Theresa May (Vol.2)

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Cobnapint

8,596 posts

150 months

Sunday 24th March 2019
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Bill said:
Cobnapint said:
Not when one of the parties is doing everything it can to obstruct you to trigger a GE.
And another who's trying to create any excuse it can for another indy ref.
At that point they'd just had a GE.
Not quite. Labour were publicly pushing for a GE (and they'd still like to have one) right up to the point when Corbyn lost the no confidence motion he put, straight after TM lost MV1 in mid January this year

Carl_Manchester

12,101 posts

261 months

Sunday 24th March 2019
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I would expect Ruth Davidson to be a leading candidate for the next leader of the party. We just need to find her a seat.

May won’t be ousted anytime soon as all the candidates know it’s a poisoned chalice atm.

abzmike

8,241 posts

105 months

Sunday 24th March 2019
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Carl_Manchester said:
I would expect Ruth Davidson to be a leading candidate for the next leader of the party. We just need to find her a seat.

May won’t be ousted anytime soon as all the candidates know it’s a poisoned chalice atm.
I’m not sure Ruth is that interested, new baby and all.

anonymous-user

53 months

Sunday 24th March 2019
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chris watton said:
Blue62 said:
anonymous said:
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At least Gary and Ray attempted some humour with their dose of prejudice.
With respect, talking of prejudice, do you not think that this line of yours hasn't a hint of that?

"have you stopped to consider why highly educated, politically engaged professionals would consider us to be better off in the EU than out? "

Does this mean that the lower classes should know their place, and bow to what the better people want, the people who do not have to live with the ideologically driven social polices of the EU and, by extension, our government's. I wonder, if they did, would they feel the same way.
Quite!

I’ve don’t ever recall being called prejudiced by anyone who’s ever met me, so it’s quite an impressive feat by Blue62 to do so remotely smile

Carl_Manchester

12,101 posts

261 months

Sunday 24th March 2019
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abzmike said:
Carl_Manchester said:
I would expect Ruth Davidson to be a leading candidate for the next leader of the party. We just need to find her a seat.

May won’t be ousted anytime soon as all the candidates know it’s a poisoned chalice atm.
I’m not sure Ruth is that interested, new baby and all.
she is being stage managed to neatly sidestep the next few weeks.

Vaud

50,285 posts

154 months

Sunday 24th March 2019
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I'm inclined to agree. She has plenty of time - represents the future of the party, not it's current sad state.

768

13,599 posts

95 months

Sunday 24th March 2019
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Isn't she also not an MP and also someone who said they wouldn't do it?

anonymous-user

53 months

Sunday 24th March 2019
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Trophy Husband said:
Since when were we a nation of 34.8 million people?
I think you will find it that your half is more like a quarter in reality. I've got bright nieces and nephews reaching franchise age or past it since the referendum, looking forward to their lives with trepidation as their world shrinks.
My father, a very bright 76 year old, foresees a world of economic pain for his grandchildren and for his sons with 10 to 20 more years of working life ahead of them. He's a pHD in social science and politics. He has lost friends over the referendum, quite a few.
His view is that you can only effect change from within and sees the European project as something in its infancy with a long way to go but directionally correct given the shift in the world economy.
Essentially, if the European project fails, the BRIC nations will arrive like vultures and rule our lives and generally with crap products and services that we no longer produce for ourselves.
I suggest you wake up and smell the coffee. The emerging market nations are already here and continuing to outgrow Europe rapidly, which is a bloated, old fashioned, slow to change mess.

More of the same for Europe is only going one way, and that's not pretty.

anonymous-user

53 months

Sunday 24th March 2019
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Carl_Manchester said:
I would expect Ruth Davidson to be a leading candidate for the next leader of the party. We just need to find her a seat.

