How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 7)
Discussion
SpeckledJim said:
plasticpig said:
Vaud said:
I think the biggest risk is probably wage inflation in the next 24 months driven by loss of FOM (though I am sure visas for skilled workers will be allowed) and a move to near full "employment"
Skilled workers isn't the problem. Who is going to pick the fruit and veg is more of a concern.You will be wanting some control over who actually comes to do it next. Pfffft!
plasticpig said:
Skilled workers isn't the problem. Who is going to pick the fruit and veg is more of a concern.
That was mentioned yesterday in the debates.https://news.sky.com/story/new-visas-for-non-eu-mi...
Closest I could find is that, but I think that's what the government's response was suggesting was happening.
plasticpig said:
Vaud said:
I think the biggest risk is probably wage inflation in the next 24 months driven by loss of FOM (though I am sure visas for skilled workers will be allowed) and a move to near full "employment"
Skilled workers isn't the problem. Who is going to pick the fruit and veg is more of a concern.Vaud said:
Mutter mutter mutter something about 0 hour contracts mutter mutter mutter workers rights mutter mutter mutterThat covers the next three pages from remainers.
For balance, first images of May presenting Plan B; More of Plan A to the cabinet have been leaked:
Slagathore said:
plasticpig said:
Skilled workers isn't the problem. Who is going to pick the fruit and veg is more of a concern.
That was mentioned yesterday in the debates.https://news.sky.com/story/new-visas-for-non-eu-mi...
Closest I could find is that, but I think that's what the government's response was suggesting was happening.
The thought that people in the EU would only move/work somewhere in the EU is crazy, they'll be suggesting nobody from the EU ever moves to north america/Australasia next!
p1stonhead said:
Sway said:
p1stonhead said:
They were a united front at vote leave. And in reality don't actually agree at all on what Brexit should look like.
That is exactly why no leavers can agree what our actual target is. No one knows exactly what anyone else voted for in terms of how we would leave.
Gove isn't a good exemplar - he voted last week for everything he campaigned against during both ref and GE. That is exactly why no leavers can agree what our actual target is. No one knows exactly what anyone else voted for in terms of how we would leave.
He's driven solely by ego and ambition. As soon as he realised May was safe, he jumped back on and does whatever she wants to ensure he doesn't end up back on the back benches.
A proportion of the salary of millions of voters doesn't depend on doing exactly what May wants.
Gove wants the same as most leavers, hence why he has been saying to get out and then negotiate the deal we want, the issue that the backstop created is that this is no longer possible.
He should have resigned like the others once the Chequers/WA proposals were mooted, but status and money trumped principle.
Ghibli said:
OK, let's say we leave with no deal on wto.
Then what?
A complete reset. We start again.Then what?
We will be in the same situation as a billionaire who wants to join every golf club in the country. Each club wants him to join, but they also know that he wants to join them.
The smaller clubs will welcome him with open arms and make him feel like a king. The Wentworths will just see him as yet another punter trying to join and will remind him that there is a queue and he's not at the front.
SpeckledJim said:
Well, if we've got a load of temporary jobs going, and just over there is half a continent on its arse with loads of energetic young people who'd love a temporary job at UK minimum wage, then I reckon I've got a plan...
Not as simple as that though. They will all need to apply for a Tier 3 visa under a no deal brexit and the government has already said that no preferential treatment will be given to EU citizens with regards to work visas after brexit. Estimates put the number of temporary workers required at over 60,000. Given that there were only 160000 work visas issued in a year do you really think the resources will be available to process 60K visas in a reasonable time frame given the flexibility required?Slagathore said:
That was mentioned yesterday in the debates.
https://news.sky.com/story/new-visas-for-non-eu-mi...
Closest I could find is that, but I think that's what the government's response was suggesting was happening.
Google the seasonal agricultural workers scheme and I imagine that will be almost exactly what the government would use, should we ever leave. https://news.sky.com/story/new-visas-for-non-eu-mi...
Closest I could find is that, but I think that's what the government's response was suggesting was happening.
The Dangerous Elk said:
Greening...."the house cannot decide so the people must."
Yes...WE ALREADY DID Justine !
She delivered brexit. Her deal means we leave. You got what you wanted. Just because it’s not the right flavour isn’t her problem, it’s yours. Yes...WE ALREADY DID Justine !
Your wishes as expressed in the referendum are fulfilled. Job done.
If you don’t like the flavour of brexit you should have made it clear what flavour you wanted. So we will probably have to ask again, if you want strawberry , vanilla or pickled onion flavoured brexit.
dai1983 said:
Robertj21a said:
Good to read in The Times today that the IMF thinks Britain will grow at least as fast as its biggest Eurozone neighbours over the next two years.
Presumably, the Remainers will put that down to Fake News.
Only a prediction by so called experts who, if they were any good, would be making millions for themselvesPresumably, the Remainers will put that down to Fake News.
Slagathore said:
That was mentioned yesterday in the debates.
https://news.sky.com/story/new-visas-for-non-eu-mi...
Closest I could find is that, but I think that's what the government's response was suggesting was happening.
Thanks I hadn't seen that. My point still stands that given the inefficiency of government departments there will be issues over issuing the visas in a timely manner. https://news.sky.com/story/new-visas-for-non-eu-mi...
Closest I could find is that, but I think that's what the government's response was suggesting was happening.
