Islamaphobia in Tory party?
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: The issues in Labour are abhorrent.
But suggestions that highlighting issues in the Conservative party is a "deflection tactic" aren't too smart either.
I don't doubt that Labour politicians will try and use it as a deflection tactic but it doesn't mean the issues in other parties aren't real and and will go away if left unchallenged.
Or are people supposed to give other parties a free pass until it's neck and neck in some kind of league table?
People have got so wrapped up in their own "team" they'll excuse a hell of a lot.
Call it out when you see it.
What if I actually don't see it? Out of 500 candidates and however many councillors there seems to be a smattering of posts on social media. And judging by the fact that some of them are years old I would say there has been a pretty thorough effort to find this stuff.But suggestions that highlighting issues in the Conservative party is a "deflection tactic" aren't too smart either.
I don't doubt that Labour politicians will try and use it as a deflection tactic but it doesn't mean the issues in other parties aren't real and and will go away if left unchallenged.
Or are people supposed to give other parties a free pass until it's neck and neck in some kind of league table?
People have got so wrapped up in their own "team" they'll excuse a hell of a lot.
Call it out when you see it.
I actually think that kind of thing is not just petty and divisive but damaging to race relations and helpful to genuine racists.
JuanCarlosFandango said:
The article originally linked said a "Nazi slogan." I didn't see anything about what that slogan was. Any link?
I'm quite sure there are racists in the Tory party, and they should be weeded out. But from the examples I've seen so far, bearing in mind that someone seems to be trawling over this stuff with a pretty fibe tooth comb, I would hardly call it a crisis.
Tory candidate Sally-Ann Hart investigated for anti-Semitism day after ‘vile’ disabled pay commentsI'm quite sure there are racists in the Tory party, and they should be weeded out. But from the examples I've seen so far, bearing in mind that someone seems to be trawling over this stuff with a pretty fibe tooth comb, I would hardly call it a crisis.
Tories investigate three candidates over alleged antisemitism
I'm not sure I'd call it a crisis either yet but not accepting and tackling these issues early is how it may become one.
I wouldn't be calling it trivia or relying on "we're not as bad as the other lot" as a defence.
When even footballers are calling out the Conservatives for racism, you KNOW you are a racist. I'm staggered that people will be enablers for this. Vote Tory, vote racist.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/dec/08/gary...
Football commentator and pundit Gary Neville blamed Boris Johnson’s election rhetoric on immigrants and immigration for fuelling the number of racist incidents in British society and sport.
Neville was speaking after the Manchester derby, which saw United defeat City 2-1. The result, however, was overshadowed by an incident during the second half of the game that appeared to show a City fan making a monkey gesture towards a United player.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/dec/08/gary...
Football commentator and pundit Gary Neville blamed Boris Johnson’s election rhetoric on immigrants and immigration for fuelling the number of racist incidents in British society and sport.
Neville was speaking after the Manchester derby, which saw United defeat City 2-1. The result, however, was overshadowed by an incident during the second half of the game that appeared to show a City fan making a monkey gesture towards a United player.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Maybe ask yourself what Sajid Javid sees that made him call for an independent inquiry live on national television.
You put up the umbrella as it starts to rain, that IS the sensible way to do it.With Corbyn, you are immersed in a full tank of racist anti-Semitism and get to splash around a lot throwing your poisoned water over all those close to you, a BIG DIFFERENCE.
BOR said:
When even footballers are calling out the Conservatives for racism, you KNOW you are a racist. I'm staggered that people will be enablers for this. Vote Tory, vote racist.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/dec/08/gary...
Football commentator and pundit Gary Neville blamed Boris Johnson’s election rhetoric on immigrants and immigration for fuelling the number of racist incidents in British society and sport.
Neville was speaking after the Manchester derby, which saw United defeat City 2-1. The result, however, was overshadowed by an incident during the second half of the game that appeared to show a City fan making a monkey gesture towards a United player.
