Shamima Begum...

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biggbn

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22,818 posts

219 months

Saturday 9th March 2019
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The crackpot extremists now have another martyr for their cause and another common enemy. Why didn't we just bring the traitor home, take her child from her and jail her, set a precedent for others?

Sheets Tabuer

18,898 posts

214 months

Saturday 9th March 2019
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Her kid died

Getragdogleg

8,737 posts

182 months

Saturday 9th March 2019
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The point that is being (purposely) missed by those who say "we should have done something" is that even if we had set the wheels in motion to have done something the situation developed faster than we could have done something.

Unless the Govt. had sent a team out the same day the news broke here that she wanted to come home it was all going to happen like it did.

It is simply not possible to complain to a journalist and the Govt. will swoop in and rescue you from your own bad choices.


biggbn

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22,818 posts

219 months

Saturday 9th March 2019
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That is the point I am making? Her kid is now a martyr to the cause and the British government a bigger enemy than it was thanks to the home secretary's posturing.

CoolHands

18,496 posts

194 months

Saturday 9th March 2019
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Sheets Tabuer said:
Her kid died
Or did it

Dun dun DURRRHHHHHHH....

biggbn

Original Poster:

22,818 posts

219 months

Saturday 9th March 2019
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Getragdogleg said:
The point that is being (purposely) missed by those who say "we should have done something" is that even if we had set the wheels in motion to have done something the situation developed faster than we could have done something.

Unless the Govt. had sent a team out the same day the news broke here that she wanted to come home it was all going to happen like it did.

It is simply not possible to complain to a journalist and the Govt. will swoop in and rescue you from your own bad choices.
Fair point man

BlackLabel

13,251 posts

122 months

Saturday 9th March 2019
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biggbn said:
That is the point I am making? Her kid is now a martyr to the cause and the British government a bigger enemy than it was thanks to the home secretary's posturing.
What cause?

No one cares - ISIS types care less about her than the British public do. Until the Times found her she was a nobody. The only people who care are folks like Diane Abbott and Jeremy Corbyn.

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 9th March 2019
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biggbn said:
That is the point I am making? Her kid is now a martyr to the cause and the British government a bigger enemy than it was thanks to the home secretary's posturing.
we don't know why the child died, was the cause the camp conditions? She made her bed, and an Innocent has died, nothing to do with government, how anyone wants to see it.

irocfan

40,153 posts

189 months

Saturday 9th March 2019
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Getragdogleg said:
The point that is being (purposely) missed by those who say "we should have done something" is that even if we had set the wheels in motion to have done something the situation developed faster than we could have done something.

Unless the Govt. had sent a team out the same day the news broke here that she wanted to come home it was all going to happen like it did.

It is simply not possible to complain to a journalist and the Govt. will swoop in and rescue you from your own bad choices.
This ^^^ besides which I suspect there are more deserving cases in the "...get them here..." queue

Dr Doofenshmirtz

15,186 posts

199 months

Saturday 9th March 2019
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Hopefully she'll disappear from the news soon because I'm fed up of hearing about her. At least it's confirmed Corbyn as a terrorist sympathiser though, just in case there was ever any doubt.

Sheets Tabuer

18,898 posts

214 months

Saturday 9th March 2019
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I like how her father sits there telling us what we should do.... while living in Bangladesh.

Give her a room in your house, she's yours.

Having said that and whilst I'd like nothing more than to leave her to rot I'd like to think the UK was above reactionary policies, we have signed up to an international agreement to outlaw making people stateless, you may not like it in this case but it was done for bigger reasons as in the case of Idi Amin and going as far back as Hitler.

We may not agree with what she says but really what has she done? She went to Syria as a 15 year old and was promptly married off and used as a baby factory, as far as I know she wasn't an enemy combatant rather a dick that got sucked in and has some very unpleasant views.

I know I'll get a kicking on here for this but after all the court cases she WILL come back because she was born here, why not just bring her back and throw the book at her for going to Syria and being married off (someone can perhaps explain how this was illegal as I genuinely don't know) and hopefully some kind of de-radicalisation program can be put in place.

JuanCarlosFandango

7,787 posts

70 months

Saturday 9th March 2019
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I don't see why it makes the British government a bigger enemy to anyone who wasn't a fairly committed enemy to start with.

Were they meant to fly her home on demand?


Pesty

42,655 posts

255 months

Saturday 9th March 2019
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They have millions of martyrs not that they need any the Koran is quite specific on what they should to the kafir.

One More more wont make a difference.

At least we won’t have to pay for it. This is nothing to do with us it’s all on her. She’s the author of her own suffering.

Ian Geary

4,462 posts

191 months

Saturday 9th March 2019
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It does show up though the unintended consequences of dog whistle politics (aka populism)

No one forced Javid to revoke her citizenship: in fact that action has been shown to be contrary to international law.

Sure, odds were against the lass and her kid ever coming back before camp conditions got the better of the new born.

But Javid made it almost certain that the outcome would be put on him.

I don't think the uk needs another kid to look after when there's plenty already here who need help, but the child was British and the uk govt. effectively washed their hands of it. They need to take the criticism on the chin.

I acknowledge Javid was in a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation, which is why we have principles and laws to guide you.

We may sit snugly in our 1st world set up, admonishing those who left for the 3rd world, but our principles are what defines the first world (well, that and running water, heat, medicine, rule of law, queueing ..etc)

RemyMartin81D

6,759 posts

204 months

Saturday 9th March 2019
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Her child has died, whilst I'm not going to crow about that I'm not going to give a fk or else it would be an insult to all the other thousands of unnamed babies that die that I don't know about.

Still don't stop her being a terrorist. She should realised that the conditions she was in wasn't suitable for a baby when number 1 and then number 2 died but no she spawned a third which quelle suprisé has died and that is that

I agree with the about poster about sick of hearing about this scum. I look forward to not seeing her god awful image

0ddball

859 posts

138 months

Saturday 9th March 2019
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I'm not convinced it has died, but the story certainly plays in her favour. It's all our fault now.

biggbn

Original Poster:

22,818 posts

219 months

Saturday 9th March 2019
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BlackLabel said:
biggbn said:
That is the point I am making? Her kid is now a martyr to the cause and the British government a bigger enemy than it was thanks to the home secretary's posturing.
What cause?

No one cares - ISIS types care less about her than the British public do. Until the Times found her she was a nobody. The only people who care are folks like Diane Abbott and Jeremy Corbyn.
You can't see that this gives them a cause celebre?

williamp

19,213 posts

272 months

Saturday 9th March 2019
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The birmingham mail says the name of the child means "able fighter" or "one who wounds"

Charming...

Regards,

The defender (germanic)

Russian Troll Bot

24,942 posts

226 months

Saturday 9th March 2019
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Ian Geary said:
I don't think the uk needs another kid to look after when there's plenty already here who need help, but the child was British and the uk govt. effectively washed their hands of it. They need to take the criticism on the chin.
Given that the child was born abroad, supposedly to a Dutch father, then wouldn't it have to be registered as a British citizen as opposed to automatically being one?

loafer123

15,404 posts

214 months

Saturday 9th March 2019
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My two options are;

1 - Update the Treason laws so joining and supporting ISIS is easy to prosecute or, preferably;

2 - Allow the Kurds to do the War Crimes Court they want to locally, which should keep Turkey from bombing them.