Was Hitler really right wing?
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Cbull said:
Lord Marylebone said:
Just to add:
Trump gets voted in. Says staggeringly vile things. People cheer.
Geniune question as obviously I've been on another planet. What are the vile things you speak of? Trump gets voted in. Says staggeringly vile things. People cheer.
I was actually going to start writing a list of all the sexist, racist, offensive, and obnoxious things he has said over the years, but I quickly realised there was far too much to list.
Just google “worst things Donald Trump has said” and similar searches, and begin reading.
Lord Marylebone said:
You cannot be serious?
I was actually going to start writing a list of all the sexist, racist, offensive, and obnoxious things he has said over the years, but I quickly realised there was far too much to list.
Just google “worst things Donald Trump has said” and similar searches, and begin reading.
Maybe ask yourself and question why people are prepared to vote for him ?I was actually going to start writing a list of all the sexist, racist, offensive, and obnoxious things he has said over the years, but I quickly realised there was far too much to list.
Just google “worst things Donald Trump has said” and similar searches, and begin reading.
(Hint: Shouting racist/womaniser does not give you an answer)
Dindoit said:
It’s genuinely hilarious watching them stumble over themselves to paint Hitler as a liberal leftie and whitewash his systematic extermination of millions.
Whatever your analysis of his economic policies, you’d have to be mental to describe him as “Liberal” in any sense. The mass murder bit is not a good left/right differentiator.
otolith said:
Dindoit said:
It’s genuinely hilarious watching them stumble over themselves to paint Hitler as a liberal leftie and whitewash his systematic extermination of millions.
Whatever your analysis of his economic policies, you’d have to be mental to describe him as “Liberal” in any sense. The mass murder bit is not a good left/right differentiator.
Given that mass murderers can be from any part of the political spectrum why is it that some people will argue that Hitler was left-wing but nobody will argue that Stalin/Mao were actually fascists?
Countdown said:
otolith said:
Dindoit said:
It’s genuinely hilarious watching them stumble over themselves to paint Hitler as a liberal leftie and whitewash his systematic extermination of millions.
Whatever your analysis of his economic policies, you’d have to be mental to describe him as “Liberal” in any sense. The mass murder bit is not a good left/right differentiator.
Given that mass murderers can be from any part of the political spectrum why is it that some people will argue that Hitler was left-wing but nobody will argue that Stalin/Mao were actually fascists?
It was argued at the time, though;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_fascism
Countdown said:
otolith said:
Dindoit said:
It’s genuinely hilarious watching them stumble over themselves to paint Hitler as a liberal leftie and whitewash his systematic extermination of millions.
Whatever your analysis of his economic policies, you’d have to be mental to describe him as “Liberal” in any sense. The mass murder bit is not a good left/right differentiator.
Given that mass murderers can be from any part of the political spectrum why is it that some people will argue that Hitler was left-wing but nobody will argue that Stalin/Mao were actually fascists?
I think the main reason they're not usually described as such is that fascism isn't such a well defined doctrine as communism. Because both Mao and Stalin described themselves as communist and followed communist revolutions people generally accept that definition.
I prefer to think of them and Hitler as simply tyrants who used their claimed ideologies as an animating narrative and a cover for their tyranny, rather than heavy handed ideologues.
This does leave the door open to the claim that China and the USSR were not following 'real' communism, which is benign and wonderful (and less frequently that Hitler was not following 'real' fascism or nationalism), but that is a legitimate argument. My response would be that attempts to follow those doctrines end in tyranny because they concentrate too much power in too few hands.
Chapter I of Hugh Miller's Old Red Sandstone published in 1841 lays this path out beautifully and if social agitators had read that rather than Marx then the 20th century may have been far less bloody..
https://archive.org/details/oldredsandstone12millg...
Very nice JCF, and I agree with your hierarchy.
Perhaps apposite:
“The surest way to work up a crusade in favor of some good cause is to promise people they will have a chance of maltreating someone. To be able to destroy with good conscience, to be able to behave badly and call your bad behavior 'righteous indignation' — this is the height of psychological luxury, the most delicious of moral treats.”
Aldous Huxley, Crome Yellow
Perhaps apposite:
“The surest way to work up a crusade in favor of some good cause is to promise people they will have a chance of maltreating someone. To be able to destroy with good conscience, to be able to behave badly and call your bad behavior 'righteous indignation' — this is the height of psychological luxury, the most delicious of moral treats.”
Aldous Huxley, Crome Yellow
Dindoit said:
Randy Winkman said:
Would PHers like to tell me if they think that Hitler is primarily remembered for his parties economic policies or because of his fascism, racism, nationalism, war-mongering and persecution of minorities?
It’s genuinely hilarious watching them stumble over themselves to paint Hitler as a liberal leftie and whitewash his systematic extermination of millions.At the same time it’s mildly terrifying when someone tells you to “read a book” because of course Hitler was only doing what everyone else at the time was thinking.