Gary Neville, never the sharpest tool in the box, was he? Immigration and racism are not the same thing, and Boris's suggestion that the UK should have a points-based system is actually a colourblind approach. It simply asks "what can you contribute to our country?" which is not racist in any way!https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/dec/08/gary...
Football commentator and pundit Gary Neville blamed Boris Johnson’s election rhetoric on immigrants and immigration for fuelling the number of racist incidents in British society and sport.
Neville was speaking after the Manchester derby, which saw United defeat City 2-1. The result, however, was overshadowed by an incident during the second half of the game that appeared to show a City fan making a monkey gesture towards a United player.
As for "vote Tory vote racist"........what a stupid thing to say. I don't doubt for a moment that some degree of racism exists in all mass movements and organisations. By your logic, you'd never vote for any party. Perhaps have a word with the Jewish Labour Movement, see what they think?
Dont like rolls said:
With Corbyn, you are immersed in a full tank of racist anti-Semitism and get to splash around a lot throwing your poisoned water over all those close to you, a BIG DIFFERENCE.
Apparently that's not a view shared by all jewish peopleI'm sure there are muslim organisations who don't think the Tory Party has a strong element of islamophobia..........
Brave Fart said:
Gary Neville, never the sharpest tool in the box, was he?
I don't know about that. He is smart enough to realise how you get ahead in the media. Deliberately conflating immigration controls with racism might be just the thing to raise his profile for next time a presenting job is available. Countdown said:
Apparently that's not a view shared by all jewish people
I'm sure there are muslim organisations who don't think the Tory Party has a strong element of islamophobia..........
Ahhh, the "wrong type of Jew" and "I know Jezza and he has always been nice to me" defence (or the indefensible)I'm sure there are muslim organisations who don't think the Tory Party has a strong element of islamophobia..........
BOR said:
When even footballers are calling out the Conservatives for racism, you KNOW you are a racist. I'm staggered that people will be enablers for this. Vote Tory, vote racist.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/dec/08/gary...
Football commentator and pundit Gary Neville blamed Boris Johnson’s election rhetoric on immigrants and immigration for fuelling the number of racist incidents in British society and sport.
Neville was speaking after the Manchester derby, which saw United defeat City 2-1. The result, however, was overshadowed by an incident during the second half of the game that appeared to show a City fan making a monkey gesture towards a United player.
Funny that Neville calls out Boris when the party he supports is rife with racism. What an idiot. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/dec/08/gary...
Football commentator and pundit Gary Neville blamed Boris Johnson’s election rhetoric on immigrants and immigration for fuelling the number of racist incidents in British society and sport.
Neville was speaking after the Manchester derby, which saw United defeat City 2-1. The result, however, was overshadowed by an incident during the second half of the game that appeared to show a City fan making a monkey gesture towards a United player.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:Tory candidate Sally-Ann Hart investigated for anti-Semitism day after ‘vile’ disabled pay comments
Tories investigate three candidates over alleged antisemitism
I'm not sure I'd call it a crisis either yet but not accepting and tackling these issues early is how it may become one.
I wouldn't be calling it trivia or relying on "we're not as bad as the other lot" as a defence.
She is being investigated for "sharing a video in 2017 with an image suggesting that Jewish billionaire George Soros controls the EU." Tories investigate three candidates over alleged antisemitism
I'm not sure I'd call it a crisis either yet but not accepting and tackling these issues early is how it may become one.
I wouldn't be calling it trivia or relying on "we're not as bad as the other lot" as a defence.
What was the video? Was it antisemitic or just critical of Sorts?
She is also said to have liked a comment left underneath the footage that said ‘Ein Reich’, which is a Nazi slogan.
Dumb, but was that all it said? I'd be interested to see it.
The fact that neither is actually shown makes it hard to find it very damping.
Mr Anderson is under investigation for being an active member of Ashfield Back Boris, a Facebook group where Soros conspiracy theories have been promoted.
