The Brexit Christmas list.

[johnxjsc1985]

mx5nut said:

That sound complicated - can't we just blame Johnny Foreigner?

How long does it take you to come up with these creative responses, do you feel the need to have a lie down after such exertions

[alfie2244]

I wonder how much longer this Trolling and deliberate baiting is going to be allowed?

[don'tbesilly]

toppstuff said:

don'tbesilly said:

toppstuff said:

don'tbesilly said:

toppstuff said:

thetrickcyclist said:

Ghibli said:

What laws are you looking forward to making/changing.

He just answered your question; now, like this thread, you're just trolling along (as usual)

I don’t know about that. Brexit is so many different things to so many people. It’s interesting to know what different people want from it.

My dear old Mum voted leave because she hoped it would mean there would be fewer Somalians in her local hospital when she goes to her regular outpatients, after the husband of one of them ranted at her in foreign tongues for bumping into his wife in her mobility scooter.

Gotta love these gems of anecdotes.

Disrespect your own mother and suggest she's a xenophobe to make a point.

You Mum sounds quite bright TS, is she fluent in Somali, or was it broken english the Gent in question ranted in?

Some of this may be satirical.

Of course now it is

I love my Mum, but she's an awful xenophobe

Bless her. My mum was rather taken aback when she had a hip replacement and the surgeon turned out to be a blonde Latvian woman in her late 30’s with a heavy accent. Mum looked confused and I quite fancied the Latvian. It got awkward.

You should have made your Mum's life easier, you could have asked the Latvian to speak Latvian, and you could of translated, I'm sure you can speak Latvian

[toppstuff]

don'tbesilly said:

You should have made your Mum's life easier, you could have asked the Latvian to speak Latvian, and you could of translated, I'm sure you can speak Latvian

I recall she spoke the Livonian dialect while my Latvian is more middle Latvian really.

[gooner1]

toppstuff said:

don'tbesilly said:

You should have made your Mum's life easier, you could have asked the Latvian to speak Latvian, and you could of translated, I'm sure you can speak Latvian

I recall she spoke the Livonian dialect while my Latvian is more middle Latvian really.

How long ago did this conversation take place? I only ask because I'm pretty
sure Livonian is, and has been for some time, a dead lanquage.

[don'tbesilly]

gooner1 said:

toppstuff said:

don'tbesilly said:

You should have made your Mum's life easier, you could have asked the Latvian to speak Latvian, and you could of translated, I'm sure you can speak Latvian

I recall she spoke the Livonian dialect while my Latvian is more middle Latvian really.

How long ago did this conversation take place? I only ask because I'm pretty
sure Livonian is, and has been for some time, a dead lanquage.

TS likes the older model, the ones who can still remember the dead dialect

[toppstuff]

don'tbesilly said:

TS likes the older model, the ones who can still remember the dead dialect

[gooner1]

don'tbesilly said:

TS likes the older model, the ones who can still remember the dead dialect

I wonder if he performs unspeakable acts with the undead speakers of the dead lanquage?
Mind you perhaps they just act dead after 5 mins of Stufftops regaling them with tales
about himself. He's PH's version of Del boy's Grandad.

[toppstuff]

gooner1 said:

I wonder if he performs unspeakable acts with the undead speakers of the dead lanquage?
Mind you perhaps they just act dead after 5 mins of Stufftops regaling them with tales
about himself. He's PH's version of Del boy's Grandad.

Even down to the white beard.

[alfie2244]

toppstuff said:

gooner1 said:

I wonder if he performs unspeakable acts with the undead speakers of the dead lanquage?
Mind you perhaps they just act dead after 5 mins of Stufftops regaling them with tales
about himself. He's PH's version of Del boy's Grandad.

Even down to the white beard.

Wasn't that his uncle?

[don'tbesilly]

gooner1 said:

don'tbesilly said:

TS likes the older model, the ones who can still remember the dead dialect

I wonder if he performs unspeakable acts with the undead speakers of the dead lanquage?
Mind you perhaps they just act dead after 5 mins of Stufftops regaling them with tales
about himself. He's PH's version of Del boy's Grandad.

TS is probably a millionaire like Del was always going to be..................................next year.

I wonder if TS has an incoming anecdote about his fortune?

In for the bants

[gooner1]

alfie2244 said:

Wasn't that his uncle?

Yeah, him an'all

[oyster]

powerstroke said:

A centre right political party ,which believes in small state ,personal responsibility , small business free enterprise etc
that isn't funded by big business and the banks ...

