Student strike for climate change

[durbster]

Salmonofdoubt said:

Teaching kids that telling the government to fix things is wrong. If there's a problem you want solving you have to try and engage with the issue not ask someone else to sort it.

Yeah good point. Why don't these damn school children organise international climate change agreements by themselves? Why aren't teenagers in full time education also writing and passing legislation to mitigate the effects of climate change? Too obsessed with their smartphones and video games no doubt.

And how dare they complain about the stty state of affairs they've been left with by their parents and grandparents. Besides, the problems they're inheriting is their fault anyway, somehow.

[Randy Winkman]

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[Hosenbugler]

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[mygoldfishbowl]

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[durbster]

Hosenbugler said:

Likewise , the climate fairy tales are merely the tip of a growing iceberg of freedom restricting invasive control freakery laws.

To clarify, when scientists in the 1950s began to raise the alarm about the consequences of burning fossil fuels, it was actually just a ruse so that the politicians of 70 years in the future would be able to introduce laws to spy on people.

That's quite a conspiracy theory.

[rxe]

Downward said:

To be fair to the kids we the adults, parents etc are providing this lifestyle for them.
You wouldn’t ask adults to give up today’s lifestyle which we have created so why the kids ?

If these kids started to reject even a tiny element of the lifestyle they are protesting against, I’d have some sympathy for them. As a simple example, a student led campaign to not get on an aeroplane this summer holidays. That would be worthy of note.

[durbster]

rxe said:

Downward said:

To be fair to the kids we the adults, parents etc are providing this lifestyle for them.
You wouldn’t ask adults to give up today’s lifestyle which we have created so why the kids ?

If these kids started to reject even a tiny element of the lifestyle they are protesting against, I’d have some sympathy for them. As a simple example, a student led campaign to not get on an aeroplane this summer holidays. That would be worthy of note.

Which is more likely to get the attention of the government and media, and therefore instigate action?

- a person saying they are not going to go on holiday this year
- a person joining a large protest in London

Blaming the school kids is clearly just trying to shirk responsibility.

[irocfan]

durbster said:

rxe said:

Downward said:

To be fair to the kids we the adults, parents etc are providing this lifestyle for them.
You wouldn’t ask adults to give up today’s lifestyle which we have created so why the kids ?

If these kids started to reject even a tiny element of the lifestyle they are protesting against, I’d have some sympathy for them. As a simple example, a student led campaign to not get on an aeroplane this summer holidays. That would be worthy of note.

Which is more likely to get the attention of the government and media, and therefore instigate action?

- a person saying they are not going to go on holiday this year
- a person joining a large protest in London

Blaming the school kids is clearly just trying to shirk responsibility.

oh I dunno all school children refusing an iphone, holiday and lifts to school would grab attention pretty quickly.

[Coolbanana]

The idiocy expressed on this Thread is very amusing in terms of what is expected from children. Similarly those in denial of Climate Change - when a 'round' Earth was first proposed, it took a long time for it to become mainstream and accepted as true fact, the same is happening now with Climate Change, those who have limited understanding deny it and look silly.

[wc98]

Downward said:

To be fair to the kids we the adults, parents etc are providing this lifestyle for them.
You wouldn’t ask adults to give up today’s lifestyle which we have created so why the kids ?

i would. in fact put me in charge and every single person currently signalling their virtue on climate change would immediately have a marker put on them. the right to fly removed and the right to own any vehicle powered by fossil fuel. they would only be allowed to buy energy from wind or solar power and they would not be allowed to buy clothing that used products derived from fossil fuels.they would be expected to grow their own food as well, can't have people eating food from farms that use fossil fuel burning tractors etc.

when the people pushing this nonsense start walking the walk i might start taking some of them seriously, until then they can shove their virtue signalling hypocrisy up their arse

[Mort7]

irocfan said:

Cold said:

I posted this in the Juvenile thread because it amused me:

Cold said:

Belfast today, a group of the schoolkids who are "on strike" to protest about climate change, but still maintaining a sense of humour.

I like the sign in front of that

Both straight from Father Ted.

[rxe]

durbster said:

Which is more likely to get the attention of the government and media, and therefore instigate action?

- a person saying they are not going to go on holiday this year
- a person joining a large protest in London

Blaming the school kids is clearly just trying to shirk responsibility.

Instigate action? Or actually do something?

If a material number of kids decided that they didn’t want to fly anywhere on holiday it would have a huge impact. BA and EasyJet would be in the crapper, and it would be a protest worthy of note.

Instead they’ll go and protest, whine at somebeody else to do something, then half of them will be flying off somewhere this half term.

[Tony B2]

Jasandjules said:

The first question is what climate change problem...

Exactly!

Thank you for the "drop the mike" moment...;-)

[Not-The-Messiah]

durbster said:

Salmonofdoubt said:

Teaching kids that telling the government to fix things is wrong. If there's a problem you want solving you have to try and engage with the issue not ask someone else to sort it.

Yeah good point. Why don't these damn school children organise international climate change agreements by themselves? Why aren't teenagers in full time education also writing and passing legislation to mitigate the effects of climate change? Too obsessed with their smartphones and video games no doubt.

