arlene Foster laughing at the fact that she kept her job after the £490 million fraud against the UK purse after the green energy scandal that she set up only to be a continuing thorn to both UK parliament and the real Irish.

Have a read.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Unionist_...

then

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlene_Foster

then

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland

We all need to know our history.

[alfie2244]

Lentilist said:

alfie2244 said:

Nope sorry........she volunteered to be in charge of Brexit even though she doesn't actually believe in it............she saw an opportunity to make a place for herself in history..........I voted Leave and would have liked a true Believer to have at least led the negotiations

Someone like David Davis, perhaps?

Without May's / Oily's hands up his back perhaps............neither he nor his successors were leading negotiations really though were they?

[Vaud]

johnxjsc1985 said:

NOt so as someone posted yesterday over 400 MP's constituents voted leave so she should have no problem getting legislation through. The problem is MP's do not want to leave and will happily keep using delaying tactics in the hope of finding a way to reverse the Referendum result.

Compounded by those that want to leave have a different view of what leave means.

[p1stonhead]

Trophy Husband said:

johnxjsc1985 said:

ash73 said:

I asked the same question on here a couple of days ago and the response was porous border, deal with it.

I still have not seen an answer that makes sense. The Irish with the backing of the EU insist NO BORDER the EU insist on a Border with non EU States. So no deal means a border as far as I can see and a massive problem for the Republic.

Indeed. Which is anachronistic to the DUP stance wouldn't you say? They allegedly rail against the backstop, I'm not sure if that's the truth? They just don't like it one way, they don't give a stuff about the other.

I love the real Irish, they're great people. The Ulster Scottish ones are s in my humble opinion. Colonists that they are.

It is amusing that the DUP hold huge sway over what happens for us mainlanders! They curse the backstop but hate the Republic. Moreover they hate their own Catholics and, in my humble opinion, would have no problem for The Troubles to return.

Check out their policies, check out their heritage back to the 70's. Horrible, horrible s. Anti gay, anti abortion etc. They are medieval in their views and policies. It is hilarious that they provided the majority for There's Dismay's government.

I honestly think that the DUP want a hard border between the real Ireland and the stolen Ireland. They're playing a duplicitous game. It was ever thus.

Ian Paisley must be guffawing in his grave and Arlene Foster laughing at the fact that she kept her job after the £490 million fraud against the UK purse after the green energy scandal that she set up only to be a continuing thorn to both UK parliament and the real Irish.

Have a read.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Unionist_...

then

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlene_Foster

then

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland

We all need to know our history.

Lots of people know it.

Lots of people dont care even a tiny little bit about Ireland and even Northern Ireland which is 'supposedly', us.

[alfie2244]

EddieSteadyGo said:

I'm not making that point.

The PM anticipated the problem in parliament i.e the risk of being held hostage by special interest groups of one form or another. So she called an election and explained she needed a large mandate to make Brexit happen. And many people didn't follow through from their original vote in the referendum, instead electing a large number of MPs who had 'on the record' positions of opposing Brexit. Hence my comment that 'the people' bear some responsibility as they have to some degree tied her hands.

Whilst you personally might not have done, I'm referring to the overall result having aggregated everyone's votes together.

She also ran the worst election campaign in modern history so still all her fault.;)