Theresa May (Vol.2)
Discussion
chris watton said:
I think they just live inside their own narrow bubble of like minded people and advisors, and also think that Twitter is the be all and end all of what the general public think.
I think this is why they're so shocked and confused when the general public never vote the way they think, or what their equally narrow minded advisers told them what the public think.
Twitter is indeed part of it as that is usually the only way they see public reactions outside focus groups etc. London based politicians/media think it represents the public, but, as Cummings pointed out, it is a "metropolitan" phenomenon. I think this is why they're so shocked and confused when the general public never vote the way they think, or what their equally narrow minded advisers told them what the public think.
JagLover said:
chris watton said:
I think they just live inside their own narrow bubble of like minded people and advisors, and also think that Twitter is the be all and end all of what the general public think.
I think this is why they're so shocked and confused when the general public never vote the way they think, or what their equally narrow minded advisers told them what the public think.
Twitter is indeed part of it as that is usually the only way they see public reactions outside focus groups etc. London based politicians/media think it represents the public, but, as Cummings pointed out, it is a "metropolitan" phenomenon. I think this is why they're so shocked and confused when the general public never vote the way they think, or what their equally narrow minded advisers told them what the public think.
Almost everyone and everything on Twitter is mad.
RichB said:
AlexS_LDN said:
... it seems an election is around the corner...
The only person to whom it seems an election is round the corner is Corbyn. He's tried and failed miserably. chris watton said:
I think they just live inside their own narrow bubble of like minded people and advisors, and also think that Twitter is the be all and end all of what the general public think.
I think this is why they're so shocked and confused when the general public never vote the way they think, or what their equally narrow minded advisers told them what the public think.
spot on. still a few bubbles to burst yet.I think this is why they're so shocked and confused when the general public never vote the way they think, or what their equally narrow minded advisers told them what the public think.
Burwood said:
RichB said:
AlexS_LDN said:
... it seems an election is around the corner...
The only person to whom it seems an election is round the corner is Corbyn. He's tried and failed miserably. davepoth said:
Burwood said:
RichB said:
AlexS_LDN said:
... it seems an election is around the corner...
The only person to whom it seems an election is round the corner is Corbyn. He's tried and failed miserably. 
king the economy. Not their policies.Burwood said:
davepoth said:
Burwood said:
RichB said:
AlexS_LDN said:
... it seems an election is around the corner...
The only person to whom it seems an election is round the corner is Corbyn. He's tried and failed miserably. king the economy. Not their policies.It's weird to think that TM is basically in her position, the most senior political position in the country, by default.
No one in her party seriously wants the job as things stand right now, it's a poisoned chalice. Plenty waiting to pick up the pieces though.
With pretty much any other leader one would think that Labour would've have a decent shout of ousting the Conservatives. For all her hopelessness TM has expertly dunked on Corbyn by inviting the no-confidence vote. Corbyn just looks weak and Labour as a whole look rudderless.
The most important decision the country has known for decades and it's being marshalled by someone who won't listen to anyone and isn't competent enough to deliver it. Her "no deal is better than a bad deal" bad deal was everything the EU wanted, with nothing in our favour.
An utter shambles.
No one in her party seriously wants the job as things stand right now, it's a poisoned chalice. Plenty waiting to pick up the pieces though.
With pretty much any other leader one would think that Labour would've have a decent shout of ousting the Conservatives. For all her hopelessness TM has expertly dunked on Corbyn by inviting the no-confidence vote. Corbyn just looks weak and Labour as a whole look rudderless.
The most important decision the country has known for decades and it's being marshalled by someone who won't listen to anyone and isn't competent enough to deliver it. Her "no deal is better than a bad deal" bad deal was everything the EU wanted, with nothing in our favour.
An utter shambles.
BlackLabel said:
So back to Brussels she goes.
with a sense of progress at least, to this time show the EU that the backstop is the main sticking point and to come up with a different plan.I actually like the plan C that was hinted at today, add a year onto the WA, and failing that auto backstop is WTO rules.
paulrockliffe said:
Watching PMQs, as much as she needs to move aside, I wish she would explain to the un-made bed opposite why a Customs Union without EU membership would suck his jobs-first jobs into the EU.
As Rodgers said the politicians don't really understand trade. In any case Labour probably just want a customs union so they can say they are different to the Tories and seeking a "softer" Brexit. dazwalsh said:
with a sense of progress at least, to this time show the EU that the backstop is the main sticking point and to come up with a different plan.
I actually like the plan C that was hinted at today, add a year onto the WA, and failing that auto backstop is WTO rules.
Which won't be accepted by the EU as it requires a hard border in Ireland.I actually like the plan C that was hinted at today, add a year onto the WA, and failing that auto backstop is WTO rules.
Gribs said:
Which won't be accepted by the EU as it requires a hard border in Ireland.
So will a No Deal, but the EU have said they aim not to have a hard border in the case of No Deal as they'll look to implement technological solutions instead... Something they said couldn't be done when the UK suggested it.JagLover said:
As Rodgers said the politicians don't really understand trade. In any case Labour probably just want a customs union so they can say they are different to the Tories and seeking a "softer" Brexit.
May asked Corbyn what sort of Customs Union he wanted yesterday, and listed a few different types. He was flummoxed, and clearly doesn't even know what he's asking for. He turned to his front bench and May said something along the lines of 'you shouldn't be asking your staff" It even seemed to get a smirk from Starmer.His answer was typical Corbyn - he didn't answer the question!
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