Brexit: would you change your vote.
Discussion
colonel c said:
Leave. Better to be out before the whole project end up n tears and tatters. Close to half the populations of many EU countries are against it.
I'm not sure where you get the figures from, but I do have sympathy with this point, I think there's a lot of unease and disaffection throughout Europe at the moment and I think on many levels the EU has failed the citizens of Europe, but prosperity is ultimately the key in my view. It now seems inevitable that any from of Brexit will make us poorer, especially those people who used the referendum as a protest vote on austerity who will be even worse off outside the EU. I can't see a better solution than to stay in now and push for change from within, but I fully understand the frustration of people who wanted out.
Still Leave. Even more so if anything. Painted as some jolly trading club many years ago, the EU that we signed to has outgrown its remit. Utterly ridiculous situation, we should just get out now. I'm quite happy to be a bit poorer for a few years, money isn't everything and pride and autonomy counts for a lot.
I'd be amazed if the vote was rerun and the majority vote was leave, especially after the cock up May has made and the EU objections to everything.
I assume people would choose the path of least resistance which would be to stay, after all, isn't that what the EU wants?
Oh, I was a leaver and having seen through the EU / May tactics I still am.
I assume people would choose the path of least resistance which would be to stay, after all, isn't that what the EU wants?
Oh, I was a leaver and having seen through the EU / May tactics I still am.
I voted to remain but I could have voted to leave such was my lack of conviction one way or the other. If there was another referendum then I wouldn’t hesitate to vote leave purely because we’ve gone through a democratic process which should be honoured. The EU doesn’t do democracy as we’ve e seen in the past when a few countries voted against Maastricht but were told to have another go until the right result was obtained. If there is to be another referendum then there should not be a remain option on it just options on how we leave the EU and single customs agreement.
james-witton said:
I voted leave and I still believe that we would be better out of the EU.
However, recent events have left me with no confidence that our self-serving, myopic politicians could get a positive deal.
So if there was another referendum (don’t think that there will be) I would reluctantly change my vote.
What would you do?
I wouldn't change my vote.However, recent events have left me with no confidence that our self-serving, myopic politicians could get a positive deal.
So if there was another referendum (don’t think that there will be) I would reluctantly change my vote.
What would you do?
And lets face it, there would never ever be an agreeable positive deal, because different people want different and opposing things. This hasn't changed and never will, regardless of joining, leaving or something else.
As for re-voting, well what a waste that would be. How much effort and money has been spent getting this far. What a total waste it would be to turn tail at the last min.
The only course of action is forwards. Then allow time for things to settle down and review in 7-10 years (or more) time.
Voted remain.
Would vote remain again.
Can't figure out what the leave brigade honestly thought would happen other than an almighty clusterfk.
BUT
We can't keep holding referendum's every time people don't like the outcome - the country voted leave, we need to proceed as best as we can. We also voted in (well, just about) the current government to deliver it in the best way they see fit. If the next generation wish to re-join then that bridge can be crossed in years to come.
The problem at the moment is there are people who keep banging on about not wanting to leave, and on the other side are the hardliners who will be happy with nothing less than an exit which involves rolling up the drawbridge and lobbing a few nukes over the channel. What in hell this government or any other government is expected to do is beyond me, whatever option they go with will leave a lot of unhappy people.
Would vote remain again.
Can't figure out what the leave brigade honestly thought would happen other than an almighty clusterfk.
BUT
We can't keep holding referendum's every time people don't like the outcome - the country voted leave, we need to proceed as best as we can. We also voted in (well, just about) the current government to deliver it in the best way they see fit. If the next generation wish to re-join then that bridge can be crossed in years to come.
The problem at the moment is there are people who keep banging on about not wanting to leave, and on the other side are the hardliners who will be happy with nothing less than an exit which involves rolling up the drawbridge and lobbing a few nukes over the channel. What in hell this government or any other government is expected to do is beyond me, whatever option they go with will leave a lot of unhappy people.
vxr8mate said:
I'd be amazed if the vote was rerun and the majority vote was leave, especially after the cock up May has made and the EU objections to everything.
I assume people would choose the path of least resistance which would be to stay, after all, isn't that what the EU wants?
Oh, I was a leaver and having seen through the EU / May tactics I still am.
I'm also assuming that a fair few Leavers wouldn't bother voting next time, as they'd assume that a Leave result would just be ignored or massaged into eventually staying. Whereas Remain would get everyone out to make sure we stayed.I assume people would choose the path of least resistance which would be to stay, after all, isn't that what the EU wants?
Oh, I was a leaver and having seen through the EU / May tactics I still am.
james-witton said:
I voted leave and I still believe that we would be better out of the EU.
However, recent events have left me with no confidence that our self-serving, myopic politicians could get a positive deal.
So if there was another referendum (don’t think that there will be) I would reluctantly change my vote.
What would you do?
I agree with you. I'm not confident that we're better off out because we don't have anyone who can get us a better deal. I'm sure some people will benefit from it but the average person won't benefit from it even if they did vote out.However, recent events have left me with no confidence that our self-serving, myopic politicians could get a positive deal.
So if there was another referendum (don’t think that there will be) I would reluctantly change my vote.
What would you do?
Voted remain and would so again.
The EU isn't perfect but I've not seen or heard anything that would make my life materially better out of Europe. For the most part, the things the EU is striving to achieve in terms of social policy and harmonisation to enable seamless free trade and collective clout on a global stage are largely positive and collaborative and we benefitted from a pretty healthy ability to opt out of the stuff we really don't want to do anyway.
Being in the EU has never been an issue for me so it was a bit of a surprise in 2016 when we suddenly got a vote on it. I didn't think it was very high on the list of many people's day to day concerns other than the grumbles of Tory backbench agitators. The vote has basically stalled our country from meaningful progression on anything else for two years now, and probably for another 5 years in the future. And for what great benefit?
The EU isn't perfect but I've not seen or heard anything that would make my life materially better out of Europe. For the most part, the things the EU is striving to achieve in terms of social policy and harmonisation to enable seamless free trade and collective clout on a global stage are largely positive and collaborative and we benefitted from a pretty healthy ability to opt out of the stuff we really don't want to do anyway.
Being in the EU has never been an issue for me so it was a bit of a surprise in 2016 when we suddenly got a vote on it. I didn't think it was very high on the list of many people's day to day concerns other than the grumbles of Tory backbench agitators. The vote has basically stalled our country from meaningful progression on anything else for two years now, and probably for another 5 years in the future. And for what great benefit?
vxr8mate said:
I'd be amazed if the vote was rerun and the majority vote was leave, especially after the cock up May has made and the EU objections to everything.
I assume people would choose the path of least resistance which would be to stay, after all, isn't that what the EU wants?
Oh, I was a leaver and having seen through the EU / May tactics I still am.
IMHO - this is the plan all along. Make a total mess of it, make out your sticking by it so time runs out, then al last minute agree to hold some kind of in / out / stick it all about vote and hey presto, May and her cronies get their way.I assume people would choose the path of least resistance which would be to stay, after all, isn't that what the EU wants?
Oh, I was a leaver and having seen through the EU / May tactics I still am.
Textbook stuff!
bodhi said:
I was 60/40 for Leave at the time of the referendum, but seeing how the EU have behaved in the negotiations, and with rumblings of tax harmonisation and a European Army, it's now about 90/10 in favour of Leave.
Same here,the slow reveal of EU intentions has made me more leave.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff