Man stabbed for his Focus RS
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Ahbefive said:
It does seem to disproportionately be black people that get stabby. What is going through these idiots minds? He didn't even get the car but felt the need to stab some innocent chap minding his own business.
There's a Hitler thread running elsewhere that you'd love dude.Edited by Ahbefive on Monday 21st January 20:12
Smiljan said:
Jim on the hill said:
Smiljan said:
I wonder how the criminal got into his car in the first place. Sadly weasley insurance companies will quite happily not pay out if they have evidence you handed over the keys just because someone asked for them.
I agree though, knife to the chest isn't worth it for a car, hopefully this attacker will be found and put away quickly.
I don't think you would find many if any insurers that would expect you to fight to the death. I agree though, knife to the chest isn't worth it for a car, hopefully this attacker will be found and put away quickly.
Below is a standard example of a policy exclusion (not that anyone bothers to read them). All seems pretty reasonable to me
"Loss or damage caused by theft or attempted theft if you leave your car unlocked, or leave the engine running, or leave the key Or ignition device in, attached to or in the immediate proximity of Your car, or if you leave a window or sun-roof open"
In this case you leave your car unlocked to nip to the cafe for a takeaway coffee, when you come back stabby t
t is in the car and demands the keys. If you said "yes sir no problem, here are my keys" do you think the insurance would pay out?Ignoring that and say you did lock it and the scrote demanded your keys, if you thought you were in danger of course you should have them over and yes I can't see how the claim wouldn't be paid.
Maybe the scrote jumped in it while the owner had locked it and turned his back and was walking away to the coffee shop, but was still within the 1-2m where the keyless entry works so that any hand on the driver or passenger door handle unlocks and opens it.
You could do this with my focus (not an RS), the key may well be in my pocket and the car locked or double locked via the on-key lock button, but if I'm still within a certain distance any hand on the door handle will open it, not just my hand. The only noise is the noise of the lock unlocking.
You could do this with my focus (not an RS), the key may well be in my pocket and the car locked or double locked via the on-key lock button, but if I'm still within a certain distance any hand on the door handle will open it, not just my hand. The only noise is the noise of the lock unlocking.
Blue Oval84 said:
Very unlikely.
The average thief using a key cloner or similar to steal a Focus RS is unlikely to be off their face on smack at the time. I think you're confusing modern car thieves with junkies stealing a block of cheese and a bottle of Vodka from their local Happy Shopper.
The type of people that take these cars will generally either be using them to commit another serious crime, or will have them whisked away to a chop shop or container somewhere very quickly.
Serious questions please:The average thief using a key cloner or similar to steal a Focus RS is unlikely to be off their face on smack at the time. I think you're confusing modern car thieves with junkies stealing a block of cheese and a bottle of Vodka from their local Happy Shopper.
The type of people that take these cars will generally either be using them to commit another serious crime, or will have them whisked away to a chop shop or container somewhere very quickly.
1) What is the block of cheese needed for
2) Are Happy Shoppers actually still going?
Nickbrapp said:
Opened the door most likely? Fords don’t have central locking that locks atutomaticly at a certain speed, I always had to manually do it in my old ST, same in the current gen mondeo.
Something to do with if you crash not knowing if the doors will unlock, although every other car maker can manage it
It’s in the system but deactivated for European markets for some weird reason, pathetic reallySomething to do with if you crash not knowing if the doors will unlock, although every other car maker can manage it
The American st/rs have it as an option in the car settings on the satnav
poo at Paul's said:
I caught some guys last year breaking into a neighbours van at 1am, from my bedroom window, shouted at them and they made threats toward me with firearms (hand guns)...……......I grabbed my keys and phone and chase in my stty old estate car, whilst in just my pants!
Chased them and caught them after about 8miles, followed them for another 25 given cops a commentary from the car, but they (cops) were over an hour away! Hopeless. Eventually got low on fuel on the mway so had to let them go. My thought process was pretty much, "fk you, you s" and I got after them!
Cops said it was a stupid idea, but it was just what I did, so you never know how or what you will do.
