Triple child killer cleared for release
Discussion
Does anyone know if this fine upstanding rehabilitated member of society has been released as yet.
I understand it was to happen before Christmas.
Then again I suppose his release will be a closely guarded secret and he will be dumped on some unsuspecting community somewhere.
It hasn't been disclosed whether he will be operating under a new identity.
If he doesn't it's only a matter of time before the press/ public find him and I think we all know what will happen then.
Incidentally after the farce with the Parole Board and the Wourbuoys case they are now trying to regain public confidence and are attempting to be more open and transparent.
As a result of this I requested a summary of the decision making process with regard to McGreavy.
amongst other things one phrase I found interesting was that he has a network of close friends in the community who will support him.!!!
I wondered how anyone banged up can develop such friends.
Or has he been on periods of release prior to this decision.
Where would this community be?
It suggests it's been known where he's going to be released to for some time otherwise how would you know which community to develop friends with.
I just wonder about the status and background of people wishing to make friends with this character.
Finally I responded back to the Parole Board with a thank you for their prompt reply.
I made a suggestion that maybe one way to restore public confidence in the Parole Board using McGreavy as an example would be to release him and relocate him in the community where one of the panel making this decision lives. Preferably next door or across the road.
Also using McGreavy as the example to undertake to have him child minding/ baby sitting their children or grandchildren.
Needless to say I haven't the courtesy of a reply.
They must still be working on it.
I think we know the answer but of course they won't put their money where their mouth is.
Until they make things like that happen why should the public have any faith in their decisions.
Obviously they don't have.
I understand it was to happen before Christmas.
Then again I suppose his release will be a closely guarded secret and he will be dumped on some unsuspecting community somewhere.
It hasn't been disclosed whether he will be operating under a new identity.
If he doesn't it's only a matter of time before the press/ public find him and I think we all know what will happen then.
Incidentally after the farce with the Parole Board and the Wourbuoys case they are now trying to regain public confidence and are attempting to be more open and transparent.
As a result of this I requested a summary of the decision making process with regard to McGreavy.
amongst other things one phrase I found interesting was that he has a network of close friends in the community who will support him.!!!
I wondered how anyone banged up can develop such friends.
Or has he been on periods of release prior to this decision.
Where would this community be?
It suggests it's been known where he's going to be released to for some time otherwise how would you know which community to develop friends with.
I just wonder about the status and background of people wishing to make friends with this character.
Finally I responded back to the Parole Board with a thank you for their prompt reply.
I made a suggestion that maybe one way to restore public confidence in the Parole Board using McGreavy as an example would be to release him and relocate him in the community where one of the panel making this decision lives. Preferably next door or across the road.
Also using McGreavy as the example to undertake to have him child minding/ baby sitting their children or grandchildren.
Needless to say I haven't the courtesy of a reply.
They must still be working on it.
I think we know the answer but of course they won't put their money where their mouth is.
Until they make things like that happen why should the public have any faith in their decisions.
Obviously they don't have.
Volvo1956 said:
Does anyone know if this fine upstanding rehabilitated member of society has been released as yet.
I understand it was to happen before Christmas.
Then again I suppose his release will be a closely guarded secret and he will be dumped on some unsuspecting community somewhere.
It hasn't been disclosed whether he will be operating under a new identity.
If he doesn't it's only a matter of time before the press/ public find him and I think we all know what will happen then.
Incidentally after the farce with the Parole Board and the Wourbuoys case they are now trying to regain public confidence and are attempting to be more open and transparent.
As a result of this I requested a summary of the decision making process with regard to McGreavy.
amongst other things one phrase I found interesting was that he has a network of close friends in the community who will support him.!!!
I wondered how anyone banged up can develop such friends.
Or has he been on periods of release prior to this decision.
Where would this community be?
It suggests it's been known where he's going to be released to for some time otherwise how would you know which community to develop friends with.
I just wonder about the status and background of people wishing to make friends with this character.
Finally I responded back to the Parole Board with a thank you for their prompt reply.
I made a suggestion that maybe one way to restore public confidence in the Parole Board using McGreavy as an example would be to release him and relocate him in the community where one of the panel making this decision lives. Preferably next door or across the road.
Also using McGreavy as the example to undertake to have him child minding/ baby sitting their children or grandchildren.
Needless to say I haven't the courtesy of a reply.
They must still be working on it.
I think we know the answer but of course they won't put their money where their mouth is.
Until they make things like that happen why should the public have any faith in their decisions.
Obviously they don't have.
Re bold. Nah, 'after' Xmas. You know that nice period of joyfulness when everyone is taking no notice and too busy with their lives.I understand it was to happen before Christmas.
Then again I suppose his release will be a closely guarded secret and he will be dumped on some unsuspecting community somewhere.
It hasn't been disclosed whether he will be operating under a new identity.
If he doesn't it's only a matter of time before the press/ public find him and I think we all know what will happen then.
Incidentally after the farce with the Parole Board and the Wourbuoys case they are now trying to regain public confidence and are attempting to be more open and transparent.
As a result of this I requested a summary of the decision making process with regard to McGreavy.
amongst other things one phrase I found interesting was that he has a network of close friends in the community who will support him.!!!
I wondered how anyone banged up can develop such friends.
Or has he been on periods of release prior to this decision.
Where would this community be?
It suggests it's been known where he's going to be released to for some time otherwise how would you know which community to develop friends with.
I just wonder about the status and background of people wishing to make friends with this character.
Finally I responded back to the Parole Board with a thank you for their prompt reply.
I made a suggestion that maybe one way to restore public confidence in the Parole Board using McGreavy as an example would be to release him and relocate him in the community where one of the panel making this decision lives. Preferably next door or across the road.
Also using McGreavy as the example to undertake to have him child minding/ baby sitting their children or grandchildren.
Needless to say I haven't the courtesy of a reply.
They must still be working on it.
I think we know the answer but of course they won't put their money where their mouth is.
Until they make things like that happen why should the public have any faith in their decisions.
Obviously they don't have.
Thought I'd have a search, probably The Sun would be best as wasn't it them who got the judicial review on Worboys? (not Wourbuoys!
)Ah yes, it was. Really not a bad write up for 'the Sun'.
Here you go.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7903083/david-mcgrea...
edit
F hell just re-read all that in the Sun. What an evil b
d he was (is!), makes Brady and Hindley sound like saints. Edited by dandarez on Saturday 15th December 21:06
Not a bad person really. He'd been drinking and one of the kids was crying so every justification to kill all three!!!!
The main thing is the Panel on the Parole Board don't think he poses a significant risk to the public.
By default that means he poses some risk.... that could be nasty.
He's had counselling and been told he did wrong!!
He's much calmer and learned to control his temper.
Not much choice in prison.
They must have a crystal ball to be able to see how he's going to behave outside.
All very reassuring.
Anyway he's coming to a street near someone it could just be you.
The main thing is the Panel on the Parole Board don't think he poses a significant risk to the public.
By default that means he poses some risk.... that could be nasty.
He's had counselling and been told he did wrong!!
He's much calmer and learned to control his temper.
Not much choice in prison.
They must have a crystal ball to be able to see how he's going to behave outside.
All very reassuring.
Anyway he's coming to a street near someone it could just be you.
Volvo1956 said:
Not a bad person really. He'd been drinking and one of the kids was crying so every justification to kill all three!!!!
The main thing is the Panel on the Parole Board don't think he poses a significant risk to the public.
By default that means he poses some risk.... that could be nasty.
He's had counselling and been told he did wrong!!
He's much calmer and learned to control his temper.
Not much choice in prison.
They must have a crystal ball to be able to see how he's going to behave outside.
All very reassuring.
Anyway he's coming to a street near someone it could just be you.
Might be you !The main thing is the Panel on the Parole Board don't think he poses a significant risk to the public.
By default that means he poses some risk.... that could be nasty.
He's had counselling and been told he did wrong!!
He's much calmer and learned to control his temper.
Not much choice in prison.
They must have a crystal ball to be able to see how he's going to behave outside.
All very reassuring.
Anyway he's coming to a street near someone it could just be you.
Fire up the wood chipper
Brooking10 said:
Might be you !
Fire up the wood chipper
Could well be near me yes but I can assure you it would be extremely short term.Fire up the wood chipper
We have ways and means of moving people on .... All above board obviously.
Similar state of affairs nearly occurred many years ago.... As usual in secret no consultation.
That didn't happen either.
We have plan A and plan B in place now in our community to prevent such events.
As far as I'm concerned there are around 250 people on the Parole Board books .
So released offenders can go and stop at their gaffs.
They never replied to your second letter ?? how strange ! lol.
I agree he should have been killed at the time, but as a society we decide against this so we must live with that choice and it`s ramifications, but preferably without tubes like you deciding they know whats best for all.
I agree he should have been killed at the time, but as a society we decide against this so we must live with that choice and it`s ramifications, but preferably without tubes like you deciding they know whats best for all.
Edited by mogs.mod on Monday 17th December 09:13
One thing that can be guaranteed is that he will end up living with the great unwashed.(i.e. us)
The great and the good will make sure he is nowhere near themselves or family.
I can only assume he is released on something like the day of the Brexit vote as it will be a good day to hide bad news.
The great and the good will make sure he is nowhere near themselves or family.
I can only assume he is released on something like the day of the Brexit vote as it will be a good day to hide bad news.
TRIUMPHBULLET said:
One thing that can be guaranteed is that he will end up living with the great unwashed.(i.e. us)
The great and the good will make sure he is nowhere near themselves or family.
I can only assume he is released on something like the day of the Brexit vote as it will be a good day to hide bad news.
You're spot on that's exactly what will take place.The great and the good will make sure he is nowhere near themselves or family.
I can only assume he is released on something like the day of the Brexit vote as it will be a good day to hide bad news.
Dumped somewhere so that when it all goes pear shaped those responsible for this crass decision will be unaffected.
Then they can debrief over a prawn cocktail and another gin and tonic..... on expenses of course.....and decide on a six year enquiry..... where by the time its finished it will no longer be at the forefront of the news.
Mr Volvo.
We have to accept three things.
That killing someone who does even the heinous act does not make us better than they are.
That even the very best of us can commit the very worst acts.
That almost every person who is sent to prison will one day be someone’s neighbour. Lots of very detailed research has shown if a person is treat with decency and like a human they will more likely become a decent human and conform to social norms.
We have to accept three things.
That killing someone who does even the heinous act does not make us better than they are.
That even the very best of us can commit the very worst acts.
That almost every person who is sent to prison will one day be someone’s neighbour. Lots of very detailed research has shown if a person is treat with decency and like a human they will more likely become a decent human and conform to social norms.
Edited by mogs.mod on Monday 17th December 09:06
Salmonofdoubt said:
Mr Volvo.
We have to accept three things.
That killing someone who does even the heinous act does not make us better than they are.
That even the very best of us can commit the very worst acts.
That almost every person who is sent to prison will one day be someone’s neighbour. Lots of very detailed research has shown if a person is treat with decency and like a human they will more likely become a decent human and conform to social norms.
Are you drunk? We have to accept three things.
That killing someone who does even the heinous act does not make us better than they are.
That even the very best of us can commit the very worst acts.
That almost every person who is sent to prison will one day be someone’s neighbour. Lots of very detailed research has shown if a person is treat with decency and like a human they will more likely become a decent human and conform to social norms.
There's no comprehension to any of that diatribe!
Edited by mogs.mod on Monday 17th December 09:08
Salmonofdoubt said:
Mr Volvo.
We have to accept three things.
That killing someone who does even the heinous act does not make us better than they are.
That even the very best of us can commit the very worst acts.
That almost every person who is sent to prison will one day be someone’s neighbour. Lots of very detailed research has shown if a person is treat with decency and like a human they will more likely become a decent human and conform to social norms.
Hmm.We have to accept three things.
That killing someone who does even the heinous act does not make us better than they are.
That even the very best of us can commit the very worst acts.
That almost every person who is sent to prison will one day be someone’s neighbour. Lots of very detailed research has shown if a person is treat with decency and like a human they will more likely become a decent human and conform to social norms.
