Man stabbed for his Focus RS

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Blue Oval84

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4,566 posts

99 months

Monday 21st January
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I did try searching to see if there's a thread already running but couldn't find it.

Obviously a very unusual occurrence but in the unlikely event I ever find someone mid-theft of my vehicle I honestly think they're welcome to it. Crawling to a nearby cafe with a stab wound to the chest seems an undesireable outcome.

I've no doubt there'll be a few on here who would have dominated the pavement or something but I just don't think a car is worth the risk...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6615879/C...


Smiljan

6,897 posts

135 months

Monday 21st January
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I wonder how the criminal got into his car in the first place. Sadly weasley insurance companies will quite happily not pay out if they have evidence you handed over the keys just because someone asked for them.

I agree though, knife to the chest isn't worth it for a car, hopefully this attacker will be found and put away quickly.

Nickbrapp

2,494 posts

68 months

Monday 21st January
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Smiljan said:
I wonder how the criminal got into his car in the first place. Sadly weasley insurance companies will quite happily not pay out if they have evidence you handed over the keys just because someone asked for them.

I agree though, knife to the chest isn't worth it for a car, hopefully this attacker will be found and put away quickly.
Opened the door most likely? Fords don’t have central locking that locks atutomaticly at a certain speed, I always had to manually do it in my old ST, same in the current gen mondeo.

Something to do with if you crash not knowing if the doors will unlock, although every other car maker can manage it

Blue Oval84

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99 months

Monday 21st January
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The car was parked at the time and the victim returned to find the scrote in mid-theft.

It could be as simple as he broke the window, reached in and unlocked, although most likely there's a less crude method of entry than that.

Smiljan

6,897 posts

135 months

Monday 21st January
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Do these unlock with keyless entry? Maybe the scrote just hopped in as it was open.
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Ahbefive

11,546 posts

110 months

Monday 21st January
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It does seem to disproportionately be black people that get stabby. What is going through these idiots minds? He didn't even get the car but felt the need to stab some innocent chap minding his own business.

Edited by Ahbefive on Monday 21st January 20:12

lbc

2,592 posts

155 months

Monday 21st January
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Ahbefive said:
It does seem to disproportionately be black people that get stabby. What is going through these idiots minds? He didn't even get the car but felt the need to stab some innocent chap minding his own business.
Should have called the Police, and not got involved.

Most criminals and nutters seem to carry knives regardless of their skin colour.

Halb

46,022 posts

121 months

Monday 21st January
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Ahbefive said:
It does seem to disproportionately be black people that get stabby. What is going through these idiots minds? He didn't even get the car but felt the need to stab some innocent chap minding his own business.
Why is that?

Welshbeef

35,203 posts

136 months

Monday 21st January
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Shot that’s horrific.

I’d not stop anyone in progress of nicking my car or anyone else’s. You never know how someone who’s adrenaline is pumping will react.

Vanden Saab

1,615 posts

12 months

Monday 21st January
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Welshbeef said:
Shot that’s horrific.

I’d not stop anyone in progress of nicking my car or anyone else’s. You never know how someone who’s adrenaline is pumping off his face on drugs will react.
FTFY

Jim on the hill

3,594 posts

128 months

Monday 21st January
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Smiljan said:
I wonder how the criminal got into his car in the first place. Sadly weasley insurance companies will quite happily not pay out if they have evidence you handed over the keys just because someone asked for them.

I agree though, knife to the chest isn't worth it for a car, hopefully this attacker will be found and put away quickly.
I don't think you would find many if any insurers that would expect you to fight to the death.

Below is a standard example of a policy exclusion (not that anyone bothers to read them). All seems pretty reasonable to me

"Loss or damage caused by theft or attempted theft if you leave your car unlocked, or leave the engine running, or leave the key Or ignition device in, attached to or in the immediate proximity of Your car, or if you leave a window or sun-roof open"

Blue Oval84

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Monday 21st January
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Vanden Saab said:
Welshbeef said:
Shot that’s horrific.

I’d not stop anyone in progress of nicking my car or anyone else’s. You never know how someone who’s adrenaline is pumping off his face on drugs will react.
FTFY
Very unlikely.

The average thief using a key cloner or similar to steal a Focus RS is unlikely to be off their face on smack at the time. I think you're confusing modern car thieves with junkies stealing a block of cheese and a bottle of Vodka from their local Happy Shopper.

The type of people that take these cars will generally either be using them to commit another serious crime, or will have them whisked away to a chop shop or container somewhere very quickly.

Ahbefive

11,546 posts

110 months

Monday 21st January
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lbc said:
Most criminals and nutters seem to carry knives regardless of their skin colour.
I don't think that is correct at all. Out of videos I see about this sort of thing I'd say 90% if not more are black or maybe it's just the type of crime that attracts a certain type.