Except that small businesses generally want to grow into medium businesses and medium ones into large ones. That’s what free enterprise allows.

Remember personal responsibility also includes the responsibility to make a worthwhile and active contribution and participation in your community (however local or otherwise). For that there still needs to be a state (albeit not a big one!).

[oyster]

kayc said:

oyster said:

The irony in calling the EU socialist whilst supporting the restriction on people movement which is about as basic socialism as it gets!

Being able to move somewhere to better the life of yourself and your family is fundamentally capitalist.

Donald the socialist

Being able to avoid straw man arguments tends to make debates more engaging and less childish.

Unless you actually believe that Donald Trump’s public political position reflects 100% capitalism?

[alfie2244]

gooner1 said:

alfie2244 said:

Wasn't that his uncle?

Yeah, him an'all

Cushdy

[gooner1]

alfie2244 said:

Cushdy

Cosmic.

[kayc]

oyster said:

Being able to avoid straw man arguments tends to make debates more engaging and less childish.

Unless you actually believe that Donald Trump’s public political position reflects 100% capitalism?

I don't quite recall saying DT represented 100% capitalism...however he certainly leans more that way than our wonderful European 'friends'.

[Camoradi]

I'm just listening to an interview from R4 Today this morning with a business man who imports printed fabric from abroad and makes it into garments.

His response to the uncertainty over Brexit? He has built a new factory to print the fabric himself in the UK, so he can import plain fabric in bulk and then print on a JIT basis. This has created new jobs and benefitted the UK economy by bringing more of the value added parts of his business into the UK.

A pretty good Brexit Christmas present for the new employees.

[crankedup]

Enricogto said:

Du1point8 said:

wst said:

kayc said:

1 -Not having to take on board another 50k+ Eu laws into UK law in next 25 years
2 - no freedom of movement
3 - no more tax
4 - no more human rights acts
5 - no ECJ rulings
6 - not have to pay for EU parliament to move once a month to keep the French happy
7 - imperial not metric
8 - free trade deals
9 - emission regs
10 - GDPR

1) EU laws only get made with the approval of elected representatives, so elect better ones
2) Would you prefer a system that, say, lets people travel freely for up to 3 months with no visa (for tourism etc), then after that they have to go home OR be financially independent (and prove it)?
3)
4) Why not?
5) Bundle this one into 4 - why not?
6) Agreed. Daft and arcane. A bit like having a whacking great shiny stick in a building to represent the Queen's authority.
7)
8) Like the ones we have at the moment? And the WTO ones that we can only use because we're in the EU? We don't have the overheads of loads of negotiators at the moment...
9) Tough biscuits, those aren't going anywhere. Political suicide.
10) You'll still have to offer EU residents control of their data. Only difference is that (hooray!) non-EU businesses will no longer have to tell you how they sell your information. Thrilling.

1) EU laws are forced even if the country representatives disagree.
2) Dont mind movement, but not to be a burden on the country... demand benefits cause you fancy a move to france, etc.
3) Not understanding this.
4) Personally if you commit a crime you lose your human rights, if an immigrant and doing it, you go home immediately... could not care if you suddenly found god/gay/got a new family/etc you are in the UK but are not a citizen, so behave or go home.
5) When they are neutral and not biased to EU then fine. (should be neutral full stop)
6) No brainer
7) UK choice not EU Choice
8) EU puts 100% tariff on Sugar cane so has killed off the UK sugar refinery industry, EU states UK sugar industry should use EU sugar beet first... There is not enough sugar beet in the EU to sustain the UK industry... but still the tariff... who does it benefit? Thats one example.
9) given they are to stay
10) Dont care

It's amazing to see how, despite plenty of opportunities to learn how things work, plenty of people here refuse to engage in the process to further their knowledge and get out of their uninformed preconceptions.

Perhaps they have already but dislike what they found.

[berlintaxi]

wst said:

Du1point8 said:

2) Dont mind movement, but not to be a burden on the country... demand benefits cause you fancy a move to france, etc.

That's covered under the Freedom of Movement. Check this out

"Persons exercising their right of residence should not, however, become an unreasonable
burden on the social assistance system of the host Member State during an initial period of
residence. Therefore, the right of residence for Union citizens and their family members for
periods in excess of three months should be subject to conditions."

Etc, etc, etc.

The failure here lies with a certain country's own policy, not with the EU as a whole.

Indeed, our government chose never to enact it.