The cops are nowhere, which is why these fkers do what they do, having been rumbled mid job, and then chased caught and followed for over 30 miles, maybe they will go to easier pickings next time?
I came back to a carpark and caught a guy having a go at the lock on my BX19GTi. Slammed him into the side of the car and grabbed hold of him whilst he said "sorry, sorry, I thought this was my car!"....yeah right. tty old estate car, whilst in just my pants! Chased them and caught them after about 8miles, followed them for another 25 given cops a commentary from the car, but they (cops) were over an hour away! Hopeless. Eventually got low on fuel on the mway so had to let them go. My thought process was pretty much, "f
k you, you s" and I got after them! Cops said it was a stupid idea, but it was just what I did, so you never know how or what you will do.
The cops are nowhere, which is why these f
kers do what they do, having been rumbled mid job, and then chased caught and followed for over 30 miles, maybe they will go to easier pickings next time? I hadn't realised he had a mate working on the other side of the car, also with a screwdriver in hand!
Much shouting commenced and I ended up letting my guy go.
Called the Police and had two cars there in under five minutes, took me for a drive round to see if we could spot them, I gave a statement and they had the area round my door locks finger printed within an hour or so. Ended up having a tea with two officers in a cafe across the road as I was a bit shaken after in the incident...I was in my mid-20s. Tied to a spate of car crime...offenders arrested the next year.
That was around 1997, I remember because I hadn't long got a mobile phone and used it to call the Police.
Fast forward to 2015 - Neighbour lets his son borrow his house whilst he is away for a week. Loud music at 02:00 on a Weds night in a normally very nice quiet street in St Albans.
Another neighbour and I investigate and get threatened (laughably) by this scrawny son - follows my neighbour back to his front door saying he's going to kill us etc...next night he and some friends are trying (obviously unsuccessfully) to overturn cars on the road. I call the Police, mention the previous night, now trying to damage cars with his mates....nothing they can do they say.
Next day I follow up again as we can't have three nights of disruption (I've also got hold of this guy's dad - in the USA, mortified as you might imagine. Ended up with wine and chocolates all round...son never allowed to stay again). Police again really disinterested until I mention that during the first night's disturbance the son had called me and my neighbour a pair of gay
s and said I'll kill you, you fking queers.Crikey - two officers come to see me at my office in town within an hour or so. Am I okay? Er...yeah this kid is about 60kg and my neighbour showed huge restraint in not knocking him out. He followed him to his house and was threatening to kill him and me, backed up by two equally scrawny little s
ts and a drunk screeching girl. Then they tried to overturn people's cars...That's by the by apparently - am I okay after he called me a gay
? Off they go to arrest him for that bit! He's legged it to his mum's in Cardiff by this time....2014: BTP. I got threatened with a stabbing on a Thameslink train by three scumbags, simply by asking them if they wouldn't mind putting some headphones in; as their mobile phone music was annoying everyone. Went from my polite request to full blown threats within 20 seconds.
I continued talking to them in a calm manner, but my then partner got straight on phone to BTP as this was getting nasty - we gonna stab you up mate.
I knew I was going to have to 'dominate the train carriage' (insert internet hard man meme) I genuinely thought this was going to kick off and the first one of them to stand up would have lost an eye. Three on one and threatening to stab me I really felt at that point I might have to fight for my life.
In the end, I think because I was still just trying to reason with them, they decided it was their stop (it clearly wasn't) and left. My partner had been giving the police descriptions and live commentary as to where we were in the journey for twenty minutes. After they got off, other passengers said 'oh good for you for standing up to them', 'well done' etc...yeah where were you then they were threatening to kill me?
Anyway the point is BTP swung into action two days later - could I come to give a statement? Sorry they couldn't despatch any officers to meet these guys off the train but they didn't have any cars available...
Had CCTV from the station, and had the recording from my partner's call in which they could hear the threats etc. Got offered a leaflet as a 'victim of crime'. Last I heard of it.
