Gatwick closed by drones

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p1stonhead

17,947 posts

105 months

Thursday 20th December 2018
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This is a shocking level of disruption - and for another couple of hours still! Not even just Gatwick, but everywhere that has had to take Gatwicks planes.

Hope they find the idiots and thrown everything at them.

Whats the range on these things?

Isnt it like Die Hard 2 where 'they must be close maybe even on airport ground' type thing? hehe

Edited by p1stonhead on Thursday 20th December 09:25

s1962a

2,104 posts

100 months

Thursday 20th December 2018
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Taken from another forum - what you need.. is a bigger drone


Puggit

40,966 posts

186 months

Thursday 20th December 2018
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MikeyC said:
tonker said:
Surely it’s the environmentalist anti plane idiots. Because they got next To no punishment last time ?
What I was thinking also

Thoughts on stopping this:
Disrupt the control & video link frequencies
Disrupt the GPS signals - may be used in airports/planes though
You don't need hi-tech: Ealges trained to take down drones: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-3575081...

topgunkos

276 posts

143 months

Thursday 20th December 2018
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https://openworksengineering.com/skywall/300
Need one of these, other similar system ou there.

Oakey

23,709 posts

154 months

Thursday 20th December 2018
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Watching a video on Twitter, that's a very bright drone?
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The jiffle king

5,449 posts

196 months

Thursday 20th December 2018
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Approaching Gatwick on Thames link and reading of the disruption, I am very glad of the decision we made.

The people I was with truly did pull together and if I am ever in this situation again I would make the same call even if my flight was reinstated. Better to be in control than rely on he airlines

And if Arthur is on PH, quite why you have a 4 way Euro to UK extension lead in your bag I will never know but it was brilliant

About to hit Gatwick to collect the car.

schmalex

12,604 posts

144 months

Thursday 20th December 2018
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s1962a said:
Taken from another forum - what you need.. is a bigger drone

There are many different options and that is certainly one that has been tested around the world.

I was at an event in Baghdad a couple of years ago where, amongst other things, there were all sorts of weird and wacky ways of denying UAS being demonstrated. There are all sorts of different methods of denial but each has various limitations.

For example, take the vehicle that carried the exploding payload into the Venezuelan PM’s speech zone.

If that had been jammed, it could have fallen into the crowd and done even greater damage

If it had been knocked out of the sky by birds of prey (actually quite a viable option), the same could have happened

You can’t really go round firing off rounds in public spaces and then, when it crashed, it would have still potentially exploded.

They are a pain to deal with.

Edited by schmalex on Thursday 20th December 09:43

MikeyC

472 posts

165 months

Thursday 20th December 2018
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Vaud said:
MikeyC said:
What I was thinking also

Thoughts on stopping this:
Disrupt the control & video link frequencies
Disrupt the GPS signals - may be used in airports/planes though
No use disrupting if they are autonomous
Too much reliance on GPS
TBH, I would be surprised if they are in full autonomous mode, if so, then jamming GPS is the answer

Puggit said:
You don't need hi-tech: Ealges trained to take down drones: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-3575081...
I remember seeing this when it was first proposed.
I winced at the potential damage that could be done to the birds with big propellers - one cut through my garden furniture plastic table leg and the horrific injuries on youtube....
If they could be trained to simply drop a net over the drone instead, much better !

Mafffew

1,281 posts

49 months

Thursday 20th December 2018
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I do hope the scum responsible get a lot more than a 5 year sentence. 25 years seems more appropriate.

tonker

55,405 posts

186 months

Thursday 20th December 2018
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Puggit said:
You don't need hi-tech: Ealges trained to take down drones: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-3575081...
So eagles... with frikkin’ lasers.

speedyguy

3,878 posts

141 months

Thursday 20th December 2018
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Biker 1 said:
I hope they catch the fker(s) soon & throw the book at them.
Have you seen the comedy sentences handed out by the 'judiciary' in the UK?
I suspect an all expenses paid 5* holiday in safe drone flying would probably be going through the judges tiny mind.