A member of a Facebook group. Not a member of the Ashfield Brownshirts or the BNP. A group where people have shared stuff about George Soros.
Mr Short will be looked into for asking whether a Jewish journalist was more loyal to Israel than to Britain in 2013. Writing to Melanie Phillips, who was appearing on BBC’s Question Time, he tweeted: ‘Being a bit zionist is her allegiance to UK or Israel.’
Genuinely s
tty and deserves to be investigated.The Labour Party has called for the three candidates to be suspended before the election on December 12.
They are also demanding the prime minister answer for anti-Semitism in his 2004 novel Seventy-Two Virgins, which allegedly contains offensive descriptions of a Jewish character.
Labour’s election coordinator Andrew Gwynne said Mr Johnson had never condemned anti-Semitism among his supporters, despite it ‘clearly’ being ‘rife from top to bottom’ in the Tory Party.
That's some real whataboutism. They have trawled through years worth of social media posts for hundreds of candidates, councillors and so forth and found what appears to be one solid example of antisemitism and a couple of iffy Facebook posts, and a passage in a novel. Now Labour are going all guns blazing to try and say that the Tories are just as bad.
It has all the appearance of a cynical deflection ploy to me.
Yes racism of any sort should be challenged but if I were to make a criticism of the Tory handling of this so far it would be that they are giving too much credence to what appears to be a rather desperate smear campaign which Labour are only too happy to ride on the back of if it deflects from their own far more serious problems.
Dont like rolls said:
Countdown said:
Apparently that's not a view shared by all jewish people
I'm sure there are muslim organisations who don't think the Tory Party has a strong element of islamophobia..........
Ahhh, the "wrong type of Jew" and "I know Jezza and he has always been nice to me" defence (or the indefensible)I'm sure there are muslim organisations who don't think the Tory Party has a strong element of islamophobia..........
Anti semitism is real. But not everything is anti semitism however, some people use it to stop criticism. It’s a useful tool, question Palestine actions, get ready to be a used of anti semitism etc.
Just like with islamophobia is used by some in the same way, start asking uncomfortable questions the professional victims will start shouting islamophobia or anti Semite to shut you up and the media will run scared or pile on.
Just like with islamophobia is used by some in the same way, start asking uncomfortable questions the professional victims will start shouting islamophobia or anti Semite to shut you up and the media will run scared or pile on.
BOR said:
Neville was speaking after the Manchester derby, which saw United defeat City 2-1. The result, however, was overshadowed by an incident during the second half of the game that appeared to show a City fan making a monkey gesture towards a United player.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH2eneguKzwOn a slow view definitely
On full speed so short can't make my mind up.
voyds9 said:
BOR said:
Neville was speaking after the Manchester derby, which saw United defeat City 2-1. The result, however, was overshadowed by an incident during the second half of the game that appeared to show a City fan making a monkey gesture towards a United player.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH2eneguKzwOn a slow view definitely
On full speed so short can't make my mind up.
With a "Racists are everywhere" mind set then it could be....It was obviously a Monkey dance
With a "Not much Racism these days" mind set then maybe not. ...It was a cold day, he was keeping warm.
Dont like rolls said:
voyds9 said:
BOR said:
Neville was speaking after the Manchester derby, which saw United defeat City 2-1. The result, however, was overshadowed by an incident during the second half of the game that appeared to show a City fan making a monkey gesture towards a United player.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH2eneguKzwOn a slow view definitely
On full speed so short can't make my mind up.
With a "Racists are everywhere" mind set then it could be....It was obviously a Monkey dance
With a "Not much Racism these days" mind set then maybe not. ...It was a cold day, he was keeping warm.
I suppose that 'Oooh' noise his mouth was making was him exclaiming how cold it was as well.
JuanCarlosFandango said:
She is being investigated for "sharing a video in 2017 with an image suggesting that Jewish billionaire George Soros controls the EU."
What was the video? Was it antisemitic or just critical of Sorts?
She is also said to have liked a comment left underneath the footage that said ‘Ein Reich’, which is a Nazi slogan.
