Theresa May (Vol.2)

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bitchstewie

51,104 posts

210 months

Thursday 23rd May 2019
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There was a rather appalling statistic that under Conservative Party rules, the next Prime Minister will effectively be decided by a demographic that is, if I recall correctly, 60% male, overwhelmingly white, with an average age of 72.

Dan Hannan was on LBC the other night and said the current system is idiotic.

NoNeed

15,137 posts

200 months

Thursday 23rd May 2019
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bhstewie said:
There was a rather appalling statistic that under Conservative Party rules, the next Prime Minister will effectively be decided by a demographic that is, if I recall correctly, 60% male, overwhelmingly white, with an average age of 72.

Dan Hannan was on LBC the other night and said the current system is idiotic.
sounds like the EU Parliament

Vaud

50,418 posts

155 months

Thursday 23rd May 2019
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bhstewie said:
There was a rather appalling statistic that under Conservative Party rules, the next Prime Minister will effectively be decided by a demographic that is, if I recall correctly, 60% male, overwhelmingly white, with an average age of 72.

Dan Hannan was on LBC the other night and said the current system is idiotic.
It may not be accurate.

https://www.bowgroup.org/policy/statement-average-...

Always challenge casually quoted stats.

SpeckledJim

31,608 posts

253 months

Thursday 23rd May 2019
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bhstewie said:
There was a rather appalling statistic that under Conservative Party rules, the next Prime Minister will effectively be decided by a demographic that is, if I recall correctly, 60% male, overwhelmingly white, with an average age of 72.

Dan Hannan was on LBC the other night and said the current system is idiotic.
Perhaps the Torres should let anyone with £3 have a vote? Then Jeremy can be the new Tory leader, and he can sidestep all the tiresome General Election paperwork.

egor110

16,849 posts

203 months

Thursday 23rd May 2019
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El stovey said:
May will say, Across the UK, the people have sent a clear message that they want to see brexit resolved. That is our mission and I remain determined to do it.

She’s negotiated a deal that she thinks delivers brexit, she knows what the E.U. will budge on (nothing) there’s no appetite for no deal or another referendum so what’s left?

Anyone stupid enough to replace her before her deal is passed, will be in exactly the same position.

This inability to deliver brexit is harming both main parties now. Maybe the pasting that the brexit party will give labour and the conservatives will push them into agreeing May’s deal plus a customs union?
What's left is a hard brexit , we've failed to come up with anything ourselves the clocks counting down for us regardless if we've gor a deal or not .

saaby93

32,038 posts

178 months

Thursday 23rd May 2019
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egor110 said:
What's left is a hard brexit .
Even if the tories were to say that, they have too many that would vote against to out vote the other parties

The only party that has enough internal support for leaving the EU is the one thats likely to win the EU elections

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 23rd May 2019
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El stovey said:
May will say, Across the UK, the people have sent a clear message that they want to see brexit resolved. That is our mission and I remain determined to do it.

She’s negotiated a deal that she thinks delivers brexit, she knows what the E.U. will budge on (nothing) there’s no appetite for no deal or another referendum so what’s left?

Anyone stupid enough to replace her before her deal is passed, will be in exactly the same position.

This inability to deliver brexit is harming both main parties now. Maybe the pasting that the brexit party will give labour and the conservatives will push them into agreeing May’s deal plus a customs union?
No chance, thats dead, as is Mays PM position.

Einion Yrth

19,575 posts

244 months

Thursday 23rd May 2019
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jsf said:
El stovey said:
May will say, Across the UK, the people have sent a clear message that they want to see brexit resolved. That is our mission and I remain determined to do it.

She’s negotiated a deal that she thinks delivers brexit, she knows what the E.U. will budge on (nothing) there’s no appetite for no deal or another referendum so what’s left?

Anyone stupid enough to replace her before her deal is passed, will be in exactly the same position.

This inability to deliver brexit is harming both main parties now. Maybe the pasting that the brexit party will give labour and the conservatives will push them into agreeing May’s deal plus a customs union?
No chance, thats dead, as is Mays PM position.
Brexit party's platform is leave on WTO terms, they have been very clear on this; May's gutless capitulation and servitude deal will not cut it. That does not of course mean that the parasites currently infesting the houses of parliament will not vote for it, but I think it would very likely be their last political act.

Oilchange

8,447 posts

260 months

Thursday 23rd May 2019
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I think all this nonsense is just time wasting and ultimately has opened the door to a wto Brexit. Not that its a bad thing, having a deal where Tusk, Juncker and any of those other nasty despicable people have had their grubby claws influence it can only be a bad thing for the UK.

