Was Hitler really right wing?

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Dindoit

1,645 posts

33 months

Monday 21st January
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Randy Winkman said:
Would PHers like to tell me if they think that Hitler is primarily remembered for his parties economic policies or because of his fascism, racism, nationalism, war-mongering and persecution of minorities?
It’s genuinely hilarious watching them stumble over themselves to paint Hitler as a liberal leftie and whitewash his systematic extermination of millions.

At the same time it’s mildly terrifying when someone tells you to “read a book” because of course Hitler was only doing what everyone else at the time was thinking.

We’re a couple of posts away from HITLER DID NOTHING WRONG.

StanleyT

674 posts

18 months

Monday 21st January
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Dindoit said:
It’s genuinely hilarious watching them stumble over themselves to paint Hitler as a liberal leftie and whitewash his systematic extermination of millions.

At the same time it’s mildly terrifying when someone tells you to “read a book” because of course Hitler was only doing what everyone else at the time was thinking.

We’re a couple of posts away from HITLER DID NOTHING WRONG.
Of course we could argue that also the British Empire and Slavery never did anything wrong, their systematic extermination of millions just being in line with the zeitgeist at the time.

All context, point of view and situationalism, which as none of us was there at the time, we all have to rely on interpretation, fact and allegorical statements.

And they (Hilter, British colonial rulers, slave traders) all had marvellous moustaches so there is a common theme, as also is the theme that in the context of time, when the chips were down, at the end of the day, all things considered, not to rule any future options out, the masses of the time all thought that neither the slavers, the Imperialists, nor HITLER DID NOTHING WRONG.

I'm not an apologist for Hitler by the way, good PR man he was 9/10, moustache 10/10, strategic thinking 7/10, tactitian, 2/10. Donitz, now there was a Furher....if he'd have been in charge from the start we'd all be saurkraut essen und die Frauliens streicheln, tres Grobbe. Free thinking capitalist apparently.

vonuber

10,994 posts

104 months

Monday 21st January
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Cbull said:
Geniune question as obviously I've been on another planet. What are the vile things you speak of?
Well clearly you have been if you have to ask.

The Dangerous Elk

4,642 posts

16 months

Monday 21st January
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Hitler/Nazi Party was a manifistation of the time. Hitler and the Nazis have little or no direct relevance in today's world other than an inaccurate label applied for effect/shut down or as a bullst description of any legal party.

It is a stupid as accusing someone of being "a little bit Carthaginian"

Right Wing Scum/Left Wing Scum, it all stinks.

The Dangerous Elk

4,642 posts

16 months

Monday 21st January
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Balmoral said:
Don't forget the Centreist Scum.
No such thing.

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Balmoral

31,466 posts

187 months

Monday 21st January
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Er, joke.

(I should have used an emoji)

The Dangerous Elk

4,642 posts

16 months

Monday 21st January
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Send the parrot to :


B'stard Child

17,045 posts

185 months

Monday 21st January
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kurt535 said:
That was great; I came out same as Gandhi!
Blimey........ I thought I was centrist


jakesmith

3,426 posts

110 months

Monday 21st January
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The Dangerous Elk said:
No such thing.
Blair?

The Dangerous Elk

4,642 posts

16 months

Monday 21st January
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jakesmith said:
Blair?
He is now.

You do have to wonder if the "Globalists" are the new world evil at birth.

Lord Marylebone

8,036 posts

119 months

Monday 21st January
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Cbull said:
Lord Marylebone said:
Just to add:
Trump gets voted in. Says staggeringly vile things. People cheer.
Geniune question as obviously I've been on another planet. What are the vile things you speak of?
You cannot be serious?

I was actually going to start writing a list of all the sexist, racist, offensive, and obnoxious things he has said over the years, but I quickly realised there was far too much to list.

Just google “worst things Donald Trump has said” and similar searches, and begin reading.

The Dangerous Elk

4,642 posts

16 months

Monday 21st January
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Lord Marylebone said:
You cannot be serious?

I was actually going to start writing a list of all the sexist, racist, offensive, and obnoxious things he has said over the years, but I quickly realised there was far too much to list.