Either way there must be a common denominator that lures a certain type to this stabby sort of crime and it needs addressing. Denying the facts is not a way to address it.

Whoozit

1,673 posts

207 months

Monday 21st January
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My wife goes to that cafe at least once a week for coffee with friends. My daughter went to primary school 400 metres away. I've bought wine many times from the Good Wine Shop in the picture.

Shivers down my spine. There but for the grace of random chance.

lbc

2,592 posts

155 months

Monday 21st January
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Ahbefive said:
lbc said:
Most criminals and nutters seem to carry knives regardless of their skin colour.
I don't think that is correct at all. Out of videos I see about this sort of thing I'd say 90% if not more are black or maybe it's just the type of crime that attracts a certain type.

Either way there must be a common denominator that lures a certain type to this stabby sort of crime and it needs addressing. Denying the facts is not a way to address it.
How would you fix the problem?

Stop and search was scaled down as ethnics complained they were being targeted if I am not mistaken?

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk...

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2017/oct/26/stop-a...

Maybe there are just more blacks living in cities like London, Birmingham, Manchester etc?

Vanden Saab

1,615 posts

12 months

Monday 21st January
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Blue Oval84 said:
Vanden Saab said:
Welshbeef said:
Shot that’s horrific.

I’d not stop anyone in progress of nicking my car or anyone else’s. You never know how someone who’s adrenaline is pumping off his face on drugs will react.
FTFY
Very unlikely.

The average thief using a key cloner or similar to steal a Focus RS is unlikely to be off their face on smack at the time. I think you're confusing modern car thieves with junkies stealing a block of cheese and a bottle of Vodka from their local Happy Shopper.

The type of people that take these cars will generally either be using them to commit another serious crime, or will have them whisked away to a chop shop or container somewhere very quickly.
You mentioned smack and junkies not me...I said drugs.

Halb

46,022 posts

121 months

Monday 21st January
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Welshbeef said:
Shot that’s horrific.

I’d not stop anyone in progress of nicking my car or anyone else’s. You never know how someone who’s adrenaline is pumping will react.
YOu never know how you'd react yourself. I thought a bunch of blokes was trying to take my car once, I sprinted up towards it to deter them, it just happened, didn't think about it.

Smiljan

6,897 posts

135 months

Monday 21st January
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Jim on the hill said:
Smiljan said:
I wonder how the criminal got into his car in the first place. Sadly weasley insurance companies will quite happily not pay out if they have evidence you handed over the keys just because someone asked for them.

I agree though, knife to the chest isn't worth it for a car, hopefully this attacker will be found and put away quickly.
I don't think you would find many if any insurers that would expect you to fight to the death.

Below is a standard example of a policy exclusion (not that anyone bothers to read them). All seems pretty reasonable to me

"Loss or damage caused by theft or attempted theft if you leave your car unlocked, or leave the engine running, or leave the key Or ignition device in, attached to or in the immediate proximity of Your car, or if you leave a window or sun-roof open"
They often make use of claims that owners didn't take reasonable precautions to prevent theft. If you willingly hand over the keys with no threat of violence I'm pretty sure many insurance companies would make a claim difficult.

In this case you leave your car unlocked to nip to the cafe for a takeaway coffee, when you come back stabby tt is in the car and demands the keys. If you said "yes sir no problem, here are my keys" do you think the insurance would pay out?

poo at Paul's

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113 months

Monday 21st January
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Halb said:
YOu never know how you'd react yourself. I thought a bunch of blokes was trying to take my car once, I sprinted up towards it to deter them, it just happened, didn't think about it.
I caught some guys last year breaking into a neighbours van at 1am, from my bedroom window, shouted at them and they made threats toward me with firearms (hand guns)...……......I grabbed my keys and phone and chase in my stty old estate car, whilst in just my pants!
Chased them and caught them after about 8miles, followed them for another 25 given cops a commentary from the car, but they (cops) were over an hour away! Hopeless. Eventually got low on fuel on the mway so had to let them go. My thought process was pretty much, "fk you, you s" and I got after them!
Cops said it was a stupid idea, but it was just what I did, so you never know how or what you will do.
The cops are nowhere, which is why these fkers do what they do, having been rumbled mid job, and then chased caught and followed for over 30 miles, maybe they will go to easier pickings next time?

selym

6,713 posts

109 months

Monday 21st January
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Halb said:
Welshbeef said:
Shot that’s horrific.

I’d not stop anyone in progress of nicking my car or anyone else’s. You never know how someone who’s adrenaline is pumping will react.
YOu never know how you'd react yourself. I thought a bunch of blokes was trying to take my car once, I sprinted up towards it to deter them, it just happened, didn't think about it.
Were there any stairs between you and them? hehe