The PH Demographic as shown in Brexit threads

[Earthdweller]

98elise said:

PositronicRay said:

Digga said:

It's quite interesting that the educational level below degree is so evenly split. I'd assume (correct me if I am wrong) that the majority of such qualifications would likely be far more vocational than that of the degrees in the next band up. Shows a voting split that's the same as the actual referendum result.

Quoted for reference:

I think the education stat is linked to the age thing. Many more students go onto university now than in days of yore.

Edited by PositronicRay on Friday 11th January 14:53

Agreed. I did reasonably well at school, but left to do my HNV as part of my apprenticeship (so academically less than a degree).

I've ended up in IT and have a string of professional qualifications/exams, which would be typical for someone of my age who has followed a similar career path.

My father was a chartered engineer and didn't have a degree.

Remainers simply dismiss us as old thickos, but its just the way the world worked for our age group.

I’m very similar to you

Did well at school 10 O levels and 3 A levels .. I didn’t go to university.. very few of my peers did

But I did professional exams that would be the equivalent of degree level and continued to study and learn new skills

My father left school at 14, did an apprenticeship, then spent a while in the back of a Lancaster bomber, aged 18, going back to the factory after being demobbed, before eventually retiring as European Quality control director of a major European multinational

Neither of us are thick, but we don’t have degrees

However all my nephews/nieces are going to uni and I suspect so will my kids

We live in different times

[Johnnytheboy]

That's a good point: this oft-repeated stat that graduates were more likely to vote Remain is probably largely explained by the vast expansion in uni education in the last couple of decades.

Young people more pro-Remain = more graduates pro-Remain.

[Vanden Saab]

Digga said:

PositronicRay said:

Digga said:

It's quite interesting that the educational level below degree is so evenly split. I'd assume (correct me if I am wrong) that the majority of such qualifications would likely be far more vocational than that of the degrees in the next band up. Shows a voting split that's the same as the actual referendum result.

Quoted for reference:

I think the education stat is linked to the age thing. Many more students go onto university now than in days of yore.

Edited by PositronicRay on Friday 11th January 14:53

There has been, in recent years, a (welcome) resurgence in the numbers of apprenticeship schemes offered by the education system. I know this, because we've now had 3 apprentices through our engineering works. All such students will be qualified to some level of NVQ standard. The highest level for an NVQ is Level 5. However, students who complete an NVQ at Level 3 can then go on to study for a higher qualification such as a Foundation Degree, HND or HNC.

I do wonder how much of this is attached to how people of certain ages see education. I left school with 6 O levels and went on to complete an HNC in engineering but if I was asked that question would answer GCE level. After a career change I have NVQ 3 in my second occupation but again would only consider being educated to GCE Standard. If older people think this way but younger people select a the higher level option it could go a long way to explaining the figures...

[tumble dryer]

Earthdweller said:

I’m very similar to you

Did well at school 10 O levels and 3 A levels .. I didn’t go to university.. very few of my peers did

But I did professional exams that would be the equivalent of degree level and continued to study and learn new skills

My father left school at 14, did an apprenticeship, then spent a while in the back of a Lancaster bomber, aged 18, going back to the factory after being demobbed, before eventually retiring as European Quality control director of a major European multinational

Neither of us are thick, but we don’t have degrees

However all my nephews/nieces are going to uni and I suspect so will my kids

We live in different times

And let us not forget the business that further education has become.

Never mind the 'loans', have you noticed all the shiny new buildings going up to temporarily house our cherished ones? A lot of money is invested in keeping this particular ball rolling.

[alfie2244]

tumble dryer said:

And let us not forget the business that further education has become.

Never mind the 'loans', have you noticed all the shiny new buildings going up to temporarily house our cherished ones? A lot of money is invested in keeping this particular ball rolling.

The entire city of Bath doesn't have a police station...it has been sold to the Uni! Don't get me started on housing being built for students V local youngsters.

[Randy Winkman]

chrispmartha said:

Digga said:

chrispmartha said:

The remainers you soeak of may post more often but there are far fewer of them, that’s probably why it may seem like there’s more ‘remainers’. One thing you cannot say about the brexiteers on here is that they are ‘shy’

Unfortunately, we all know why pro-Brexit voters are all too often reluctant to voice their actual opinions; there is a nasty streak out there who would shut down democratic debate with unpleasant, if not actually illegal actions and attitudes. This is, in no small part, why the result of the referendum was such a shock.

Oh give over!

There’s nasty streaks on both sides, this whole palaver has brought the worst out of this country IMO

Exactly. As PH favourite Jeremy Corbyn has recently said, it's ended up with different groups of people who share exactly the same concerns fighting with each other rather than a worthwhile target.

[Dindoit]

anonymous said:

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Eyes fading with age?

[Johnnytheboy]

alfie2244 said:

tumble dryer said:

And let us not forget the business that further education has become.

Never mind the 'loans', have you noticed all the shiny new buildings going up to temporarily house our cherished ones? A lot of money is invested in keeping this particular ball rolling.

The entire city of Bath doesn't have a police station...it has been sold to the Uni! Don't get me started on housing being built for students V local youngsters.

