Light aircraft disappears with two people on board...
Discussion
Eric Mc said:
ILS is a landing aid and not an indication as to whether the pilot had an instrument rating or not.
That's irrelevant to the point I was making. Although, it could be relevant it he was "rustily" flying it in IMC! But perhaps relevant to what happened on the leg home...….
Who here would have flown in such conditions? Snow forecast, front coming through etc? And why fly at 5000ft, not 20,000ft, a Malibu will do that no worries. I am pretty sure all or nearly all are pressurised.
Possibly a handful of those with an Instrument Ratings may have considered it...….for a short time!
Edited by poo at Paul's on Thursday 24th January 08:13
BlackLabel said:
Some reports suggest that the plane belonged to football agent Willie Mackay.
“The plane is registered to a holding company in Suffolk called Southern Aircraft Consultancy, with a registration number N264DB, but is believed to be owned by McKay, an influential and experienced agent.
McKay wasn’t Sala’s agent. However the Times have revealed how McKay helped Cardiff broker a deal with Nantes”
https://www.101greatgoals.com/news/cardiffs-emilia...
Also interestingly both of McKay's boys are signed on for Cardiff City, they were also both signed on for Doncaster when he was involved there. He clearly has a reasonable amount of involvement at Cardiff.“The plane is registered to a holding company in Suffolk called Southern Aircraft Consultancy, with a registration number N264DB, but is believed to be owned by McKay, an influential and experienced agent.
McKay wasn’t Sala’s agent. However the Times have revealed how McKay helped Cardiff broker a deal with Nantes”
https://www.101greatgoals.com/news/cardiffs-emilia...
Edited by BlackLabel on Thursday 24th January 03:10
poo at Paul's said:
That's irrelevant to the point I was making. But perhaps relevant to what happened on the leg home...….
Who here would have flown in such conditions?
Possibly a handful of those with an Instrument Ratings may have considered it...….for a short time!
A fully qualified pilot could have coped with such conditions. And we are not even sure if the pilot's qualifications had any bearing on what happened.Who here would have flown in such conditions?
Possibly a handful of those with an Instrument Ratings may have considered it...….for a short time!
The Malibu is a capable aeroplane so the weather alone would not have been sufficient to decide to stay on the ground. ILS is an approach and landing aid. It is an assist only and is not essential for a safe landing.
If indeed this plane has actually crashed, my feelings is that airframe icing will have been a factor.
Eric Mc said:
A fully qualified pilot could have coped with such conditions. And we are not even sure if the pilot's qualifications had any bearing on what happened.
The Malibu is a capable aeroplane so the weather alone would not have been sufficient to decide to stay on the ground. ILS is an approach and landing aid. It is an assist only and is not essential for a safe landing.
If indeed this plane has actually crashed, my feelings is that airframe icing will have been a factor.
It's capable, but single engine and apparently piston at that. The combination of weather, night and sea crossing would induce most pilots to seek an alternative for that trip.The Malibu is a capable aeroplane so the weather alone would not have been sufficient to decide to stay on the ground. ILS is an approach and landing aid. It is an assist only and is not essential for a safe landing.
If indeed this plane has actually crashed, my feelings is that airframe icing will have been a factor.
desolate said:
lbc said:
I can't be the only person that thinks this plane crash seems a bit odd..
What's the angle? There's a suggestion on Pprune that the pilot had an IR(r) rating. A poor man's instrument rating (nothing wrong with it as far as it goes) only legally relevant to flight in the UK on UK registered aircraft. Of course he may have had a US instrument rating as well. Part of the reason so many N reg aircraft are based in the UK is because the American instrument rating is regarded as much easier and cheaper to get than the UK one.
Normally when operating over water, an aircraft would be carrying emergency equipment, including a dinghy an EPIRB or similar. Being a wimp, I did, even for relatively short hops across water but I can remember `some' people smirking, when I was putting on a life preserver for a short cross channel trip.
Unfortunately in this case, it is questionable whether the authorities will even find the aircraft.
Given Mr Sala`s comments regarding the plane falling apart, with older aircraft they can be completely airworthy, but still `look' tatty, e.g the interior trim/appearance of many light aircraft is made so thin and lightweight it is not very durable, and can look broken, cracked, and tatty in an aircraft only a few years old, let alone an aircraft of the age this machine seems to have been.
As others have pointed out a pilot, any pilot worthy of the name, would not take up an aircraft that he believed was not airworthy or prepared for the journey ahead.
Unfortunately in this case, it is questionable whether the authorities will even find the aircraft.
Given Mr Sala`s comments regarding the plane falling apart, with older aircraft they can be completely airworthy, but still `look' tatty, e.g the interior trim/appearance of many light aircraft is made so thin and lightweight it is not very durable, and can look broken, cracked, and tatty in an aircraft only a few years old, let alone an aircraft of the age this machine seems to have been.