Dumb, but was that all it said? I'd be interested to see it.
The fact that neither is actually shown makes it hard to find it very damping.
Mr Anderson is under investigation for being an active member of Ashfield Back Boris, a Facebook group where Soros conspiracy theories have been promoted.
A member of a Facebook group. Not a member of the Ashfield Brownshirts or the BNP. A group where people have shared stuff about George Soros.
Mr Short will be looked into for asking whether a Jewish journalist was more loyal to Israel than to Britain in 2013. Writing to Melanie Phillips, who was appearing on BBC’s Question Time, he tweeted: ‘Being a bit zionist is her allegiance to UK or Israel.’
Genuinely stty and deserves to be investigated.
The Labour Party has called for the three candidates to be suspended before the election on December 12.
They are also demanding the prime minister answer for anti-Semitism in his 2004 novel Seventy-Two Virgins, which allegedly contains offensive descriptions of a Jewish character.
Labour’s election coordinator Andrew Gwynne said Mr Johnson had never condemned anti-Semitism among his supporters, despite it ‘clearly’ being ‘rife from top to bottom’ in the Tory Party.
That's some real whataboutism. They have trawled through years worth of social media posts for hundreds of candidates, councillors and so forth and found what appears to be one solid example of antisemitism and a couple of iffy Facebook posts, and a passage in a novel. Now Labour are going all guns blazing to try and say that the Tories are just as bad.
It has all the appearance of a cynical deflection ploy to me.
Yes racism of any sort should be challenged but if I were to make a criticism of the Tory handling of this so far it would be that they are giving too much credence to what appears to be a rather desperate smear campaign which Labour are only too happy to ride on the back of if it deflects from their own far more serious problems.
Good post and spot onWhat was the video? Was it antisemitic or just critical of Sorts?
She is also said to have liked a comment left underneath the footage that said ‘Ein Reich’, which is a Nazi slogan.
Dumb, but was that all it said? I'd be interested to see it.
The fact that neither is actually shown makes it hard to find it very damping.
Mr Anderson is under investigation for being an active member of Ashfield Back Boris, a Facebook group where Soros conspiracy theories have been promoted.
A member of a Facebook group. Not a member of the Ashfield Brownshirts or the BNP. A group where people have shared stuff about George Soros.
Mr Short will be looked into for asking whether a Jewish journalist was more loyal to Israel than to Britain in 2013. Writing to Melanie Phillips, who was appearing on BBC’s Question Time, he tweeted: ‘Being a bit zionist is her allegiance to UK or Israel.’
Genuinely s
tty and deserves to be investigated.The Labour Party has called for the three candidates to be suspended before the election on December 12.
They are also demanding the prime minister answer for anti-Semitism in his 2004 novel Seventy-Two Virgins, which allegedly contains offensive descriptions of a Jewish character.
Labour’s election coordinator Andrew Gwynne said Mr Johnson had never condemned anti-Semitism among his supporters, despite it ‘clearly’ being ‘rife from top to bottom’ in the Tory Party.
That's some real whataboutism. They have trawled through years worth of social media posts for hundreds of candidates, councillors and so forth and found what appears to be one solid example of antisemitism and a couple of iffy Facebook posts, and a passage in a novel. Now Labour are going all guns blazing to try and say that the Tories are just as bad.
It has all the appearance of a cynical deflection ploy to me.
Yes racism of any sort should be challenged but if I were to make a criticism of the Tory handling of this so far it would be that they are giving too much credence to what appears to be a rather desperate smear campaign which Labour are only too happy to ride on the back of if it deflects from their own far more serious problems.
And funny how all the people who defend Corbyn to the end and say this and that examples of disgraceful bullying and terrible judgement actually aren’t antisemitism, and fervent supporters of Palestine etc, and it’s all a smear, are now suddenly furious about the injustices faced by Jews at the hands of 2-3 Facebook comments from the odd rogue Tory
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