Are you saying, in your opinion, McGreavy is fixed because someone may (and I do mean may, because prisons are not the nicest of places) have been nice to him during his time in prison ?
Treat him with understanding and kindness, eh ?
Do you have any idea what McGreavy did ?
Silly question ... Clearly you don't ... And it is you who is talking b
ks.McGreavy will be institutionalised by now.
And that's just another issue to try to deal with.
Edited by mogs.mod on Monday 17th December 09:08
They never replied to your second letter ?? how strange ! lol.
I agree he should have been killed at the time, but as a society we decide against this so we must live with that choice and it`s ramifications, but preferably without tubes like you deciding they know whats best for all.
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Off topic.
Do you have a 'special'
keyboard or keypad, I've noted with a lot of your posts there's something amiss with your apostrophes, which are in fact grave accents and a space. Weird! 
I agree he should have been killed at the time, but as a society we decide against this so we must live with that choice and it`s ramifications, but preferably without tubes like you deciding they know whats best for all.
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Off topic.
Do you have a 'special'
keyboard or keypad, I've noted with a lot of your posts there's something amiss with your apostrophes, which are in fact grave accents and a space. Weird! Edited by mogs.mod on Monday 17th December 09:14
Edited by mogs.mod on Monday 17th December 09:16
Salmonofdoubt said:
Mr Volvo.
We have to accept three things.
That killing someone who does even the heinous act does not make us better than they are.
That even the very best of us can commit the very worst acts.
That almost every person who is sent to prison will one day be someone’s neighbour. Lots of very detailed research has shown if a person is treat with decency and like a human they will more likely become a decent human and conform to social norms.
But at least, as you said, you can live with yourself.We have to accept three things.
That killing someone who does even the heinous act does not make us better than they are.
That even the very best of us can commit the very worst acts.
That almost every person who is sent to prison will one day be someone’s neighbour. Lots of very detailed research has shown if a person is treat with decency and like a human they will more likely become a decent human and conform to social norms.
Page 1 in case you have forgotten what you wrote.
Edited by mogs.mod on Monday 17th December 09:09
Red 4 said:
Salmonofdoubt said:
Mr Volvo.
We have to accept three things.
That killing someone who does even the heinous act does not make us better than they are.
That even the very best of us can commit the very worst acts.
That almost every person who is sent to prison will one day be someone’s neighbour. Lots of very detailed research has shown if a person is treat with decency and like a human they will more likely become a decent human and conform to social norms.
Hmm.We have to accept three things.
That killing someone who does even the heinous act does not make us better than they are.
That even the very best of us can commit the very worst acts.
That almost every person who is sent to prison will one day be someone’s neighbour. Lots of very detailed research has shown if a person is treat with decency and like a human they will more likely become a decent human and conform to social norms.
Are you saying, in your opinion, McGreavy is fixed because someone may (and I do mean may, because prisons are not the nicest of places) have been nice to him during his time in prison ?
Treat him with understanding and kindness, eh ?
Do you have any idea what McGreavy did ?
Silly question ... Clearly you don't ... And it is you who is talking b
ks.McGreavy will be institutionalised by now.
And that's just another issue to try to deal with.
Then again, perhaps, just perhaps, Salmonofdoubt (what a username!) doesn't know?
Here you go Salmonofdoubt, this is what you're standing up for.
Let's just repeat it for clarity sake:
He BEAT TO DEATH 9 months old Samantha Urry
STRANGLED 4 yr old brother Paul
CUT THE THROAT of 2 yr old sister Dawn
and finally, and not least, IMPALED THEM ON FENCE RAILING SPIKES.
Depravity beyond all recognition of any 'human being'.
Edited by mogs.mod on Monday 17th December 09:09
dandarez said:
Re bold Red 4, I think you should remind him.
Then again, perhaps, just perhaps, Salmonofdoubt (what a username!) doesn't know?
Here you go Salmonofdoubt, this is what you're standing up for.
Let's just repeat it for clarity sake:
He BEAT TO DEATH 9 months old Samantha Urry
STRANGLED 4 yr old brother Paul
CUT THE THROAT of 2 yr old sister Dawn
and finally, and not least, IMPALED THEM ON FENCE RAILING SPIKES.