MDMetal said:
Indeed, the fact that people would suddenly stop coming is laughable. I'd wager that a lot of EU people leaving are doing so because their home countries are for the most part much better than when they left. Poland for example is a fantastic place. I can well understand many Poles wanting to return home as things start to look up. Is some of it really Brexit? maybe but surely only a tiny part.
The thought that people in the EU would only move/work somewhere in the EU is crazy, they'll be suggesting nobody from the EU ever moves to north america/Australasia next!
A lot of people are also leaving because England isn't the easy ride it once was and our public services are getting worse. I've heard a lot of complaints from my European friends about the NHS for example.The thought that people in the EU would only move/work somewhere in the EU is crazy, they'll be suggesting nobody from the EU ever moves to north america/Australasia next!
Some have also made enough money here that they can go back home and live comfortably or even buy a property etc. Financial reasons are the main incentive for being here for many and when that is gone, why would they stay?
toppstuff said:
She delivered brexit. Her deal means we leave. You got what you wanted. Just because it’s not the right flavour isn’t her problem, it’s yours.
Your wishes as expressed in the referendum are fulfilled. Job done.
If you don’t like the flavour of brexit you should have made it clear what flavour you wanted. So we will probably have to ask again, if you want strawberry , vanilla or pickled onion flavoured brexit.
Not according to the manifesto she stood under... Your wishes as expressed in the referendum are fulfilled. Job done.
If you don’t like the flavour of brexit you should have made it clear what flavour you wanted. So we will probably have to ask again, if you want strawberry , vanilla or pickled onion flavoured brexit.
plasticpig said:
SpeckledJim said:
Well, if we've got a load of temporary jobs going, and just over there is half a continent on its arse with loads of energetic young people who'd love a temporary job at UK minimum wage, then I reckon I've got a plan...
Not as simple as that though. They will all need to apply for a Tier 3 visa under a no deal brexit and the government has already said that no preferential treatment will be given to EU citizens with regards to work visas after brexit. Estimates put the number of temporary workers required at over 60,000. Given that there were only 160000 work visas issued in a year do you really think the resources will be available to process 60K visas in a reasonable time frame given the flexibility required?Sounds like a job for those great guys at Capita...
Vaud said:
When do all the promised job losses start then ? I was promised hundreds of thousands to happen years ago, every leading expert put their name to it. toppstuff said:
The Dangerous Elk said:
Greening...."the house cannot decide so the people must."
Yes...WE ALREADY DID Justine !
She delivered brexit. Her deal means we leave. You got what you wanted. Just because it’s not the right flavour isn’t her problem, it’s yours. Yes...WE ALREADY DID Justine !
Your wishes as expressed in the referendum are fulfilled. Job done.
If you don’t like the flavour of brexit you should have made it clear what flavour you wanted. So we will probably have to ask again, if you want strawberry , vanilla or pickled onion flavoured brexit.
If your post is correct and it's job done, why are we fast approaching Vol 8?
Is it just Leavers that don't want the current deal?
Guvernator said:
MDMetal said:
Indeed, the fact that people would suddenly stop coming is laughable. I'd wager that a lot of EU people leaving are doing so because their home countries are for the most part much better than when they left. Poland for example is a fantastic place. I can well understand many Poles wanting to return home as things start to look up. Is some of it really Brexit? maybe but surely only a tiny part.
The thought that people in the EU would only move/work somewhere in the EU is crazy, they'll be suggesting nobody from the EU ever moves to north america/Australasia next!
A lot of people are also leaving because England isn't the easy ride it once was and our public services are getting worse. I've heard a lot of complaints from my European friends about the NHS for example.The thought that people in the EU would only move/work somewhere in the EU is crazy, they'll be suggesting nobody from the EU ever moves to north america/Australasia next!
Some have also made enough money here that they can go back home and live comfortably or even buy a property etc. Financial reasons are the main incentive for being here for many and when that is gone, why would they stay?
Edited by Balmoral on Tuesday 22 January 11:34
Guvernator said:
MDMetal said:
Indeed, the fact that people would suddenly stop coming is laughable. I'd wager that a lot of EU people leaving are doing so because their home countries are for the most part much better than when they left. Poland for example is a fantastic place. I can well understand many Poles wanting to return home as things start to look up. Is some of it really Brexit? maybe but surely only a tiny part.
The thought that people in the EU would only move/work somewhere in the EU is crazy, they'll be suggesting nobody from the EU ever moves to north america/Australasia next!
A lot of people are also leaving because England isn't the easy ride it once was and our public services are getting worse. I've heard a lot of complaints from my European friends about the NHS for example.The thought that people in the EU would only move/work somewhere in the EU is crazy, they'll be suggesting nobody from the EU ever moves to north america/Australasia next!
Some have also made enough money here that they can go back home and live comfortably or even buy a property etc. Financial reasons are the main incentive for being here for many and when that is gone, why would they stay?
Sway said:
toppstuff said:
She delivered brexit. Her deal means we leave. You got what you wanted. Just because it’s not the right flavour isn’t her problem, it’s yours.
Your wishes as expressed in the referendum are fulfilled. Job done.
If you don’t like the flavour of brexit you should have made it clear what flavour you wanted. So we will probably have to ask again, if you want strawberry , vanilla or pickled onion flavoured brexit.
Not according to the manifesto she stood under... Your wishes as expressed in the referendum are fulfilled. Job done.
If you don’t like the flavour of brexit you should have made it clear what flavour you wanted. So we will probably have to ask again, if you want strawberry , vanilla or pickled onion flavoured brexit.
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