Bournemouth is the same. Strikes me as a bit of a bubble. Students take degrees in subjects that won't get them jobs and pay for accommodation with loans they will never be able to repay.

But hey, I'm sure it's all fine.

[Vanden Saab]

anonymous said:

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anonymous said:

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Eyes fading with age?

Does that not say 2015 in the top LH corner?

(To be fair, my eyes are currently bksed as I have cataracts)

It is using the 2015 general election for the party voting figures...


Having looked at that a few times I do wonder if those age figures are being used to make a point as there seems to be no reason for the arbitrary breakdown.
18-24 6 years
25-49 24 years
49-65 16 years
65+ . 35 years potentially...

The only two age numbers that make any sense are 18 and 65...

I have seen another similar survey that said that every age group over 40 had a majority to leave but the figures had a 40-55 age group or something like that.... I would love to see a survey with the figures for each year group but I have yet to see one online...

[iphonedyou]

anonymous said:

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Averse.

[tumble dryer]

Johnnytheboy said:

alfie2244 said:

tumble dryer said:

And let us not forget the business that further education has become.

Never mind the 'loans', have you noticed all the shiny new buildings going up to temporarily house our cherished ones? A lot of money is invested in keeping this particular ball rolling.

The entire city of Bath doesn't have a police station...it has been sold to the Uni! Don't get me started on housing being built for students V local youngsters.

Bournemouth is the same. Strikes me as a bit of a bubble. Students take degrees in subjects that won't get them jobs and pay for accommodation with loans they will never be able to repay.

But hey, I'm sure it's all fine.

Desperately trying to drag back OT, sorry.

Strange though, don't you think, that it's the older demographic that can see what's happening here. A new generation providing a new wealth source before they've even started earning an income, wrapped-up in a modern day societal must.

The bogey men were easier to spot back in the day.

[alfie2244]

iphonedyou said:

anonymous said:

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Averse.

Rick?

[AW111]

alfie2244 said:

Rick?

Most students are Neil or Vivian, and averse to Rick as a matter of course.

[limpsfield]

anonymous said:

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We are all psychic in here.

Or, as you might put it, sykick.

[Norfolkit]

Greg66 said:

I was going to ask how one teaches mathematics in a left wing style

Get the words "few" and "many" in there as often as possible, anything over one hundred is "many", anything under is "few", the number 100 itself is no longer to be used as that's reserved for the tax rate for rich Tory bds come the revolution.

Obviousy and fundamentally nothing is allowed to add up to what you think it should.

Left wing maths teaching is easy

[HustleRussell]

anonymous said:

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A lot of ‘victim complex’ on the Pro-Brexit side.

[anonymous-user]

Let me explain Brexit and the voting with a simple thought experiment:


In the high street of a large city we set up two identical shipping containers clearly labelled A and B.

There is know way of knowing what is inside the containers

We ask people who pass to vote for opening container A or container B.




The voters will make up a load of reasons why they voted as they have, and at the end of the day the results, well they'll be pretty close to 50:50 just like the Brexit vote, and we won't know what we will actually get until the winning door is opened, and we'll never know what was in the other container............

[wiggy001]

Vanden Saab said:

It is using the 2015 general election for the party voting figures...


Having looked at that a few times I do wonder if those age figures are being used to make a point as there seems to be no reason for the arbitrary breakdown.
18-24 6 years
25-49 24 years
49-65 16 years
65+ . 35 years potentially...

The only two age numbers that make any sense are 18 and 65...

I have seen another similar survey that said that every age group over 40 had a majority to leave but the figures had a 40-55 age group or something like that.... I would love to see a survey with the figures for each year group but I have yet to see one online...

I was just scanning through the posts to say exactly this.

"Young people overwhelmingly voted to remain" is the oft told mantra. But that does depend on the definition of "old" and how you spin the figures. For example, if we listed every age from 18 to 100, most age groups voted to leave. If we say that people are either "young" or "old" then surely the cut off should be at the half way mark (call it 50)... how does that stat look?

It's like the argument that people will now vote remain because the old leavers have died off, ignoring the fact that the young remainers have now grown up into leavers.

But statistics are like a lamp post to a drunk...

[NerveAgent]

Max_Torque said:

Let me explain Brexit and the voting with a simple thought experiment:


In the high street of a large city we set up two identical shipping containers clearly labelled A and B.

There is know way of knowing what is inside the containers

We ask people who pass to vote for opening container A or container B.




The voters will make up a load of reasons why they voted as they have, and at the end of the day the results, well they'll be pretty close to 50:50 just like the Brexit vote, and we won't know what we will actually get until the winning door is opened, and we'll never know what was in the other container............

I bet it’s immigrants?

[Turbotechnic]

NerveAgent said:

Max_Torque said:

Let me explain Brexit and the voting with a simple thought experiment:


In the high street of a large city we set up two identical shipping containers clearly labelled A and B.

There is know way of knowing what is inside the containers

We ask people who pass to vote for opening container A or container B.




The voters will make up a load of reasons why they voted as they have, and at the end of the day the results, well they'll be pretty close to 50:50 just like the Brexit vote, and we won't know what we will actually get until the winning door is opened, and we'll never know what was in the other container............

I bet it’s immigrants?