Brexit Referendum - top two choices

[technodup]

I pressed the button before I read the question, so no deal should be further ahead.

[olimain]

silentbrown said:

olimain said:

I thought I'd read the police had it at 250k

"The Metropolitan Police said it was not able to estimate the size of the crowd."

Ah ok, maybe that was on here/in the MSM somewhere.

[Russian Troll Bot]

olimain said:

Piha said:

My mistake, it was reported as 700000....!!!

Anyway, how many will turn up for the Brexit march?

Shall we have a poll?

I thought I'd read the police had it at 250k - regardless of the exact figure I'd imagine the pro Brexit one to be far smaller, wouldn't you? Even moreso as I believe it's being organised by some pretty dubious characters who most people wouldn't want to associate themselves with.

Regardless of numbers, I'd expect it to have the exact same effect as all the previous marches/protests/daily e-petitions. Sod all.

Even if we go with the highest figure of 700k, and assume every single one of them was a registered voter (which they clearly weren't), that's only about 1/3 of the number of Londoners who voted Remain

[neil1jnr]

olimain said:

Piha said:

My mistake, it was reported as 700000....!!!

Anyway, how many will turn up for the Brexit march?

Shall we have a poll?

I thought I'd read the police had it at 250k - regardless of the exact figure I'd imagine the pro Brexit one to be far smaller, wouldn't you? Even moreso as I believe it's being organised by some pretty dubious characters who most people wouldn't want to associate themselves with.

Regardless of numbers, I'd expect it to have the exact same effect as all the previous marches/protests/daily e-petitions. Sod all.

The pro-Brexit one would definitely be far smaller, those campaigning/marching the streets for a peoples vote obviously haven't got anything better to do with their time. Frankly there shouldn't be a need for any pro-Brexit campaign because the people have had their vote and should expect UK parliament to deliver brexit, deal or no deal. Personally I find the peoples vote laughable and would not want to be associated with any of the sore losers.

If we truly live in a democracy then what you expect is correct, nothing will happen thanks to these ridiculous marches, they will have no effect. Like I said previously, toys thrown out the pram.

Who are these dubious characters you speak of that are pro-Brexit?

[Piha]

Russian Troll Bot said:

Even if we go with the highest figure of 700k, and assume every single one of them was a registered voter (which they clearly weren't), that's only about 1/3 of the number of Londoners who voted Remain

So RTB, what is your estimate for the Brexit march turnout?

[olimain]

neil1jnr said:

The pro-Brexit one would definitely be far smaller, those campaigning/marching the streets for a peoples vote obviously haven't got anything better to do with their time. Frankly there shouldn't be a need for any pro-Brexit campaign because the people have had their vote and should expect UK parliament to deliver brexit, deal or no deal. Personally I find the peoples vote laughable and would not want to be associated with any of the sore losers.

If we truly live in a democracy then what you expect is correct, nothing will happen thanks to these ridiculous marches, they will have no effect. Like I said previously, toys thrown out the pram.

Who are these dubious characters you speak of that are pro-Brexit?

It's being organised by the current UKIP crowd aided by Tommy Robinson and Daniel Thomas (previously in prison for attempted kidnap)

[Russian Troll Bot]

Piha said:

Russian Troll Bot said:

Even if we go with the highest figure of 700k, and assume every single one of them was a registered voter (which they clearly weren't), that's only about 1/3 of the number of Londoners who voted Remain

So RTB, what is your estimate for the Brexit march turnout?

Unless it was more than 17.4 million, I don't really care

[Camoradi]

tight fart said:

How many more referendums should we have?

If there's another and it's 52 to 48 to stay in, then by the remainers reasoning thats not good enough.

So best of 3 or maybe 5 in total?

We should have one every 4 years, like the Olympics or World Cup. Just leaves time for 1 year of truculent foot stamping by the losing side, article 50/revocation of article 50, two years leaving/re-entry negotiations, 1 year of deep soul searching and regret and then back in for another people's vote.

I'm definitely up for endless Brexit / Brexinagain

[Penelope Stopit]

This is a no goer. Brexit will happen

[WCZ]

Piha said:

So RTB, what is your estimate for the Brexit march turnout?