Blackpuddin

16,476 posts

205 months

Friday 24th May 2019
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Ken Clarke on R4 now saying that any candidate for PM should (a) explain their magical Brexit solution and (b) outline what kind of Govt they plan to head up.

wc98

10,375 posts

140 months

Friday 24th May 2019
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Blackpuddin said:
Ken Clarke on R4 now saying that any candidate for PM should (a) explain their magical Brexit solution and (b) outline what kind of Govt they plan to head up.
he does have a point. until the majority of the current incumbents are hopefully removed at the next general election the change of conservative leadership won't make any difference to parliamentary arithmetic.

Burwood

18,709 posts

246 months

Friday 24th May 2019
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Blackpuddin said:
Ken Clarke on R4 now saying that any candidate for PM should (a) explain their magical Brexit solution and (b) outline what kind of Govt they plan to head up.
I think you'll find the Party will decide who to elect. It's clear it's Boris.

Squiddly Diddly

22,362 posts

157 months

Friday 24th May 2019
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Burwood said:
I think you'll find the Party will decide who to elect. It's clear it's Boris.
Aren't we enough of a worldwide laughing stock already?

wc98

10,375 posts

140 months

Friday 24th May 2019
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Burwood said:
Blackpuddin said:
Ken Clarke on R4 now saying that any candidate for PM should (a) explain their magical Brexit solution and (b) outline what kind of Govt they plan to head up.
I think you'll find the Party will decide who to elect. It's clear it's Boris.
in the future to be known as the final nail in the conservative party coffin. should any viable alternative emerge prior to the next general election i expect the tories to have a similar experience as the lib dems in recent years.

saaby93

32,038 posts

178 months

Friday 24th May 2019
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wc98 said:
Burwood said:
Blackpuddin said:
Ken Clarke on R4 now saying that any candidate for PM should (a) explain their magical Brexit solution and (b) outline what kind of Govt they plan to head up.
I think you'll find the Party will decide who to elect. It's clear it's Boris.
in the future to be known as the final nail in the conservative party coffin. should any viable alternative emerge prior to the next general election i expect the tories to have a similar experience as the lib dems in recent years.
Wasnt Boris the one who got us into this mess and looked like a rabbit in headlights when the referendum result was announced?

PositronicRay

27,004 posts

183 months

Friday 24th May 2019
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saaby93 said:
wc98 said:
Burwood said:
Blackpuddin said:
Ken Clarke on R4 now saying that any candidate for PM should (a) explain their magical Brexit solution and (b) outline what kind of Govt they plan to head up.
I think you'll find the Party will decide who to elect. It's clear it's Boris.
in the future to be known as the final nail in the conservative party coffin. should any viable alternative emerge prior to the next general election i expect the tories to have a similar experience as the lib dems in recent years.
Wasnt Boris the one who got us into this mess and looked like a rabbit in headlights when the referendum result was announced?
Yes, largely detested, but they recognise he may be a charismatic leader. If he's good enough to keep JC from no 10 that's enough. (in the eyes of the party faithful)

If only there was a way of controlling him!

Edited by PositronicRay on Friday 24th May 09:10

Mothersruin

8,573 posts

99 months

Friday 24th May 2019
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PositronicRay said:
saaby93 said:
wc98 said:
Burwood said:
Blackpuddin said:
Ken Clarke on R4 now saying that any candidate for PM should (a) explain their magical Brexit solution and (b) outline what kind of Govt they plan to head up.
I think you'll find the Party will decide who to elect. It's clear it's Boris.
in the future to be known as the final nail in the conservative party coffin. should any viable alternative emerge prior to the next general election i expect the tories to have a similar experience as the lib dems in recent years.
Wasnt Boris the one who got us into this mess and looked like a rabbit in headlights when the referendum result was announced?
Yes, largely detested, but they recognise he may be a good leader, good enough to keep JC from no 10.

If only there was a way of controlling him!
Probably a damn sight easier than trying to get May to listen...

richie99

1,116 posts

186 months

Friday 24th May 2019
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PositronicRay said:
Yes, largely detested, but they recognise he may be a good leader, good enough to keep JC from no 10.

If only there was a way of controlling him!
I don't see how anyone could have any confidence he would be a good enough leader to keep the Marxists out of power. He is simply the best choice of an appallingly inadequate field and hence is the last hope.

Vaud

50,418 posts

155 months

Friday 24th May 2019
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richie99 said:
I don't see how anyone could have any confidence he would be a good enough leader to keep the Marxists out of power. He is simply the best choice of an appallingly inadequate field and hence is the last hope.
I don't think JC is the main risk. He is wishy washy, doesn't seem to have an opinion, flip flops, etc. I don't like him, but McDonnell is the bigger risk for power.

Zigster

1,645 posts

144 months

Friday 24th May 2019
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Boris would be a disaster. Loved by the Tory party faithful; loathed by the rest of the electorate. A bit like JRM.

I couldn’t vote for a party that thought BoJo the Clown was in any way fit and appropriate to lead the country. And I voted for BoJo as London mayor - I think he was good in that role.

Boris as PM would help Labour into power at the next election.