2018: Friend of mine. Keeps getting woken up, something not right....its two guys inside his car (Audi) on the drive outside (got in through the hatchback) dismantling his dashboard! Ends up running after them clad in just his pants whilst on the phone to the Police. Told by Police to stop but he's very angry and carries on - loses them after a while as they have trainers and he's just in bare feet.
The car thieves have left all their tools behind (some of which he now uses, nice set of screwdrivers..) but after repeated calls can't get Police interested in picking up these tools or doing anything besides giving him a crime number.
Times have changed...my advice: always go to bed in shorts and trainers!
Smiljan said:
I wonder how the criminal got into his car in the first place. Sadly weasley insurance companies will quite happily not pay out if they have evidence you handed over the keys just because someone asked for them.
I’d be surprised if they don’t pay out for a robbery involving a knife somehow. Pappyjohn said:
Ahbefive said:
It does seem to disproportionately be black people that get stabby. What is going through these idiots minds? He didn't even get the car but felt the need to stab some innocent chap minding his own business.
There's a Hitler thread running elsewhere that you'd love dude.If you are unwilling to define / acknowledge an outcome / problem, then how can you solve it?
Rotherham CSE was party caused due to the fear of speaking the truth about disproportionate offending.
Pappyjohn said:
Ahbefive said:
It does seem to disproportionately be black people that get stabby. What is going through these idiots minds? He didn't even get the car but felt the need to stab some innocent chap minding his own business.
There's a Hitler thread running elsewhere that you'd love dude.Edited by Ahbefive on Monday 21st January 20:12
By all means use terms like deprivation to reply to the op, but your Hitler comment makes you appear a moron.
Me and my girlfriend meet up in that road in Kew.
We love it there. So quiet and village like, so unlike London. Would love to move there if we could afford it.
Shocking. Poor fella.
Does seem to be the elephant in the room that no one must mention.
Stabbing does appear to be favoured by certain races. Just look at the attackers in almost all the murders by knife in London last year.
I know I personally will not ask certain young men to turn down their crap music on the tube/train/bus when I'm forced to use public transport.
We love it there. So quiet and village like, so unlike London. Would love to move there if we could afford it.
Shocking. Poor fella.
Does seem to be the elephant in the room that no one must mention.
Stabbing does appear to be favoured by certain races. Just look at the attackers in almost all the murders by knife in London last year.
I know I personally will not ask certain young men to turn down their crap music on the tube/train/bus when I'm forced to use public transport.
Edited by croyde on Tuesday 22 January 07:35
Ahbefive said:
Very funny but I am talking about facts. Denying it is an issue is half of the problem.
Indeed, pappy, you're well off the mark and your post is utterly ignorant. Bury your head in the sand but it's a serious issue, shirking away from it won't solve it (as befive posted). It's a deprivation and education issue, not a biological one. (imo). Add in glorification of violence and gang culture in music genres such as trap / grime / rap is it any wonder a disenfranchised youth with a dangerous mindset is the outcome. They don't give a flying fk, it's all a laugh to them. When you feel you're at the bottom of the pile and disowned by society, what is there to lose? Sadly it's a self fulfilling prophecy, the snake eating it's own tail as the demographic gets singled out it snowballs from there.From here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_th...
There is strong evidence that, once stopped and searched, black people are no more likely than white people to be arrested, suggesting that they are disproportionately targeted. [21] This is arguably due to the fact that black male youths are more likely to commit certain types of crime. The black population of London in 2010 was just over 12%, yet black males were responsible for 54% of street crimes and 59% of gun crimes.
Figures from the Office for National Statistics showed that in 2007 an estimated 10.6 percent of London's population of 7,556,900 were black.[25] Evidence shows that the black population in London boroughs increases with the level of deprivation, and that the level of crime also increases with deprivation, such that "It is clear that ethnicity, deprivation, victimisation and offending are closely and intricately inter-related".[26]
In June 2010, through a Freedom of Information Act request, The Sunday Telegraph obtained statistics on accusations of crime broken down by race from the Metropolitan Police Service.[n 2] The figures showed that the majority of males who were accused of violent crimes in 2009–10 were black. Of the recorded 18,091 such accusations against males, 54 percent accused of street crimes were black; for robbery, 59 percent; and for gun crimes, 67 percent.[27] Robbery, drug use, and gang violence have been associated with black people since the 1960s.[28] In the 1980s and 1990s, the police associated robbery with black people. In 1995, the Metropolitan Police commissioner Paul Condon said that the majority of robberies in London were committed by black people.[29]
No idea what the solution is, personally, I just avoid certain areas of London if it can be helped. Seen enough madness first hand to know I don't want to get caught up in it.
jakesmith said:
Serious questions please:
1) What is the block of cheese needed for
2) Are Happy Shoppers actually still going?
