tube drivers on 100k+
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6500923/M...
im in the wrong job. admittedly pretty grim to be underground all day but wtf
im in the wrong job. admittedly pretty grim to be underground all day but wtf
Pretty disingenuous (not surprising) from that lot that it also includes their employer pension contribution! For me that's 11% of my salary...I have never said my wage including what my company puts in.
Yes it's high, but clearly this must be related to the number of drivers willing to do it or the wage would be suppressed...
Or do Mail readers only care about market economics when it suits their agenda?
Yes it's high, but clearly this must be related to the number of drivers willing to do it or the wage would be suppressed...
Or do Mail readers only care about market economics when it suits their agenda?
GroundEffect said:
Pretty disingenuous (not surprising) from that lot that it also includes their employer pension contribution! For me that's 11% of my salary...I have never said my wage including what my company puts in.
Yes it's high, but clearly this must be related to the number of drivers willing to do it or the wage would be suppressed...
Or do Mail readers only care about market economics when it suits their agenda?
and how do you know perfect market economics are at play here and not the the mayor etc being mugs?Yes it's high, but clearly this must be related to the number of drivers willing to do it or the wage would be suppressed...
Or do Mail readers only care about market economics when it suits their agenda?
seems ludicrous salary even with pension in it especially with the perks:
"They also get a free annual travel pass, which are worth £3,548 and cover zones 1-9, eight and a half weeks of paid holiday and full pensions at 60. Those retiring at 50 get a reduced pension."
Podie said:
Typical hatchet job reporting by the Wail.
They’ve included bonuses, pension contributions and overtime to come up with a headline..10 or do drivers have hit the overtime hard and the Wail have extrapolated this into a BS story.
Oh, and no - I am not a tube driver.
was actually sunday times article. what they worked some of their 8 weeks paid hol..They’ve included bonuses, pension contributions and overtime to come up with a headline..10 or do drivers have hit the overtime hard and the Wail have extrapolated this into a BS story.
Oh, and no - I am not a tube driver.
GroundEffect said:
Yes it's high, but clearly this must be related to the number of drivers willing to do it or the wage would be suppressed..
It's because it's a closed market, the general public cannot even apply. Quite how this is allowed I don't know, because you would find millions of people who would do it for far less.ericmcn said:
Crazy right, what's the average salary across London as a whole I wonder? Probably in or around 60 or 70k so these drivers doing sfa are still raking it in.
Perhaps, it would be more accurate to contest the argument by asking what the average salary across TFL. In which case you can see here where some of your tax money goes.http://content.tfl.gov.uk/tfl-senior-employee-sala...
GroundEffect said:
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Yes it's high, but clearly this must be related to the number of drivers willing to do it or the wage would be suppressed...
Sounds like a bit of a 'closed shop'Yes it's high, but clearly this must be related to the number of drivers willing to do it or the wage would be suppressed...
from 2015 said:
"It is impossible for an outsider to become a Tube driver despite the lucrative pay and perks on offer, Transport for London has admitted"
Looking at TFL own stats, they are about 10 applications for every role available, normal demand and supply doesn't seem to apply.power of the unions here. Pay rises for drivers are high because TFL give in due to industrial action. End of day they can strike an loose a days pay but London looses more an TFL get put under pressure to pay so ticket prices go up rinse an repeat each year.
All I will say to tube staff is enjoy it while it lasts as automation is going to see the end of this be.
others have said its closed to many people and corrupt. A friend designes the control systems for these trains told me 5 years ago the trains could run on some lines without a driver.
All I will say to tube staff is enjoy it while it lasts as automation is going to see the end of this be.
others have said its closed to many people and corrupt. A friend designes the control systems for these trains told me 5 years ago the trains could run on some lines without a driver.
Russian Troll Bot said:
GroundEffect said:
Yes it's high, but clearly this must be related to the number of drivers willing to do it or the wage would be suppressed..
It's because it's a closed market, the general public cannot even apply. Quite how this is allowed I don't know, because you would find millions of people who would do it for far less.Russian Troll Bot said:
It's because it's a closed market, the general public cannot even apply. Quite how this is allowed I don't know, because you would find millions of people who would do it for far less.
