Brexit Referendum - top two choices
Poll: Brexit Referendum - top two choices
Total Members Polled: 443
Discussion
My guess is that *if* another referendum is needed it will have three choices,, something like this
The PH poll won't calculate this automatically so I'll check in and update a "result" as we go along, if anyone can be arsed to get out of bed and vote
15:30 After 31 votes, Remain 36%, No Deal 46%, May 19%. May eliminated, giving No Deal 59% to Remain 42%. No Deal Winning
16:20 After 66 votes, Remain 30%, No Deal 48%, May 22%. May eliminated, giving No Deal 62% to Remain 38%. No Deal Winning
18:24 After 83 votes, Remain 28%, No Deal 52%, May 20%. No Deal wins outright
21:30 After 133 votes, Remain 28%, No Deal 50%, May 22%. May eliminated, giving No Deal 64% to Remain 36%. No Deal Winning
08:30 After 177 votes, Remain 30%, No Deal 48%, May 22%. May eliminated, giving No Deal 63% to Remain 37%. No Deal Winning
13:45 After 244 votes, Remain 34%, No Deal 46%, May 21%. May eliminated, giving No Deal 61% to Remain 40%. No Deal Winning
- May's deal
- No deal
- Remain
The PH poll won't calculate this automatically so I'll check in and update a "result" as we go along, if anyone can be arsed to get out of bed and vote
15:30 After 31 votes, Remain 36%, No Deal 46%, May 19%. May eliminated, giving No Deal 59% to Remain 42%. No Deal Winning
16:20 After 66 votes, Remain 30%, No Deal 48%, May 22%. May eliminated, giving No Deal 62% to Remain 38%. No Deal Winning
18:24 After 83 votes, Remain 28%, No Deal 52%, May 20%. No Deal wins outright
21:30 After 133 votes, Remain 28%, No Deal 50%, May 22%. May eliminated, giving No Deal 64% to Remain 36%. No Deal Winning
08:30 After 177 votes, Remain 30%, No Deal 48%, May 22%. May eliminated, giving No Deal 63% to Remain 37%. No Deal Winning
13:45 After 244 votes, Remain 34%, No Deal 46%, May 21%. May eliminated, giving No Deal 61% to Remain 40%. No Deal Winning
Edited by silentbrown on Wednesday 5th December 14:43
Your proposed 2nd ref question doesn't meet the guidelines IMO.
A referendum question should present the options clearly, simply and neutrally. So it should:
• be easy to understand
• be to the point
• be unambiguous
• avoid encouraging voters to consider one response more favourably than another
• avoid misleading voters
• Is the question written in plain language? That is, language that:
– uses short sentences (around 15–20 words)
– is simple, direct, and concise
– uses familiar words, and avoids jargon or technical terms that would not be easily understood by most people
• Is the question written in neutral language, avoiding words that suggest a judgement or opinion, either explicitly or implicitly?
• Is the information contained in the question factual, describing the question and the options clearly and accurately?
• Does the question avoid assuming anything about voters’ views?
A referendum question should present the options clearly, simply and neutrally. So it should:
• be easy to understand
• be to the point
• be unambiguous
• avoid encouraging voters to consider one response more favourably than another
• avoid misleading voters
• Is the question written in plain language? That is, language that:
– uses short sentences (around 15–20 words)
– is simple, direct, and concise
– uses familiar words, and avoids jargon or technical terms that would not be easily understood by most people
• Is the question written in neutral language, avoiding words that suggest a judgement or opinion, either explicitly or implicitly?
• Is the information contained in the question factual, describing the question and the options clearly and accurately?