Just google “worst things Donald Trump has said” and similar searches, and begin reading.
Maybe ask yourself and question why people are prepared to vote for him ?

(Hint: Shouting racist/womaniser does not give you an answer)

B'stard Child

17,045 posts

185 months

Tuesday 22nd January
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Balmoral said:
B'stard Child said:
rofl

Please tell me you rigged your answers or photoshopped the result. If that's real, you need serious help!
Of course I did biggrin

I mean seriously - you think the test would allow the result to go off the chart wink

B'stard Child

17,045 posts

185 months

Tuesday 22nd January
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Actual result



Of course I couldn't post it on here for fear of being called a left wing wker biggrin

B'stard Child

17,045 posts

185 months

Tuesday 22nd January
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Balmoral said:
Where do parrots go on the political compass?
Depends on the colour biggrin

otolith

36,882 posts

143 months

Tuesday 22nd January
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Dindoit said:
It’s genuinely hilarious watching them stumble over themselves to paint Hitler as a liberal leftie and whitewash his systematic extermination of millions.
Whatever your analysis of his economic policies, you’d have to be mental to describe him as “Liberal” in any sense.

The mass murder bit is not a good left/right differentiator.

BrassMan

1,217 posts

128 months

Tuesday 22nd January
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B'stard Child said:
kurt535 said:
That was great; I came out same as Gandhi!
Blimey........ I thought I was centrist

Everyone does. smile

Countdown

22,397 posts

135 months

Wednesday 23rd January
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otolith said:
Dindoit said:
It’s genuinely hilarious watching them stumble over themselves to paint Hitler as a liberal leftie and whitewash his systematic extermination of millions.
Whatever your analysis of his economic policies, you’d have to be mental to describe him as “Liberal” in any sense.

The mass murder bit is not a good left/right differentiator.
Agreed.

Given that mass murderers can be from any part of the political spectrum why is it that some people will argue that Hitler was left-wing but nobody will argue that Stalin/Mao were actually fascists?

otolith

36,882 posts

143 months

Wednesday 23rd January
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Countdown said:
otolith said:
Dindoit said:
It’s genuinely hilarious watching them stumble over themselves to paint Hitler as a liberal leftie and whitewash his systematic extermination of millions.
Whatever your analysis of his economic policies, you’d have to be mental to describe him as “Liberal” in any sense.

The mass murder bit is not a good left/right differentiator.
Agreed.

Given that mass murderers can be from any part of the political spectrum why is it that some people will argue that Hitler was left-wing but nobody will argue that Stalin/Mao were actually fascists?
"Two cheeks of the same arse"

It was argued at the time, though;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_fascism

JuanCarlosFandango

768 posts

10 months

Wednesday 23rd January
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Countdown said:
otolith said:
Dindoit said:
It’s genuinely hilarious watching them stumble over themselves to paint Hitler as a liberal leftie and whitewash his systematic extermination of millions.
Whatever your analysis of his economic policies, you’d have to be mental to describe him as “Liberal” in any sense.

The mass murder bit is not a good left/right differentiator.
Agreed.

Given that mass murderers can be from any part of the political spectrum why is it that some people will argue that Hitler was left-wing but nobody will argue that Stalin/Mao were actually fascists?
I wouldn't defend them against that label.

I think the main reason they're not usually described as such is that fascism isn't such a well defined doctrine as communism. Because both Mao and Stalin described themselves as communist and followed communist revolutions people generally accept that definition.

I prefer to think of them and Hitler as simply tyrants who used their claimed ideologies as an animating narrative and a cover for their tyranny, rather than heavy handed ideologues.

This does leave the door open to the claim that China and the USSR were not following 'real' communism, which is benign and wonderful (and less frequently that Hitler was not following 'real' fascism or nationalism), but that is a legitimate argument. My response would be that attempts to follow those doctrines end in tyranny because they concentrate too much power in too few hands.

Chapter I of Hugh Miller's Old Red Sandstone published in 1841 lays this path out beautifully and if social agitators had read that rather than Marx then the 20th century may have been far less bloody..

https://archive.org/details/oldredsandstone12millg...