Was Hitler really right wing?

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midenginedcoupe

4,098 posts

71 months

Monday 21st January
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Astonishing.

Even fking Nazis think this idea is nuts.

https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t615981/

Did the OP not get the answer they were looking for on their regular forum so came here to ask instead?

Balmoral

31,466 posts

187 months

Monday 21st January
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andy_s said:
OP got his answer on page 1.

Not left, not right, a bit right of centre.

otolith

36,893 posts

143 months

Monday 21st January
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Countdown said:
otolith said:
Countdown said:
Is there a Far-Right Party which isn't racist?
Depends, does you definition of "a Far-Right Party" include "racist"?
It always has done because I've never read about one which isn't...however I'm happy to be corrected.
That's how it's used, but it is used as a label when the way that it is formulated suggests that it indicates a place on a continuum.

Would you describe as "far right" a party which was scrupulously fair on issues of ethnicity, sexuality, gender, etc, but which advocated privatising every function of the state other than defence and law and order and implementing a very low, flat tax rate?

Isaac Hunt

Original Poster:

9,453 posts

150 months

Monday 21st January
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Balmoral said:
A far right party is automatically labelled racist, even if it isn't.

A racist party is automatically labelled far right, even if it isn't.

Thems the rules.

Doesn't help does it?

smile
That is it in a nutshell. Where as the truth is far more complex than just left and right.

ape x

903 posts

16 months

Monday 21st January
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So if we say Hitler was a 'Leftie'..... does that somehow validate being a Neo Nazi?

I don't understand.

The point is Hitler killed loads of Jews and was pro master race.
Whether he was left or right means nothing in the current world..... what matters is that if you are pro Hitler you are ascribing to the symbolic culture of hating people who are not 'white' or Master race......
Clearly in this age we would call that Far Right..... I honestly don't think Neo Nazi's are wanting to be called Leftie snowflakes.......

Go onto stormfront and call them lefties and see how far it gets you....



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JuanCarlosFandango

778 posts

10 months

Monday 21st January
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Lord Marylebone said:
Just to add:

This is how it happens again. This sort of thing right here.

Everyone involved in the Second World War eventually dies. Their first person accounts of the utter horror of that time die with them.

People begin blaming their problems on other people. On other races. On other religions.

Trump gets voted in. Says staggeringly vile things. People cheer.

Brexit gets voted for. Many voters mutter things about immigration.

People start feeling free to spout in public at ‘hearing foreign languages on the bus’ and ‘seeing too many brown faces in the street’.

Daily news articles on social media begin to fill with comments from thousands of people saying things about other humans that I do not want to repeat. Many other stand on the sidelines nodding in agreement.

Threads get started where people will probably end up saying things that paint Hitler in a slightly more favourable light.

Then eventually, an extremely charismatic, forceful and vocal politician will come along and tell the whole country that that all their problems are caused by immigrants, brown people, gypsies, Muslims, Jews, the disabled.

They will say that things can be ‘better’.

The people will roar their approval.

Edited by Lord Marylebone on Monday 21st January 07:39
Assuming all tyranny is the result of angry men shouting things about certain groups and getting widespread support is looking at it through a very particular lense.

It pretty well did happen again in the Soviet Union and China where calling someone a fascist or reactionary or counbter revolutionary was licence to send them for re-education, many never to return. The banner of internationalism was all the excuse needed to invade foreign countries, and secular humanism drove churches, mosques and synagogues underground.


Whether or not Hitler was right wing will only ever depend on your definition of the term. There's no universal definition that will decide the matter. If you associate it with racism then he was right wing. If you associate it with a love of tradition and limited state power then he was certainly not.

What Hitler definitely was was a tyrant who concentrated the power of an already powerful state and then abused that power for his own twisted ends. I don't think the evil of the man can be reduced to any specific ideology or prejudice, they were just the ones that were expedient at the time to enable him to get to the position he did. I think the best defence against that is not to look for small angry men with a knack for oratory and a dislike of the Jews, but look for concentrations of unchecked power and intolerance of alternative views.

ape x

903 posts

16 months

Monday 21st January
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Balmoral said:
Countdown said:
Is there a Far-Right Party which isn't racist?
A far right party is automatically labelled racist, even if it isn't.