1) Apparently it's one of the most shop lifted items. I saw it on one of those fly-on-the-wall shows so it MUST be true. Something about them being easy to nick, easy to sell on and more expensive than say, a box of cereal relative to it's size.1) What is the block of cheese needed for
2) Are Happy Shoppers actually still going?
2) God knows, I tend to stick to Aldi now.
Vanden Saab said:
Blue Oval84 said:
Vanden Saab said:
Welshbeef said:
Shot that’s horrific.
I’d not stop anyone in progress of nicking my car or anyone else’s. You never know how someone who’s adrenaline is pumping off his face on drugs will react.
FTFYI’d not stop anyone in progress of nicking my car or anyone else’s. You never know how someone who’s
The average thief using a key cloner or similar to steal a Focus RS is unlikely to be off their face on smack at the time. I think you're confusing modern car thieves with junkies stealing a block of cheese and a bottle of Vodka from their local Happy Shopper.
The type of people that take these cars will generally either be using them to commit another serious crime, or will have them whisked away to a chop shop or container somewhere very quickly.
To be fair, even the smack head junkies I discussed are probably not off their face when they rob the local shop, that is after all the reason why they're robbing the local shop! Therefore I'd imagine a professional car thief stealing to order, or stealing to prepare a getaway vehicle for their next crime is hardly likely to be on anything particularly heavy at the time of the crime.
lbc said:
Ahbefive said:
It does seem to disproportionately be black people that get stabby. What is going through these idiots minds? He didn't even get the car but felt the need to stab some innocent chap minding his own business.
Should have called the Police, and not got involved.Most criminals and nutters seem to carry knives regardless of their skin colour.
Whoozit said:
My wife goes to that cafe at least once a week for coffee with friends. My daughter went to primary school 400 metres away. I've bought wine many times from the Good Wine Shop in the picture.
Shivers down my spine. There but for the grace of random chance.
I suggest she finds a new coffee shop in a different area. Shivers down my spine. There but for the grace of random chance.
I always look around before getting in the car just incase someone runs up, also lock doors whilst driving according to what borough I'm driving through.
A few weeks ago I noticed some youths loitering around my car in Asda so I turned on my demon eye (has a range of over 100 meters) and they then left probably as they knew they were being watched. They may have not been doing anything untoward (people photograph my car a lot) but I didn't want to risk it.
I miss my old Saab as if you held down the alarm button on the fob for a few seconds it turned the car into a panic alarm, I often used it when people were parking too close to my car.
The best deterrent against having your car stolen is to have a lightened flywheel and a grabby clutch.
A few weeks ago I noticed some youths loitering around my car in Asda so I turned on my demon eye (has a range of over 100 meters) and they then left probably as they knew they were being watched. They may have not been doing anything untoward (people photograph my car a lot) but I didn't want to risk it.
I miss my old Saab as if you held down the alarm button on the fob for a few seconds it turned the car into a panic alarm, I often used it when people were parking too close to my car.
The best deterrent against having your car stolen is to have a lightened flywheel and a grabby clutch.
Edited by untakenname on Tuesday 22 January 11:50
BoRED S2upid said:
Whoozit said:
My wife goes to that cafe at least once a week for coffee with friends. My daughter went to primary school 400 metres away. I've bought wine many times from the Good Wine Shop in the picture.
Shivers down my spine. There but for the grace of random chance.
I suggest she finds a new coffee shop in a different area. Shivers down my spine. There but for the grace of random chance.
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