We’re a couple of posts away from HITLER DID NOTHING WRONG.
ps, whenever anyone on here states that the poor and stupid are out breeding the rich and intelligent, they're right on the doorstep of eugenics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_planning_...
NAZI is the go to word for 'intolerance', which is why people use it against both left and right etc.
Feminazi's for example.... or Anna Sobury
Its not the gassing of the Jews or Hitlers political views, it is his/their intolerance to people who weren't 'Nazi'.
I have called a traffic warden a 'Nazi', i wasn't actually accusing them of War crimes and suspected them to of been a part of gassing 6 million Jews...... I called him a Nazi because he was / is a
.
Whole other can of worms though is the Far rights love of the Nazi symbolism like the salute and the flags etc.....
So if someone on the left / right or the far extremes of that re being intolerant then Nazi fits.
If someone is doing a Nazi salute then.....clearly to call them a Nazi is fair play and must give them some personal pride no?
Quick example as a cultural shift, I used to work with some Muslim guys and we were work mates and had plenty of banter. I would say "Alright ISIS calm down" if ever they got worked up or angry about anything, even as daft and moaning about say a traffic jam....
Its mostly just banter. I have been called a Nazi before and my Gran is Jewish!
Act like a get called a Nazi.....so what...move on...banter.
Feminazi's for example.... or Anna Sobury
Its not the gassing of the Jews or Hitlers political views, it is his/their intolerance to people who weren't 'Nazi'.
I have called a traffic warden a 'Nazi', i wasn't actually accusing them of War crimes and suspected them to of been a part of gassing 6 million Jews...... I called him a Nazi because he was / is a
.Whole other can of worms though is the Far rights love of the Nazi symbolism like the salute and the flags etc.....
So if someone on the left / right or the far extremes of that re being intolerant then Nazi fits.
If someone is doing a Nazi salute then.....clearly to call them a Nazi is fair play and must give them some personal pride no?
Quick example as a cultural shift, I used to work with some Muslim guys and we were work mates and had plenty of banter. I would say "Alright ISIS calm down" if ever they got worked up or angry about anything, even as daft and moaning about say a traffic jam....
Its mostly just banter. I have been called a Nazi before and my Gran is Jewish!
Act like a
get called a Nazi.....so what...move on...banter.Edited by ape x on Friday 25th January 08:19
ape x said:
NAZI is the go to word for 'intolerance', which is why people use it against both left and right etc.
Feminazi's for example.... or Anna Sobury
Its not the gassing of the Jews or Hitlers political views, it is his/their intolerance to people who weren't 'Nazi'.
I have called a traffic warden a 'Nazi', i wasn't actually accusing them of War crimes and suspected them to of been a part of gassing 6 million Jews...... I called him a Nazi because he was / is a.
Whole other can of worms though is the Far rights love of the Nazi symbolism like the salute and the flags etc.....
So if someone on the left / right or the far extremes of that re being intolerant then Nazi fits.
If someone is doing a Nazi salute then.....clearly to call them a Nazi is fair play and must give them some personal pride no?
Quick example as a cultural shift, I used to work with some Muslim guys and we were work mates and had plenty of banter. I would say "Alright ISIS calm down" if ever they got worked up or angry about anything, even as daft and moaning about say a traffic jam....
Its mostly just banter. I have been called a Nazi before and my Gran is Jewish!
Act like a get called a Nazi.....so what...move on...banter.
Bullying is often disguised as banter. Banter's a two way street, as soon as one party feels uncomfortable the line has been crossed. Feminazi's for example.... or Anna Sobury
Its not the gassing of the Jews or Hitlers political views, it is his/their intolerance to people who weren't 'Nazi'.
I have called a traffic warden a 'Nazi', i wasn't actually accusing them of War crimes and suspected them to of been a part of gassing 6 million Jews...... I called him a Nazi because he was / is a
.Whole other can of worms though is the Far rights love of the Nazi symbolism like the salute and the flags etc.....
So if someone on the left / right or the far extremes of that re being intolerant then Nazi fits.
If someone is doing a Nazi salute then.....clearly to call them a Nazi is fair play and must give them some personal pride no?
Quick example as a cultural shift, I used to work with some Muslim guys and we were work mates and had plenty of banter. I would say "Alright ISIS calm down" if ever they got worked up or angry about anything, even as daft and moaning about say a traffic jam....
Its mostly just banter. I have been called a Nazi before and my Gran is Jewish!
Act like a
get called a Nazi.....so what...move on...banter.Edited by ape x on Friday 25th January 08:19
From the other end of the telescope, was Stalin really left-wing?
As soon as Barbarossa kicked off, IIRC he reintroduced old Russian medals/decorations, and started using 'Russia' in propaganda rather then "Soviet Union".
All sounds a bit like rather a nationalist take on socialism to me...
As soon as Barbarossa kicked off, IIRC he reintroduced old Russian medals/decorations, and started using 'Russia' in propaganda rather then "Soviet Union".
All sounds a bit like rather a nationalist take on socialism to me...
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