May won’t be ousted anytime soon as all the candidates know it’s a poisoned chalice atm.
No chance of Ruth getting that gig in the foreseeable.

abzmike

8,241 posts

105 months

Sunday 24th March 2019
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Carl_Manchester said:
she is being stage managed to neatly sidestep the next few weeks.
Blimey - I know the Tory party is known for plots, but having her get pregnant so she can avoid the stramash around Brexit is fanciful.
Even if she wanted to be PM, and she has been pretty categoric in saying she doesn’t, she would need to be inserted into a safe seat, before anything else could happen, then a manufactured leadership election, against considerable middle England opposition. Two years away at least, even if she did the classic ‘I have never sought the highest office, but if it were to be thrust upon me...’ ... can’t see it.

Trophy Husband

3,924 posts

106 months

Sunday 24th March 2019
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jsf said:
Trophy Husband said:
Since when were we a nation of 34.8 million people?
I think you will find it that your half is more like a quarter in reality. I've got bright nieces and nephews reaching franchise age or past it since the referendum, looking forward to their lives with trepidation as their world shrinks.
My father, a very bright 76 year old, foresees a world of economic pain for his grandchildren and for his sons with 10 to 20 more years of working life ahead of them. He's a pHD in social science and politics. He has lost friends over the referendum, quite a few.
His view is that you can only effect change from within and sees the European project as something in its infancy with a long way to go but directionally correct given the shift in the world economy.
Essentially, if the European project fails, the BRIC nations will arrive like vultures and rule our lives and generally with crap products and services that we no longer produce for ourselves.
I suggest you wake up and smell the coffee. The emerging market nations are already here and continuing to outgrow Europe rapidly, which is a bloated, old fashioned, slow to change mess.

More of the same for Europe is only going one way, and that's not pretty.
Thanks for that. I've been smelling the coffee for over 12 months now as a business owner in the construction sector and the coffee smells foul. Why so?
The only conclusion I can draw is fear of leaving the European Union and the rabbit hole that it 'may' be.
Could I draw an analogy, if I may...
You are going out with a beautiful woman but behind a door could be one more beautiful, but only could be. Do you open the door or do you settle with what you have? I'm sorry, but in my opinion, because, let's face it we're all allowed them, you'd be an idiot to take the gamble.
That's where we are in a nutshell. Made even more difficult by the fact that the EU can choose how beautiful the woman is behind the closed door!
I don't know what you do to support your family, if indeed you have one, but I fear for mine. Please allow me that.

Vaud

50,285 posts

154 months

Sunday 24th March 2019
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768 said:
Isn't she also not an MP and also someone who said they wouldn't do it?
On a wild technicality I don't think the PM has to be an MP, or even from the Lords.

Wiki (which can be wrong) : "The office is not established by any statute or constitutional document but exists only by long-established convention, which stipulates that the monarch must appoint as Prime Minister the person most likely to command the confidence of the House of Commons"

NoNeed

15,137 posts

199 months

Sunday 24th March 2019
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Trophy Husband said:
jsf said:
Trophy Husband said:
Since when were we a nation of 34.8 million people?
I think you will find it that your half is more like a quarter in reality. I've got bright nieces and nephews reaching franchise age or past it since the referendum, looking forward to their lives with trepidation as their world shrinks.
My father, a very bright 76 year old, foresees a world of economic pain for his grandchildren and for his sons with 10 to 20 more years of working life ahead of them. He's a pHD in social science and politics. He has lost friends over the referendum, quite a few.
His view is that you can only effect change from within and sees the European project as something in its infancy with a long way to go but directionally correct given the shift in the world economy.
Essentially, if the European project fails, the BRIC nations will arrive like vultures and rule our lives and generally with crap products and services that we no longer produce for ourselves.
I suggest you wake up and smell the coffee. The emerging market nations are already here and continuing to outgrow Europe rapidly, which is a bloated, old fashioned, slow to change mess.