As others have pointed out a pilot, any pilot worthy of the name, would not take up an aircraft that he believed was not airworthy or prepared for the journey ahead.
Dr Jekyll said:
Eric Mc said:
A fully qualified pilot could have coped with such conditions. And we are not even sure if the pilot's qualifications had any bearing on what happened.
The Malibu is a capable aeroplane so the weather alone would not have been sufficient to decide to stay on the ground. ILS is an approach and landing aid. It is an assist only and is not essential for a safe landing.
If indeed this plane has actually crashed, my feelings is that airframe icing will have been a factor.
It's capable, but single engine and apparently piston at that. The combination of weather, night and sea crossing would induce most pilots to seek an alternative for that trip.The Malibu is a capable aeroplane so the weather alone would not have been sufficient to decide to stay on the ground. ILS is an approach and landing aid. It is an assist only and is not essential for a safe landing.
If indeed this plane has actually crashed, my feelings is that airframe icing will have been a factor.
I think that is a bit of an assumption. What's wrong with "piston" by the way?
Eric Mc said:
Dr Jekyll said:
Eric Mc said:
A fully qualified pilot could have coped with such conditions. And we are not even sure if the pilot's qualifications had any bearing on what happened.
The Malibu is a capable aeroplane so the weather alone would not have been sufficient to decide to stay on the ground. ILS is an approach and landing aid. It is an assist only and is not essential for a safe landing.
If indeed this plane has actually crashed, my feelings is that airframe icing will have been a factor.
It's capable, but single engine and apparently piston at that. The combination of weather, night and sea crossing would induce most pilots to seek an alternative for that trip.The Malibu is a capable aeroplane so the weather alone would not have been sufficient to decide to stay on the ground. ILS is an approach and landing aid. It is an assist only and is not essential for a safe landing.
If indeed this plane has actually crashed, my feelings is that airframe icing will have been a factor.
I think that is a bit of an assumption. What's wrong with "piston" by the way?
Whilst we wait for AreOut, he's what I have found out on the DarkWeb!!!
There is a small secret island near the Channel Island that is used by secret government agencies for this sort of thing, very few people live on this mystery island and it has no cars!!!
A special unit form MI6 is currently producing a Saturday Night variety show to distract us all from Brexit. The show will be presented by Bruce Forsyth and feature performances from the following,
Glen Miller
Pasty Kline
The Big Bopper
Buddy Holly
Sala was taken there to perform a football skills spot.
To further reinforce my theory I have had to post this 3 times before it was excepted, so clearly we are being watched!!!
Beware the Q!!!
There is a small secret island near the Channel Island that is used by secret government agencies for this sort of thing, very few people live on this mystery island and it has no cars!!!
A special unit form MI6 is currently producing a Saturday Night variety show to distract us all from Brexit. The show will be presented by Bruce Forsyth and feature performances from the following,
Glen Miller
Pasty Kline
The Big Bopper
Buddy Holly
Sala was taken there to perform a football skills spot.
To further reinforce my theory I have had to post this 3 times before it was excepted, so clearly we are being watched!!!
Beware the Q!!!
number 46 said:
There is a small secret island near the Channel Island that is used by secret government agencies for this sort of thing, very few people live on this mystery island and it has no cars!!!
You'll be telling us next that this island hosts a powerful pair of brothers that control part of the UK media.Just don't be sarky about it.
Vaud said:
You'll be telling us next that this island hosts a powerful pair of brothers that control part of the UK media.
Just don't be sarky about it.
Actually, I'm not really at liberty to tell you this, but just this one time I can reveal that at a young age I visited the small island near the island with no cars where the true nature of the New World Order was revealed to me by a member of the illuminati. This knowledge enables me to see beyond the lies of the MSM and pass on the greater truth!!!!!!!Just don't be sarky about it.
As the old hermit said to me all those years ago,
Brecqhou!!!!!!!!
Dr Jekyll said:
Eric Mc said:
A fully qualified pilot could have coped with such conditions. And we are not even sure if the pilot's qualifications had any bearing on what happened.
The Malibu is a capable aeroplane so the weather alone would not have been sufficient to decide to stay on the ground. ILS is an approach and landing aid. It is an assist only and is not essential for a safe landing.
If indeed this plane has actually crashed, my feelings is that airframe icing will have been a factor.
It's capable, but single engine and apparently piston at that. The combination of weather, night and sea crossing would induce most pilots to seek an alternative for that trip.The Malibu is a capable aeroplane so the weather alone would not have been sufficient to decide to stay on the ground. ILS is an approach and landing aid. It is an assist only and is not essential for a safe landing.
If indeed this plane has actually crashed, my feelings is that airframe icing will have been a factor.
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