How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 7)
Discussion
PurpleMoonlight said:
loafer123 said:
In the spirit of positiveness, I am also not particularly worried about the backstop itself.
The issue is that, without an end to the backstop, we have no negotiation power. They can hold us to ransom until we agree to their terms.
The issue with Mays Deal is the problem of being forced to keep using the EU tariffs rather being able to do our own trade deals. That is definitely not what Leave means.
No, they have to negotiate the new trade agreement in good faith.The issue is that, without an end to the backstop, we have no negotiation power. They can hold us to ransom until we agree to their terms.
The issue with Mays Deal is the problem of being forced to keep using the EU tariffs rather being able to do our own trade deals. That is definitely not what Leave means.
I'm sure the EU don't want this all dragging on for years as we don't.
PurpleMoonlight said:
loafer123 said:
The political agreement says we basically remain in the Customs Union, and good faith is subjective.
It is a terrible deal from a negotiation standpoint.
Only if you view it with prejudice and mistrust.It is a terrible deal from a negotiation standpoint.
Don't forget it locks the EU to us as much as us to the EU.
PurpleMoonlight said:
loafer123 said:
The political agreement says we basically remain in the Customs Union, and good faith is subjective.
It is a terrible deal from a negotiation standpoint.
Only if you view it with prejudice and mistrust.It is a terrible deal from a negotiation standpoint.
Don't forget it locks the EU to us as much as us to the EU.
On the backstop, if they really are showing good faith, why can’t they be sure that the deal will be done in five year? The answer is that they would lose dominant negotiating power without an indefinite backstop.
I may be cynical, but you are definitely naive.
The Dangerous Elk said:
The "Eu" leaders (will say) they will not want that I agree, idealogical adherence to the political the "Project" will force it to happen by default however.
The EU27 want free trade with the UK, and visa versa.The proposed UK:EU free trade area does that, they don't need the backstop.
It's there to protect Ireland.
It’s all about control. Legal control. The May deal leaves the EU in control, they can stop us making our own trade deals if they want. Well, we can make deals, but not actually enact them!
That is not leaving at all. We are still being dictated to by the EU. Leaving means the EU having no control over the UK, it’s a simple as that.
I can’t believe anyone though the EU would offer a good deal for us, it was always going to be bad, meaning we have to leave with no deal.
Except with 75% of MP’s being remain they were always going to engineer us staying in, which is what we are seeing play out before us now. Be it Mays deal, which is like remain, or actually remaining.
That is not leaving at all. We are still being dictated to by the EU. Leaving means the EU having no control over the UK, it’s a simple as that.
I can’t believe anyone though the EU would offer a good deal for us, it was always going to be bad, meaning we have to leave with no deal.
Except with 75% of MP’s being remain they were always going to engineer us staying in, which is what we are seeing play out before us now. Be it Mays deal, which is like remain, or actually remaining.
PurpleMoonlight said:
Garvin said:
On what basis don’t you see this? If the EU aren’t going to lock us in why did they insist on it?
Everything I have read and watched on TV, in particular Cox's statement to the HoC.It's not a backstop if it's time limited.
Garvin said:
PurpleMoonlight said:
Garvin said:
On what basis don’t you see this? If the EU aren’t going to lock us in why did they insist on it?
Everything I have read and watched on TV, in particular Cox's statement to the HoC.It's not a backstop if it's time limited.
loafer123 said:
Leave. We don’t want to be locked to them, we voted to Leave.
On the backstop, if they really are showing good faith, why can’t they be sure that the deal will be done in five year? The answer is that they would lose dominant negotiating power without an indefinite backstop.
I may be cynical, but you are definitely naive.
We are leaving.On the backstop, if they really are showing good faith, why can’t they be sure that the deal will be done in five year? The answer is that they would lose dominant negotiating power without an indefinite backstop.
I may be cynical, but you are definitely naive.
Because they cannot control the UK's conduct so are looking to protect trade.
PurpleMoonlight said:
loafer123 said:
Leave. We don’t want to be locked to them, we voted to Leave.
On the backstop, if they really are showing good faith, why can’t they be sure that the deal will be done in five year? The answer is that they would lose dominant negotiating power without an indefinite backstop.
I may be cynical, but you are definitely naive.
We are leaving.On the backstop, if they really are showing good faith, why can’t they be sure that the deal will be done in five year? The answer is that they would lose dominant negotiating power without an indefinite backstop.
I may be cynical, but you are definitely naive.
Because they cannot control the UK's conduct so are looking to protect trade.
PurpleMoonlight said:
loafer123 said:
Leave. We don’t want to be locked to them, we voted to Leave.
On the backstop, if they really are showing good faith, why can’t they be sure that the deal will be done in five year? The answer is that they would lose dominant negotiating power without an indefinite backstop.
I may be cynical, but you are definitely naive.
We are leaving.On the backstop, if they really are showing good faith, why can’t they be sure that the deal will be done in five year? The answer is that they would lose dominant negotiating power without an indefinite backstop.
I may be cynical, but you are definitely naive.
Because they cannot control the UK's conduct so are looking to protect trade.
loafer123 said:
I completely agree on their motivation, I just don’t believe that is acceptable to us. We are better to Leave and negotiate a Free trade deal just like any other 3rd country would.
Really?You want to go from free trade, to tariff trade, to free trade?
What will that cost the UK tax payer?
What will that cost the UK to EU exporters?
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