Depravity beyond all recognition of any 'human being'.
I think it goes much further than that.Then again, perhaps, just perhaps, Salmonofdoubt (what a username!) doesn't know?
Here you go Salmonofdoubt, this is what you're standing up for.
Let's just repeat it for clarity sake:
He BEAT TO DEATH 9 months old Samantha Urry
STRANGLED 4 yr old brother Paul
CUT THE THROAT of 2 yr old sister Dawn
and finally, and not least, IMPALED THEM ON FENCE RAILING SPIKES.
Depravity beyond all recognition of any 'human being'.
These were children McGreavy lived with.
He played with them, looked after them (babysitting duties) and, if he was anything approaching normal then he would have had a bond with them.
The murders appear motiveless.
McGreavy has never said why he did what he did.
The acts were barbaric but if you consider the circumstances as a whole it is even worse.
dandarez said:
Red 4 said:
Salmonofdoubt said:
Mr Volvo.
We have to accept three things.
That killing someone who does even the heinous act does not make us better than they are.
That even the very best of us can commit the very worst acts.
That almost every person who is sent to prison will one day be someone’s neighbour. Lots of very detailed research has shown if a person is treat with decency and like a human they will more likely become a decent human and conform to social norms.
Hmm.We have to accept three things.
That killing someone who does even the heinous act does not make us better than they are.
That even the very best of us can commit the very worst acts.
That almost every person who is sent to prison will one day be someone’s neighbour. Lots of very detailed research has shown if a person is treat with decency and like a human they will more likely become a decent human and conform to social norms.
Are you saying, in your opinion, McGreavy is fixed because someone may (and I do mean may, because prisons are not the nicest of places) have been nice to him during his time in prison ?
Treat him with understanding and kindness, eh ?
Do you have any idea what McGreavy did ?
Silly question ... Clearly you don't ... And it is you who is talking b
ks.McGreavy will be institutionalised by now.
And that's just another issue to try to deal with.
Then again, perhaps, just perhaps, Salmonofdoubt (what a username!) doesn't know?
Here you go Salmonofdoubt, this is what you're standing up for.
Let's just repeat it for clarity sake:
He BEAT TO DEATH 9 months old Samantha Urry
STRANGLED 4 yr old brother Paul
CUT THE THROAT of 2 yr old sister Dawn
and finally, and not least, IMPALED THEM ON FENCE RAILING SPIKES.
Depravity beyond all recognition of any 'human being'.
I have not and never will stand up for him. What I will stand against is the premise that harsher punishments and emotional arguments in deciding those should be avoided at all costs.
I don’t claim to understand why it’s deemed ok to release him, but as those who have decided it will have far more detailed information than any of us who are we to argue? You or I might not like it, and might well find what he did abhorrent and beyond humanity but we’re not here to sit in judgement and if I have to have a monster next door I’d rather not have a pitchfork mob follow him.
Edited by mogs.mod on Monday 17th December 09:08
Salmonofdoubt said:
That even the very best of us can commit the very worst acts.
That almost every person who is sent to prison will one day be someone’s neighbour. Lots of very detailed research has shown if a person is treat with decency and like a human they will more likely become a decent human and conform to social norms.
You are not sticking up for McGreavy ?That almost every person who is sent to prison will one day be someone’s neighbour. Lots of very detailed research has shown if a person is treat with decency and like a human they will more likely become a decent human and conform to social norms.
Why say this then ?
Odd things to say considering the context ...
Red 4 said:
Salmonofdoubt said:
That even the very best of us can commit the very worst acts.
That almost every person who is sent to prison will one day be someone’s neighbour. Lots of very detailed research has shown if a person is treat with decency and like a human they will more likely become a decent human and conform to social norms.
You are not sticking up for McGreavy ?That almost every person who is sent to prison will one day be someone’s neighbour. Lots of very detailed research has shown if a person is treat with decency and like a human they will more likely become a decent human and conform to social norms.
Why say this then ?
Odd things to say considering the context ...
What part of that is sticking up for that dreadful man or in any way endorsing his crime ?
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