Brexit Referendum - top two choices

[Cold]

*Stop cocking about and just get on with it.

[B'stard Child]

Cold said:

*Stop cocking about and just get on with it.

I think they want the cocking about to continue long enough for the majority of voters in the UK to say FFS please make it stop - however you like

Bit like this meme shared just after the referendum

[NoNeed]

Remain in the EU in its current form has already been rejected, so unless the EU would reform to offer something different it should never be on the ballet

[B'stard Child]

NoNeed said:

Remain in the EU in its current form has already been rejected, so unless the EU would reform to offer something different it should never be on the ballet

But it will be because a whole bunch of useless shysters in Parliament are stting themselves at the prospect of the process going bad

[NoNeed]

B'stard Child said:

NoNeed said:

Remain in the EU in its current form has already been rejected, so unless the EU would reform to offer something different it should never be on the ballet

But it will be because a whole bunch of useless shysters in Parliament are stting themselves at the prospect of the process going bad

I agree, it was our own weak leaders that have allowed the things we don't like to happen and until we get a leader with a backbone the EU issue will never be gone

[B'stard Child]

NoNeed said:

B'stard Child said:

NoNeed said:

Remain in the EU in its current form has already been rejected, so unless the EU would reform to offer something different it should never be on the ballet

But it will be because a whole bunch of useless shysters in Parliament are stting themselves at the prospect of the process going bad

I agree, it was our own weak leaders that have allowed the things we don't like to happen and until we get a leader with a backbone the EU issue will never be gone

They've had the excuse of blame the EU for way to long

They won't have that excuse if we ever leave - this probably worries them more than the financial consequences to UK PLC

[philv]

NoNeed said:

Remain in the EU in its current form has already been rejected, so unless the EU would reform to offer something different it should never be on the ballet

It doesn’t hurt to double check and ask again.

[NoNeed]

philv said:

It doesn’t hurt to double check and ask again.

funny how remainers say this yet didn't want us aske when the treaties like lisbon were signed.

Why is that?

[Helicopter123]

NoNeed said:

philv said:

It doesn’t hurt to double check and ask again.

funny how remainers say this yet didn't want us aske when the treaties like lisbon were signed.

Why is that?

A democracy where the people cannot change their mind is no longer a democracy.

[Helicopter123]

NoNeed said:

B'stard Child said:

NoNeed said:

Remain in the EU in its current form has already been rejected, so unless the EU would reform to offer something different it should never be on the ballet

But it will be because a whole bunch of useless shysters in Parliament are stting themselves at the prospect of the process going bad

I agree, it was our own weak leaders that have allowed the things we don't like to happen and until we get a leader with a backbone the EU issue will never be gone

Disagree, it was the Brexiteers who ran away when they couldn’t find the unicorns that were promised to the electorate that are solely to blame. Others were simply left to pick up the pieces.

[silentbrown]

B'stard Child said:

Genuine question on 1st and second choice voting (I know not normal for me)

But if you have to put a 1 and a 2 by the choices is just putting a 1 against one option (and not specifying a second choice at all) a spoiled ballot?

I'd expect your vote would be counted in the first round, but if your choice was then eliminated, the vote wouldn't be transferred.

Sometimes where voting like this is used there's a "None of the above" option, which can never be eliminated, regardless of where it comes. So if you would only countenance No Deal, you'd put that as #1 and "None of the above" as #2. "None of the above" can actually win a vote.

[PRTVR]

Helicopter123 said:

NoNeed said:

philv said:

It doesn’t hurt to double check and ask again.

funny how remainers say this yet didn't want us aske when the treaties like lisbon were signed.

Why is that?

A democracy where the people cannot change their mind is no longer a democracy.

But who decides that the people have changed their mind and a second referendum is necessary? Do we stop at two and why, people can change their mind all the time, permanent referendums it is then, or is it finished when the original vote is overturned as most people suspect.