A racist party is automatically labelled far right, even if it isn't.

Thems the rules.

Doesn't help does it?

smile

That's not to say that there aren't parties who are both far right and racist in actuality rather than labelling, but it wouldn't be many of the usual suspects.

Edited by Balmoral on Monday 21st January 18:20
Name a far right party that isn't racist then.... genuine question...
Biggest issue is that some PHers think being 'racist' means simply sticking dog st through Mr Patels letter box...

ape x

903 posts

16 months

Monday 21st January
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Lefties...




otolith

36,893 posts

143 months

Monday 21st January
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ape x said:
Lefties...



I suspect that the bottom group would consider the top one to be pinko commie bds if they knew their economic politics.

Randy Winkman

6,176 posts

128 months

Monday 21st January
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midenginedcoupe said:
Astonishing.

Even fking Nazis think this idea is nuts.

https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t615981/

Did the OP not get the answer they were looking for on their regular forum so came here to ask instead?
Nice link. It's just so that some people can divide things up into "right wing good" and "left wing bad". There are some on PH who defend the right wing term like someone defending their football team.

otolith

36,893 posts

143 months

Monday 21st January
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Randy Winkman said:
Nice link. It's just so that some people can divide things up into "right wing good" and "left wing bad".
Is that not exactly what the conflation of racism and liberal economics does, with the boot on the other foot?

Balmoral

31,466 posts

187 months

Monday 21st January
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ape x said:
Name a far right party that isn't racist then.... genuine question...
How about the third largest political party in the United States, the Libertarian Party.

StanleyT

685 posts

18 months

Monday 21st January
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Smiler. said:
I though Hitler was Right Whig:
Surely he was Reich Wing?

Randy Winkman

6,176 posts

128 months

Monday 21st January
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otolith said:
Randy Winkman said:
Nice link. It's just so that some people can divide things up into "right wing good" and "left wing bad".
Is that not exactly what the conflation of racism and liberal economics does, with the boot on the other foot?
Sorry, don't understand.




otolith

36,893 posts

143 months

Monday 21st January
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Randy Winkman said:
otolith said:
Randy Winkman said:
Nice link. It's just so that some people can divide things up into "right wing good" and "left wing bad".
Is that not exactly what the conflation of racism and liberal economics does, with the boot on the other foot?
Sorry, don't understand.
Right wing bad, left wing good because somehow being a fiscal conservative is just like being a racist.

Halb

46,573 posts

122 months

Monday 21st January
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Randy Winkman said:
Nice link. It's just so that some people can divide things up into "right wing good" and "left wing bad". There are some on PH who defend the right wing term like someone defending their football team.
It's what Jordan Peterson calls, 'animus possession.' A popular meme is NPC.

Randy Winkman

6,176 posts

128 months

Monday 21st January
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otolith said:
Randy Winkman said:
otolith said:
Randy Winkman said:
Nice link. It's just so that some people can divide things up into "right wing good" and "left wing bad".
Is that not exactly what the conflation of racism and liberal economics does, with the boot on the other foot?
Sorry, don't understand.
Right wing bad, left wing good because somehow being a fiscal conservative is just like being a racist.
Well I'm certainly not saying that. There's good stuff and crappy stuff everywhere. Some don't appear to think that though.

williamp

16,344 posts

212 months

Monday 21st January
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ape x said:
Lefties...



Ultra leftie..



..mind you, he is very comfortable with the Jewish community and is a cuddly, friendly sort.

Cbull

4,155 posts

110 months

Monday 21st January
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Lord Marylebone said:
Just to add:
Trump gets voted in. Says staggeringly vile things. People cheer.
Geniune question as obviously I've been on another planet. What are the vile things you speak of?

Pappyjohn

178 posts

10 months

Monday 21st January
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midenginedcoupe said:
Astonishing.

Even fking Nazis think this idea is nuts.

https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t615981/

Did the OP not get the answer they were looking for on their regular forum so came here to ask instead?
Great now my internet history is effd forever. I misread it as storefront and thought it would be about roller shutters or something.