You're talking uninformed nonsense (but hey, it is NP&E)Explain please how night tube drivers were advertised? That's right, it was advertised via the careers page of the TfL website. This has happened around 3 or 4 times since the inception of night tube. Open to all to apply. Massively over subscribed so it seems some people can see beyond the usual 'closed shop' bulls
t and are currently enjoying a driving career with LUL. Also, full time positions were advertised openly when the last lot of upgrades were coming to fruition a few years back.
Drivers earn £55k with no voluntary overtime. 8 weeks holiday but this does include all bank holidays and staff work 1.5 hrs unpaid overtime (built into the rota) every week which comes back as annual leave and is included within the 8 weeks. Take all that away and you get something like 25 days.
Tube drivers get around the market rate for the job and we are around the middle when compared to other train companies. (I think Virgin are one of the best around £60-70k and the worst pays around £35k - Arriva Wales, I think but not too sure)
Friend of a friend is a tube driver, she is a lovely lady but not particularly talented in any respect. If she went to get a normal office job I think she would struggle to get a good PA type role paying £25k-£30k
It has to be said that the job requires intense concentration at all times and a slip up could be catostrophic
However it is a ridiculously unionised business and all the union does is aggressively fight for pay increases at every opportunity with no regard for the public who use their service who are effectively their pawns
Tube drivers are allowed to take up to 5 days sick leave per quarter without it being looked at or requiring a doctor's note, so if they haven't been sick that quarter, in the last week they phone in sick every day. This is rife and totally common practice, so she tells me
She actually went on a holiday to Dubai in one of these quarterly 'sick weeks'
It is a disguising abuse of power by the union and vile lack of decency and commitment from the staff. And shows that Thatcher was right in dismantling them. In Germany unions are a pain but they understand the business has to work and make money. In the UK unions are for bloated turgid flatulent greedy pigs who care only about themselves and definitely not their poor customers
It has to be said that the job requires intense concentration at all times and a slip up could be catostrophic
However it is a ridiculously unionised business and all the union does is aggressively fight for pay increases at every opportunity with no regard for the public who use their service who are effectively their pawns
Tube drivers are allowed to take up to 5 days sick leave per quarter without it being looked at or requiring a doctor's note, so if they haven't been sick that quarter, in the last week they phone in sick every day. This is rife and totally common practice, so she tells me
She actually went on a holiday to Dubai in one of these quarterly 'sick weeks'
It is a disguising abuse of power by the union and vile lack of decency and commitment from the staff. And shows that Thatcher was right in dismantling them. In Germany unions are a pain but they understand the business has to work and make money. In the UK unions are for bloated turgid flatulent greedy pigs who care only about themselves and definitely not their poor customers
petemurphy said:
Podie said:
Typical hatchet job reporting by the Wail.
They’ve included bonuses, pension contributions and overtime to come up with a headline..10 or do drivers have hit the overtime hard and the Wail have extrapolated this into a BS story.
Oh, and no - I am not a tube driver.
was actually sunday times article. what they worked some of their 8 weeks paid hol..They’ve included bonuses, pension contributions and overtime to come up with a headline..10 or do drivers have hit the overtime hard and the Wail have extrapolated this into a BS story.
Oh, and no - I am not a tube driver.
Regardless, the point still stands. They’ve been disingenuous in the presentation of the figures. They are not on £100k salaries.
Wilmslowboy said:
Looking at TFL own stats, they are about 10 applications for every role available, normal demand and supply doesn't seem to apply.
Most jobs have 10 or more applicants for every position. That is not the basis on which salaries are set.---
I live in London and the Tube does appear to be heavily unionised, to the benefit of the drivers and not for the benefit of the public. But on the renumeration side, I don't think it is particularly excessive. It is a skilled job, with a large training burden. Those jobs almost always pay decent money. On the topic of setting salaries for people who would do it for less: the article gives airline pilots as a comparison. As a private pilot, I've seen many many people in the aviation industry and I can tell you now, all manner of people would give being an airline pilot a go for a lot less than the airline pilot salaries in that article. Would you want one of them flying you around? I didn't think so.
The pilot salaries also seem quite low btw.
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