[Biker 1]

British elections are almost always a yes or no type voting choice - are there other instances of 2nd/3rd choice recounts as proposed by some here?
Anyway, it looks like cancellation of Brexit by stealth however you look at it, with Mrs May the fall-guy. I wonder sometimes if she's been made an offer she couldn't refuse to end up where we are - a large payment from some secret donors perhaps?
Our faux democracy is pretty much in its death-throes....

[Helicopter123]

PRTVR said:

Helicopter123 said:

NoNeed said:

philv said:

It doesn’t hurt to double check and ask again.

funny how remainers say this yet didn't want us aske when the treaties like lisbon were signed.

Why is that?

A democracy where the people cannot change their mind is no longer a democracy.

But who decides that the people have changed their mind and a second referendum is necessary? Do we stop at two and why, people can change their mind all the time, permanent referendums it is then, or is it finished when the original vote is overturned as most people suspect.

We regularly have elections in this country. Any party winning an election with a manifesto pledge to hold a referendum on any matter should be allowed to proceed. Tories and SNP both recent examples.

[Biker 1]

Helicopter123 said:

We regularly have elections in this country. Any party winning an election with a manifesto pledge to hold a referendum on any matter should be allowed to proceed. Tories and SNP both recent examples.

Not sure that was in the tory 2017 manifesto. In fact, I seem to recall something about leaving the EU.

[Piha]

Theresa May! Boris Johnson! Jaxon Rees Mogg! James Dyson! David Davies! Nigel Farage!

Your Brexit took one hell of a beating yesterday!

But today is another day so let's see what the politicians have for us today. I hope that the Remain brigades haven't started their fightback too early. I'm concerned that we might galvanise the various Leave factions into one coherent group that will vote TM's deal through.

[JagLover]

Biker 1 said:

Anyway, it looks like cancellation of Brexit by stealth however you look at it, with Mrs May the fall-guy. I wonder sometimes if she's been made an offer she couldn't refuse to end up where we are - a large payment from some secret donors perhaps?
Our faux democracy is pretty much in its death-throes....

They see little need for secrecy.

If you look at the last political leaders we have had virtually all of them have received more money after they have left office than they received in salary whilst in office, often far more. This is via "consultancy" and after dinner speeches mainly.

Such largesse only available to those who toe the line of course. I doubt Corbyn can expect such a well remunerated retirement.

[silentbrown]

Biker 1 said:

British elections are almost always a yes or no type voting choice - are there other instances of 2nd/3rd choice recounts as proposed by some here?

Some examples here.
https://fullfact.org/news/scottish-independence-ar...

The "transferable vote" system basically combines the a three-choice referendum and a subsequent "run-off" between the two top preferences. It avoids the need for multiple votes and easily scales to any number of choices.

[basherX]

After quite a lot of soul searching I voted to leave in the referendum. I’ve been against a second vote because I believed it would be divisive and likely similarly inconclusive in terms of specificity. However looking at what’s going on now I can’t see any other option.

As to the question? Well, Labour had their chance to take power and run the process but failed to get elected in the GE. All of the various factions in the Conservative party have had ample opportunity to enforce a change of leader but couldn’t get the 48 people they need to do so. May remains in seat and has agreed a deal, however flawed.

So for me I think the question would be: do you want this deal or do you want to revert to the status quo ante (ie membership in current terms *and* critically for me the existing direction of travel which as of yesterday seems a viable option).

I’m realistic that in practice the divisions and unhappiness remain whatever course is taken.

[Russian Troll Bot]

PRTVR said:

Helicopter123 said:

NoNeed said:

philv said:

It doesn’t hurt to double check and ask again.

funny how remainers say this yet didn't want us aske when the treaties like lisbon were signed.

Why is that?

A democracy where the people cannot change their mind is no longer a democracy.

But who decides that the people have changed their mind and a second referendum is necessary? Do we stop at two and why, people can change their mind all the time, permanent referendums it is then, or is it finished when the original vote is overturned as most people suspect.

I predict that referendums will be deemed necessary until we vote to remain in the EU