Theresa May (Vol.2)

[johnxjsc1985]

Leicester Loyal said:

I think she'll get Labour (rebels) and other rebels on board and it'll push through the deal.

she needed about 70-75 to overturn the deficit its still going to be tight .

[Leicester Loyal]

johnxjsc1985 said:

she needed about 70-75 to overturn the deficit its still going to be tight .

Definitely, but I think unfortuntely she'll get it over the line.

Where that's going to leave us (the country) though I do not know!

[psi310398]

johnxjsc1985 said:

she needed about 70-75 to overturn the deficit its still going to be tight .

But how many Tories who were holding their noses to vote for it are now emboldened and have drifted back to no deal. They faltered because they thought no Brexit at all was on the table. That's no longer the case.

I don't think she can bank all of the votes she had last time.

[johnxjsc1985]

Leicester Loyal said:

Definitely, but I think unfortuntely she'll get it over the line.

Where that's going to leave us (the country) though I do not know!

I think we are in good company there about 60 million of us who don't know what the hell is going on and add to that 650 in the HOC

[Bill]

Why would anyone other than Brexiteers vote her deal through? If they vote it down she has no choice but to go for a long delay (or the no deal she doesn't want). (And then resign hopefully...)

[wc98]

Earthdweller said:

That’s not true though

In my northern constituency, in the 2015 GE UKIP polled 22% of the vote

Labour were narrowly elected

In 2016 the constituency vote massively to leave 67%

In the 2017 GE the UKIP vote collapsed to 4% and virtually all of those UKIP votes went BACK to Labour

It was clear that the Labour voters returned to the fold en masse after getting the Brexit result they wanted, the Tories were never a force at all

ye but ,75% of the tiny number of tory voters in your constituency voted leave

[johnxjsc1985]

Bill said:

Why would anyone other than Brexiteers vote her deal through? If they vote it down she has no choice but to go for a long delay (or the no deal she doesn't want). (And then resign hopefully...)

The EU do not want a long delay because we cannot remain members with no MEP's and elections are in MAY. The EU will give a short delay if her deal is passed. Its like a ticking time bomb and not sure if we should cut the blue wire or the red wire

[wc98]

Burwood said:

75%-I simply don’t believe that figure. 60, yes.

you're not the only one.

[Bill]

johnxjsc1985 said:

The EU do not want a long delay because we cannot remain members with no MEP's and elections are in MAY. The EU will give a short delay if her deal is passed. Its like a ticking time bomb and not sure if we should cut the blue wire or the red wire

Would they prefer no deal or an extension past May though?

[Camoradi]

johnxjsc1985 said:

you need better Friends
At this moment in time she is poised to remove Gordon Brown as the unluckiest PM in history. When Gordon was given the Keys the following day the Foot and mouth disaster happened followed by the Banking Crisis.

Foot and Mouth was 2001. Gordon Brown took over 2007. It wasn't that bad when he took over, it just seemed that way

[johnxjsc1985]

Camoradi said:

Foot and Mouth was 2001. Gordon Brown took over 2007. It wasn't that bad when he took over, it just seemed that way

maybe I was getting confused with him putting his foot in hismouth

[psi310398]

Bill said:

Would they prefer no deal or an extension past May though?

Neither. At the moment they think they can bully us into the WA as is.

They may well get no deal by accident instead.

[Camoradi]

johnxjsc1985 said:

Camoradi said:

Foot and Mouth was 2001. Gordon Brown took over 2007. It wasn't that bad when he took over, it just seemed that way

maybe I was getting confused with him putting his foot in hismouth

that'd be it

[don'tbesilly]

Bill said:

johnxjsc1985 said:

The EU do not want a long delay because we cannot remain members with no MEP's and elections are in MAY. The EU will give a short delay if her deal is passed. Its like a ticking time bomb and not sure if we should cut the blue wire or the red wire

Would they prefer no deal or an extension past May though?

I could have read something wrong but I don't think Tusk is offering a longer delay, the delay will be for crossing the 't's' and dotting the 'i's'.

I read it's either May's deal or the UK leaves without a deal, those are the 2 options.

[Earthdweller]

Varadkar announcement just now that May to address the nation tonight ?

Two of my feeds are saying she might be planning to resign

The plit thockens ?

[Bill]

don'tbesilly said:

I could have read something wrong but I don't think Tusk is offering a longer delay, the delay will be for crossing the 't's' and dotting the 'i's'.

Could be me that's wrong. The only certainty is the uncertainty.

[boxedin]

Earthdweller said:

Varadkar announcement just now that May to address the nation tonight ?

Two of my feeds are saying she might be planning to resign

The plit thockens ?

I suspect it will similar to the last time she appeared outside, ony restating 'my deal' is the the way forward.

[Earthdweller]

boxedin said:

Earthdweller said:

Varadkar announcement just now that May to address the nation tonight ?

Two of my feeds are saying she might be planning to resign

The plit thockens ?

I suspect it will similar to the last time she appeared outside, ony restating 'my deal' is the the way forward.

You have to give her due .. she’s that feckin stubborn she must be half mule

[Blackpuddin]

Earthdweller said:

boxedin said:

Earthdweller said:

Varadkar announcement just now that May to address the nation tonight ?

Two of my feeds are saying she might be planning to resign

The plit thockens ?

I suspect it will similar to the last time she appeared outside, ony restating 'my deal' is the the way forward.

You have to give her due .. she’s that feckin stubborn she must be half mule

She may be ousted by the party but if a GE was called tomorrow I bet she would get in no bother. Ordinary voters value and respect the attributes she is displaying and I think feel sorry for her, which whether we admit it or not is a powerful lever.

[Durzel]

boxedin said:

Earthdweller said:

Varadkar announcement just now that May to address the nation tonight ?

Two of my feeds are saying she might be planning to resign

The plit thockens ?

I suspect it will similar to the last time she appeared outside, ony restating 'my deal' is the the way forward.

+1

Having heard and seen everything from her, the idea that she would come out now and resign is rather fanciful.

Best case scenario is that she says if MPs vote for her deal that she'll put it to a public vote to decide whether the public want it, or no deal (or Remain ideally - though that would be contentious).

Worst case - and what I'm expecting - is her to just keep doing her head in the sand routine, ignoring the fact she has been knocked back comprehensively twice, and keep parroting about unifying the country, "delivering on Brexit" (even though her deal doesn't), etc.

I can forsee no reason she would suddenly show any less hubris or intransigence than she has up until now, unless she just breaks down.