Rick101 said:
Must also say being a Railwayman do like that the train got you where you needed to be.
Rail gets a lot of stick on here but many simply could not manage without it.
Yet the opposition to HS rail to free up capacity is massive scratchchin

Wobbegong

10,924 posts

107 months

Thursday 20th December 2018
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tonker said:
Surely it’s the environmentalist anti plane idiots. Because they got next To no punishment last time ?
I’d go with crusties too. “Preventing a higher crime against the planet by committing this one” seems to be their get out of jail card.


Shakermaker

8,049 posts

38 months

Thursday 20th December 2018
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Jonesy23 said:
I'd be surprised if there were genuinely one or more people managing to fly drones around at night around there for that many hours to get the later sighting.

Quite apart from battery life the airport isn't really very close to anything apart from fields, a few houses and some industrial bits (at least if you look within a kilometer or so) so anyone flying the things would (you'd think) be obvious to the helicopter they were flying around.

So I wonder how much is a real sighting and how much is someone getting a bit overexcited and then because of the difficultly of proving the things are 'gone' the incident continues.
The airport is close to plenty of places to hide out. I could sit in my old bedroom at my parents house and fly a drone over the airport if I wanted to. Plus there are dozens of farms, roads, houses, car parks, trees etc where you could hide out and still be legitimately within the range of the airfield.

tonker

55,405 posts

186 months

Thursday 20th December 2018
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Except it’s gong to cause more. Because all flights diverted. Planes In with places. Airport open all night. All extra travel, heat and energy.

Presumably Tristram and Araminta have got daddy to book flights from LHR for Christmas in Mauritius so it doesn’t affect them when they decide they have had enough fighting for the rights of people in Asia and Africa (and it supports them to let them work as flunkies in a resort)

996owner

1,170 posts

172 months

Thursday 20th December 2018
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In my opinion drones should only be sold to current operators with CAA permissions. Thiers's no such thing as a drone licence!

A few simple steps would help
Drones should also be make to hold flight records sent back to a central database (like DJi drones do).
Drones should only be able to take off is valid insurance is linked to the database. (Flock insurance do a pay per flight insurance)
The operator of the drone would also need to be linked to the database.

This would make an operator a little more traceable.

It costs a fortune to get the PFCO (so called licence) from the CAA, many armatures are completing commercial work for a few quid and the CAA/police are doing nothing. As a result we end in in situations like this as Gatwick.

The latest rules ban flying within 1km of an airport boundary.

p1stonhead

17,947 posts

105 months

Thursday 20th December 2018
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Shakermaker said:
The airport is close to plenty of places to hide out. I could sit in my old bedroom at my parents house and fly a drone over the airport if I wanted to. Plus there are dozens of farms, roads, houses, car parks, trees etc where you could hide out and still be legitimately within the range of the airfield.
Yep. I suspect large sections of Charlwood and Horley could get a drone that far. Big places. Could be anywhere.

Shakermaker

8,049 posts

38 months

Thursday 20th December 2018
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HTP99 said:
If your plane is diverted to land at; say Manchester, is it down to you the passenger to make your own way back to Gatwick or do the airports help to get passengers back to where they should be?
airport/airline should help. However with widespread disruption there's only so many buses/coaches/trains that are available at short notice. Usually if a flight has to divert for some reason, just one flight, its inconvenient but there will be a coach company near the airport who can spare some drivers the overtime and get them to do Manchester - Gatwick for the passengers if it is clear the aircraft won't be able to take off again soon. But if every flight is delayed, we get the disruption as per today! A very frustrating situation for everyone involved

Coolbanana

1,743 posts

138 months

Thursday 20th December 2018
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Shakermaker said:
The airport is close to plenty of places to hide out. I could sit in my old bedroom at my parents house and fly a drone over the airport if I wanted to. Plus there are dozens of farms, roads, houses, car parks, trees etc where you could hide out and still be legitimately within the range of the airfield.
If it was a DJI drone with a FPV headset, you could buzz the airport from up to 2.5 miles away. The solution is to disable the drone, bring it down and track the operator. It cannot be beyond the realms of current tech to do both. The cost of today's debacle will surely lead to Gatwick and other airports investing in a proper drone defence now.








The jiffle king

5,449 posts

196 months

Thursday 20th December 2018
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Busy at LGW... glad I am leaving

Jonesy23

3,915 posts

74 months

Thursday 20th December 2018
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I half expect to find they're operating from inside the airport perimeter as it'd be the last place you'd look.