And how dare they complain about the stty state of affairs they've been left with by their parents and grandparents. Besides, the problems they're inheriting is their fault anyway, somehow.

Do you honestly think that these international climate agreements are actually going to achieve anything and stop climate change?

And more importantly do you think that if we are actually serious about doing something about it you expect to have anywhere near the lifestyle you are accustomed to?

[turbobloke]

Not-The-Messiah said:

durbster said:

Salmonofdoubt said:

Teaching kids that telling the government to fix things is wrong. If there's a problem you want solving you have to try and engage with the issue not ask someone else to sort it.

Yeah good point. Why don't these damn school children organise international climate change agreements by themselves? Why aren't teenagers in full time education also writing and passing legislation to mitigate the effects of climate change? Too obsessed with their smartphones and video games no doubt.

And how dare they complain about the stty state of affairs they've been left with by their parents and grandparents. Besides, the problems they're inheriting is their fault anyway, somehow.

Do you honestly think that these international climate agreements are actually going to achieve anything and stop climate change?

An excellent point, not that the students would know as their teachers (mostly) won't tell them.

An environmentalist, Dr Bjorn Lomborg, has used the Intergovernmental Panel for Climate Change methodology to examine the result of every nation following the Paris climate agreement through to 2030. The total temperature reduction would be 0.048 deg C by the year 2100. Al Gore would have difficulty measuring it. Basic stuff which any student or Greenpeace activist should know.

That's if all nations adhere to the Paris agreement, which isn't a legally binding international treaty in any case, As suggested above, nowhere near all countries are Paris compliant and it's getting worse. Only two nations, Gambia and Morocco, are anywhere hear meeting any such 'obligations' with major countries way off including China, india, Australia, Canada, Russia and Saudi Arabia.

As an aside, the UAH satellite database for the lower troposphere shows global temperature at the end of January this year is back to a value seen 30 years ago in 1988. So much for permanent dangerous global warming..

[durbster]

Not-The-Messiah said:

durbster said:

Salmonofdoubt said:

Teaching kids that telling the government to fix things is wrong. If there's a problem you want solving you have to try and engage with the issue not ask someone else to sort it.

Yeah good point. Why don't these damn school children organise international climate change agreements by themselves? Why aren't teenagers in full time education also writing and passing legislation to mitigate the effects of climate change? Too obsessed with their smartphones and video games no doubt.

And how dare they complain about the stty state of affairs they've been left with by their parents and grandparents. Besides, the problems they're inheriting is their fault anyway, somehow.

Do you honestly think that these international climate agreements are actually going to achieve anything and stop climate change?

And more importantly do you think that if we are actually serious about doing something about it you expect to have anywhere near the lifestyle you are accustomed to?

There have been successful international agreements about other things. It's not exactly a new concept.

[ninepoint2]

Coolbanana said:

The idiocy expressed on this Thread is very amusing in terms of what is expected from children. Similarly those in denial of Climate Change - when a 'round' Earth was first proposed, it took a long time for it to become mainstream and accepted as true fact, the same is happening now with Climate Change, those who have limited understanding deny it and look silly.

FFS you mean as well as the Earth getting much warmer it's round as well...we are all doomed I tell you, doomed

[Evanivitch]

turbobloke said:

As an aside, the UAH satellite database for the lower troposphere shows global temperature at the end of January this year is back to a value seen 30 years ago in 1988. So much for permanent dangerous global warming..

Is that before you ignore the widely publicised compensation factors for orbital decay?

[Randy Winkman]

rxe said:

durbster said:

Which is more likely to get the attention of the government and media, and therefore instigate action?

- a person saying they are not going to go on holiday this year
- a person joining a large protest in London

Blaming the school kids is clearly just trying to shirk responsibility.

Instigate action? Or actually do something?

If a material number of kids decided that they didn’t want to fly anywhere on holiday it would have a huge impact. BA and EasyJet would be in the crapper, and it would be a protest worthy of note.

Instead they’ll go and protest, whine at somebeody else to do something, then half of them will be flying off somewhere this half term.

But they are kids; they don't arrange family holidays. How do you know they aren't talking to their parents about changing their behaviours?

[turbobloke]

Randy Winkman said:

rxe said:

durbster said:

Which is more likely to get the attention of the government and media, and therefore instigate action?

- a person saying they are not going to go on holiday this year
- a person joining a large protest in London

Blaming the school kids is clearly just trying to shirk responsibility.

Instigate action? Or actually do something?

If a material number of kids decided that they didn’t want to fly anywhere on holiday it would have a huge impact. BA and EasyJet would be in the crapper, and it would be a protest worthy of note.

Instead they’ll go and protest, whine at somebeody else to do something, then half of them will be flying off somewhere this half term.

But they are kids; they don't arrange family holidays. How do you know they aren't talking to their parents about changing their behaviours?

Yes that's the infamous "pester power" and how well is it going, judging by reality rather than hope based on ideology?!

Then once out of school the brainwashing washes off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FTS2tdmyYM

girls don't like boys, girls like cars and money

Tut Tut etc.

Kids know what snow is, it's not a rare and exciting event.