More of the same for Europe is only going one way, and that's not pretty.
Thanks for that. I've been smelling the coffee for over 12 months now as a business owner in the construction sector and the coffee smells foul. Why so?
The only conclusion I can draw is fear of leaving the European Union and the rabbit hole that it 'may' be.
Could I draw an analogy, if I may...
You are going out with a beautiful woman but behind a door could be one more beautiful, but only could be. Do you open the door or do you settle with what you have? I'm sorry, but in my opinion, because, let's face it we're all allowed them, you'd be an idiot to take the gamble.
That's where we are in a nutshell. Made even more difficult by the fact that the EU can choose how beautiful the woman is behind the closed door!
I don't know what you do to support your family, if indeed you have one, but I fear for mine. Please allow me that.
Except were are with a right smelly minger, but we can't leave because her dad employs our dad and said he will sack him if we go.

wc98

10,334 posts

139 months

Sunday 24th March 2019
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768 said:
wc98 said:
surely party positions would be put aside by individual mp's in that situation though.
hehe
getmecoat

wc98

10,334 posts

139 months

Sunday 24th March 2019
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chris watton said:
With respect, talking of prejudice, do you not think that this line of yours hasn't a hint of that?

"have you stopped to consider why highly educated, politically engaged professionals would consider us to be better off in the EU than out? "

Does this mean that the lower classes should know their place, and bow to what the better people want, the people who do not have to live with the ideologically driven social polices of the EU and, by extension, our government's. I wonder, if they did, would they feel the same way.
i thought it quite a revelation that those that benefit the most either from the current regime or directly from the taxpayer teat would consider us better off in the eu , didn't you wink

wc98

10,334 posts

139 months

Sunday 24th March 2019
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Trophy Husband said:
Since when were we a nation of 34.8 million people?
I think you will find it that your half is more like a quarter in reality. I've got bright nieces and nephews reaching franchise age or past it since the referendum, looking forward to their lives with trepidation as their world shrinks.
My father, a very bright 76 year old, foresees a world of economic pain for his grandchildren and for his sons with 10 to 20 more years of working life ahead of them. He's a pHD in social science and politics. He has lost friends over the referendum, quite a few.
His view is that you can only effect change from within and sees the European project as something in its infancy with a long way to go but directionally correct given the shift in the world economy.
Essentially, if the European project fails, the BRIC nations will arrive like vultures and rule our lives and generally with crap products and services that we no longer produce for ourselves.
the trouble with that is the "shift in world economy" is driven by people. people (possibly a different group of people, like voters) can drive that shift in another direction. i personally think the overall impression i get from globalism is there is a small select group (relatively speaking) of individuals and families that will do increasingly well from it ,while those they live off the back of will do increasingly less well, again relatively speaking.

anyone that thinks the worlds population needs direction from its betters is wrong imo. we will get where we need to be down to ordinary punters driving change, not ideologues shoving their version down our throats.

andy_s

19,397 posts

258 months

Sunday 24th March 2019
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wc98 said:
anyone that thinks the worlds population needs direction from its betters is wrong imo. we will get where we need to be down to ordinary punters driving change, not ideologues shoving their version down our throats.
The country seems to be in rude health since the govt. has been consumed by Brexit rather than petty meddling, important lessons: Politicians are no philosopher kings, countries run just fine with a minimum of interference and you can't judge the public by Twitter - most people are too busy working...

Burwood

18,709 posts

245 months

Sunday 24th March 2019
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andy_s said:
wc98 said:
anyone that thinks the worlds population needs direction from its betters is wrong imo. we will get where we need to be down to ordinary punters driving change, not ideologues shoving their version down our throats.
The country seems to be in rude health since the govt. has been consumed by Brexit rather than petty meddling, important lessons: Politicians are no philosopher kings, countries run just fine with a minimum of interference and you can't judge the public by Twitter - most people are too busy working...
Amen to that. Thumbs up

johnxjsc1985

15,948 posts

163 months

Sunday 24th March 2019
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So she survives again its like death by a thousand Cuts.

NoNeed

15,137 posts

199 months

Sunday 24th March 2019
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johnxjsc1985 said:
So she survives again its like death by a thousand Cuts.
There is no legal way to get rid, they have been exhausted, she is unsackable for the rest of this parliamentary session.