I'd be impressed if they got more than 40k

[neil1jnr]

olimain said:

It's being organised by the current UKIP crowd aided by Tommy Robinson and Daniel Thomas (previously in prison for attempted kidnap)

That's a shame if he is involved with UKIP as I am not a fan. I think however every party has their dark side and it wouldn't take long to cherry pick examples from other parties.

Personally I think the most dangerous person in politics is Diane Abbott, an amateur that reminds me of a child with learning difficulties. She is completely incompetent and should resign with immediate effect, but I don't think she has the capacity to understand what resign means.

[NoNeed]

Piha said:

neil1jnr said:

Piha said:

neil1jnr said:

Vanden Saab said:

Piha said:

Helicopter123 said:

City_boy said:

Piha said:

Then maybe you should ask yourself if the tories included any declaration of aims or policy in that manifesto that they clearly had little control over.

Surely you don't believe everything a political party says just to gain votes?

There were some quite explicit requirements, yes. Can I assume you don’t know what these were?

The Tories were elected to deliver a Brexit deal.

May has concluded the negotiations and her deal is now in front of parliament.

I do believe that Helicopter123 is correct. It is time for the Brexiteers to get behind TM and support her Brexit deal. If you don't give TM your support then I expect a Peoples Vote and who knows what result you might get.

It is up to you Brexit supporters, it's your choice. You have your deal, it's the best on offer, now support TM or risk losing your beloved Brexit to the Remain brigades!

Ha ha rejecting May's deal is win win win for us. If it is rejected the options are go back and get a deal that is acceptable. Leave with no deal or cancel brexit which will result in a brexit party being formed that will take us out after the next election.

No deal is the best option. May did an awful job. Don't get me started on 'a peoples vote'. We have had that in 2016 remember, the people have made their decision. Regardless which way you voted we have to leave.

The Peoples Vote is coming. 640000 people took to the streets the capital to protest this. A million + signed the petition that was delivered to parliament this week.

Lets see how many join the Brexit march...........

It's a disgrace. 640,000 babies throwing their toys out of the pram, how mature.

My mistake, it was reported as 700000....!!!

Anyway, how many will turn up for the Brexit march?

Shall we have a poll?

1.6 million signed to stop the trump visit, thankfully he didn't listen

[anonymous-user]

Helicopter123 said:

There is no limit to holding referendums on any matter, although they are less common in a parliamentary democracy.

The key is the word democracy.

People are entitled to change their minds, after all, wouldn't you agree?

Only after the result of the referendum (leave the EU) has been enacted, otherwise what’s the point of voting in the first place? I’d happily vote again in a couple of years time.

[JagLover]

Piha said:

My mistake, it was reported as 700000....!!!

Anyway, how many will turn up for the Brexit march?

Shall we have a poll?

The 670,000 figure came from the organisers. Unlike with past marches the Police don't provide crowd estimates any more.

https://fullfact.org/news/did-670000-march-peoples...

[amgmcqueen]

I would be happy to have another referendum if the options were:

1) Leave with no deal (WTO).

2) Remain.

[JuanCarlosFandango]

amgmcqueen said:

I would be happy to have another referendum if the options were:

1) Leave with no deal (WTO).

2) Remain.

You must have been pretty chuffed with the one we had in 2016 then? The one where it was widely predicted that we wouldn't get a satisfactory deal with the EU and would end up being on WTO terms with all the terrible consequences predicted by well qualified experts. And you must have been delighted we avoided the sudden and deep recession that would follow a vote to leave.

[B'stard Child]

Sparkyhd said:

I'm leaning towards cancelling Article 50, remaining for a day then re-declare Article 50 and spend 2 years planning for a no deal exit.

Very clever 10/10

[saaby93]

It looks like Mays deal comes out as a good proportion of peoples second choice
A choice voting system is good idea because people can think well I didnt get my first choice but at least I got my second

[saaby93]

If you add peoples first and second choices

Remain 58%
TM's deal 69%
No deal 71%

Am I doing this right?

[silentbrown]

saaby93 said:

A choice voting system is good idea because people can think well I didnt get my first choice but at least I got my second

At least I got my second choice in the first referendum

The way this works is that the least popular first choice gets eliminated - and that's May's deal, and then those votes are transferred to the specifed second choice.

So, "first round" counts would be
No Deal : 45%
Remain: 33%
May : 21%

After May's deal is eliminated we'd get...
No Deal : 60%
Remain: 39%

Rounding errors, so nothing adds up to 100...