How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 6)
Discussion
If my children were smoking crack, I'd do my best to help them out and stop them.
Just consider that the MPs are doing what's best for the country (their job), even if you don't want them to because of your weirdo self destructive streak.
Chalk brexit up alongside the death penalty, something that the public support that sensible-thinking people can see is hugely problematic.
Just consider that the MPs are doing what's best for the country (their job), even if you don't want them to because of your weirdo self destructive streak.
Chalk brexit up alongside the death penalty, something that the public support that sensible-thinking people can see is hugely problematic.
kayc said:
I actually found it hard watching European leaders on Remembrance day trying to show respect to the millions that fell for freedom twice ..they now try and f
k the country that gave them that ..respect should be more than laying a few poppies.
Never realised that Britain single handedly won WW1 and WW2. Cheers for the history lesson.k the country that gave them that ..respect should be more than laying a few poppies.I will, as always, be quite honest and say i voted Leave as it was to my immediate benefit at the time - instant pay rise.
I am utterly of the school of thought that the British version of democracy is most resilient, evolved and strongest because it is based on the collective of millions of individual selfish votes. That way reveals as best as possible the best path for the country.
As such, now I have to say I am not economically fussed either way if we stay or remain. Neither is actually more beneficial for me. I’m now back in the uk, I earn here currently but a large amount of my work is European based. Certain announcements by T May recently with respect to European work, actually massively benefit me. I can also quite easily take my next contract in Europe in the new year.
So the economic aspect is for me off the agenda.
Politically wise - and with my old historian and political analysis hat on - I have no problem with Parliament thoroughly discussing Brexit and proposals. All such proposals need to be absolutely debated and investigated to death. What cannot happen though is that Parliament oppose a Referendum result. That is a disastrous outcome. The civic ructions we see now are but a minor foretaste that will happen in the medium term under such a thing.
Far far better all round is that the politicians go back to the country. A second Refendum is viable in this case or a General Election. There are different ways such a thing can go, but it must be some form of formal question to the country.
And yes I would absolutely risk Corbyn in order that Democracy is maintained. We are a piss poor country and electorate if we cannot accept that. And I refuse to believe we are that poor a country.
I am utterly of the school of thought that the British version of democracy is most resilient, evolved and strongest because it is based on the collective of millions of individual selfish votes. That way reveals as best as possible the best path for the country.
As such, now I have to say I am not economically fussed either way if we stay or remain. Neither is actually more beneficial for me. I’m now back in the uk, I earn here currently but a large amount of my work is European based. Certain announcements by T May recently with respect to European work, actually massively benefit me. I can also quite easily take my next contract in Europe in the new year.
So the economic aspect is for me off the agenda.
Politically wise - and with my old historian and political analysis hat on - I have no problem with Parliament thoroughly discussing Brexit and proposals. All such proposals need to be absolutely debated and investigated to death. What cannot happen though is that Parliament oppose a Referendum result. That is a disastrous outcome. The civic ructions we see now are but a minor foretaste that will happen in the medium term under such a thing.
Far far better all round is that the politicians go back to the country. A second Refendum is viable in this case or a General Election. There are different ways such a thing can go, but it must be some form of formal question to the country.
And yes I would absolutely risk Corbyn in order that Democracy is maintained. We are a piss poor country and electorate if we cannot accept that. And I refuse to believe we are that poor a country.
dai1983 said:
Never realised that Britain single handedly won WW1 and WW2. Cheers for the history lesson.
I don't recall saying that but history would suggest we had a small part to play
..and unfortunately especially for those that threw their lives away looks like it will be proved to be a wasted effort Edited by kayc on Wednesday 5th December 11:01
pgh said:
How about stop assuming you know what other people think? You'll find no support from the death penalty from me. Plenty of support for Brexit though.
I think staying in the EU is the direct equivalent of your drug taking children analogy.
He was born with that particular habit, it is hard for him to understand being off his "drug" so have sympathy.I think staying in the EU is the direct equivalent of your drug taking children analogy.
pgh said:
How about stop assuming you know what other people think? You'll find no support from the death penalty from me. Plenty of support for Brexit though.