• Does the question avoid assuming anything about voters’ views?
silentbrown said:
My guess is that *if* another referendum is needed it will have three choices,, something like this
The PH poll won't calculate this automatically so I'll check in and update a "result", if anyone can be arsed to get out of bed and vote
The only way it could work is May's deal vs no deal, since the Remain option was eliminated in the previous vote. In fact, if that was the case I'd almost be willing to support the idea, just to see the reaction from those who claim to want one for the sake of democracy but won't admit they just want the previous vote overturned.- May's deal
- No deal
- Remain
The PH poll won't calculate this automatically so I'll check in and update a "result", if anyone can be arsed to get out of bed and vote
I can't see no deal being an option.
I really don't see how remain could be either. There's no government that would take it on. Labour certainly wouldn't. I guess the only one would be the existing one if it can hang together.
Colour me stumped.
I really don't see how remain could be either. There's no government that would take it on. Labour certainly wouldn't. I guess the only one would be the existing one if it can hang together.
Colour me stumped.
Edited by bloomen on Tuesday 4th December 15:31
As per the original referendum, I have (as a casually interested voter) tried to find out a neatly packaged, impartial, point-by-point summary of the various deals and the associated implications. As per the original referendum, the information isn't good enough for me to decide. Hence as per the original referendum, I would tend to lean towards the status quo... except I don't even know what that is anymore.
Leicester Loyal said:
But by having 3 choices, it's splitting up votes.
It should be leave with no deal or leave with May's deal, we've already chosen to leave.
Assuming everyone who votes remain as first choice would instead then vote for their second, we can see if that would make a difference to the outcome. It should be leave with no deal or leave with May's deal, we've already chosen to leave.
Some very significant developments today.
1. The legal opinion that A50 can be revoked meaning that the deal we have can be unilaterally retained by the UK should parliament wish. We keep the rebate, no euro or Schengen,
2. The Grieve amendment this evening effectively takes "no deal" off the table.
A second referendum therefore would be either a defeated May deal versus remain, or some other deal cobbled together within the 21 days post the defeat of the May deal versus remain.
No other combination possible based on the current will of parliament.
Personally, if May defeated in parliament I can see her revoking A50.
"back to square one"
1. The legal opinion that A50 can be revoked meaning that the deal we have can be unilaterally retained by the UK should parliament wish. We keep the rebate, no euro or Schengen,
2. The Grieve amendment this evening effectively takes "no deal" off the table.
A second referendum therefore would be either a defeated May deal versus remain, or some other deal cobbled together within the 21 days post the defeat of the May deal versus remain.
No other combination possible based on the current will of parliament.
Personally, if May defeated in parliament I can see her revoking A50.
"back to square one"
Edited by Helicopter123 on Tuesday 4th December 20:59
amusingduck said:
Your proposed 2nd ref question doesn't meet the guidelines IMO.
A referendum question should present the options clearly, simply and neutrally. So it should:
• be easy to understand
• be to the point
• be unambiguous
• avoid encouraging voters to consider one response more favourably than another
• avoid misleading voters
• Is the question written in plain language? That is, language that:
– uses short sentences (around 15–20 words)
– is simple, direct, and concise
– uses familiar words, and avoids jargon or technical terms that would not be easily understood by most people
• Is the question written in neutral language, avoiding words that suggest a judgement or opinion, either explicitly or implicitly?
• Is the information contained in the question factual, describing the question and the options clearly and accurately?
• Does the question avoid assuming anything about voters’ views?
The first referendum failed on those grounds, so it's a bit of a moot point, surely?A referendum question should present the options clearly, simply and neutrally. So it should:
• be easy to understand
• be to the point
• be unambiguous
• avoid encouraging voters to consider one response more favourably than another
• avoid misleading voters
• Is the question written in plain language? That is, language that:
– uses short sentences (around 15–20 words)
– is simple, direct, and concise
– uses familiar words, and avoids jargon or technical terms that would not be easily understood by most people
• Is the question written in neutral language, avoiding words that suggest a judgement or opinion, either explicitly or implicitly?
• Is the information contained in the question factual, describing the question and the options clearly and accurately?
• Does the question avoid assuming anything about voters’ views?
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