I think staying in the EU is the direct equivalent of your drug taking children analogy.
nothing in what I wrote indicates any assumption about what any individual thinks, only facts about what the general public think en masse. I think staying in the EU is the direct equivalent of your drug taking children analogy.
kayc said:
dai1983 said:
Never realised that Britain single handedly won WW1 and WW2. Cheers for the history lesson.
I don't recall saying that but history would suggest we had a small part to playtoppstuff said:
But your suggestion that EU leaders are insincere about their respect for those lost is an imbecilic thing to say.
In your opinion of course..they know we want to leave as we voted for that ..if they were true allies/friends as you imply they would make that task easy..instead they try to punish us for the audacity of once again trying to be a free nation.This has probably already been pointed out, but I missed it before (mentioned on 5 Live) : HMG Referendum leaflet
HMG Referendum leaflet says said:
This is your decision. The Government will implement what you decide.
or was this just another fib ...City_boy said:
‘En masse’ they wanted to leave the EU.
obviously, that's what we're talking about. Unfortunately 'en masse' the electorate is making the wrong choice for the country and most probably themselves as individuals too. Remember, the areas that receive highest levels of EU funding were also those that voted most strongly to leave. 
MikeyC said:
This has probably already been pointed out, but I missed it before (mentioned on 5 Live) : HMG Referendum leaflet
That was a Government leaflet.HMG Referendum leaflet says said:
This is your decision. The Government will implement what you decide.
or was this just another fib ...The current discussions are in Parliament
Polite M135 driver said:
obviously, that's what we're talking about. Unfortunately 'en masse' the electorate is making the wrong choice for the country and most probably themselves as individuals too. Remember, the areas that receive highest levels of EU funding were also those that voted most strongly to leave.
1. You are entitled to your opinion. Plenty of people would disagree 2. No, they don’t receive any funding from the EU, it comes from the UK. Presenting it as fact is simply wrong.
Edited by City_boy on Wednesday 5th December 11:09
kayc said:
n your opinion of course..they know we want to leave as we voted for that ..if they were true allies/friends as you imply they would make that task easy..instead they try to punish us for the audacity of once again trying to be a free nation.
And remember, that freedom was given away without the consent of the nation. Puggit said:
My prediction? Both Labour and Conservative votes will fall apart spectacularly if Brexit is overturned by parliament. New parties will be here soon.
Mrs Puggit pretends that the electorate voted for more Europe in each general election because they voted for the major parties - when there was no real choice. There will be new parties to replace the old - because the old will not be trusted.
Brexit may be averted in the short term. The UK political landscape would never be the same afterwards.
Long term that's probably a good thing, maybe part of natural evolution as currently nothing actually changes year in year out. Only definite is that we pay more tax and product prices / bills go up, not in line with wage packets. Has to come to and one day as the math no longer works infinitely.Mrs Puggit pretends that the electorate voted for more Europe in each general election because they voted for the major parties - when there was no real choice. There will be new parties to replace the old - because the old will not be trusted.
Brexit may be averted in the short term. The UK political landscape would never be the same afterwards.
The current bunch are a national embarrassment who's behaviour wouldn't be tolerated very long in the private sector. We've ended up with a circus where the only performers are clowns. Who could say hand on heart they are happy to vote either labour or con?
City_boy said:
Polite M135 driver said:
obviously, that's what we're talking about. Unfortunately 'en masse' the electorate is making the wrong choice for the country and most probably themselves as individuals too. Remember, the areas that receive highest levels of EU funding were also those that voted most strongly to leave.
1. You are entitled to your opinion. Plenty of people would disagree 2. No, they don’t receive any funding from the EU, it comes from the UK.
kayc said:
toppstuff said:
But your suggestion that EU leaders are insincere about their respect for those lost is an imbecilic thing to say.
In your opinion of course..they know we want to leave as we voted for that ..if they were true allies/friends as you imply they would make that task easy..instead they try to punish us for the audacity of once again trying to be a free nation.You also fundamentally ignores the reason why the EU was created in the first place and why they are sad we want to leave.
City_boy said:
Polite M135 driver said:
obviously, that's what we're talking about. Unfortunately 'en masse' the electorate is making the wrong choice for the country and most probably themselves as individuals too. Remember, the areas that receive highest levels of EU funding were also those that voted most strongly to leave.
1. You are entitled to your opinion. Plenty of people would disagree 2. No, they don’t receive any funding from the EU, it comes from the UK.
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