Shamima Begum...
Discussion
1602Mark said:
AJL308 said:
1602Mark said:
AJL308 said:
I think she probably has some deep seated personality disorder rather than having been coerced into anything.
Were she diagnosed as such, she would have a defence in law under diminished responsibility I think? I agree that her responses (or the little I have seen of them) aren't what one might deem as being 'normal' though.
Oilchange said:
F1GTRUeno said:
Oilchange said:
So big a personality disorder it made her strap suicide bombers into their vests...
How is that not a personality disorder?Unless you honestly believe in the fantasy of good and evil?
f
k her.We’re savages.
The Spruce Goose said:
They don't seem to understand that. They would rather think the decision was made by the The Sun.
The S*n would absolutely say fk her.I’m well aware the Supreme Court ruled on it, doesn’t mean they’re definitively correct does it?
Legally yes their rule is absolute but ethically and morally their decisions can be challenged hence we have discussion about it.
Edited by F1GTRUeno on Sunday 28th February 18:43
F1GTRUeno said:
If you’ve got nothing else going for you and someone somewhere offers a chance at becoming part of something much bigger, I’m sure some would. Plenty of people out there with no upward mobility, no particular goals, no self esteem or self respect that could easily be convinced to do terrible things with the right amount of work put on them by terrible people.
Nature versus nurture arguments will come into it but I highly doubt when she was a 5 year old she wanted to join ISIS and take part in the slaughter so how did she get there at 15? Her parents don’t want to join ISIS so how did she learn it was what she wanted?
If we don’t try and understand that and try and fix the conditions that were there for her to change into what she is, then we risk many more doing the same thing.
But ‘fk her’ is easier so...
Being born in the UK is like winning the lottery of life compared to an existence in a caliphate encompassing Syria and Iraq. She was most the way through a compulsory education, which could have led to further education and a decent career. A future contributing to society. So really, what makes SB susceptible to "grooming" by people who are offering an alternate future? Can you explain from what position of vulnerability did SB come from?Nature versus nurture arguments will come into it but I highly doubt when she was a 5 year old she wanted to join ISIS and take part in the slaughter so how did she get there at 15? Her parents don’t want to join ISIS so how did she learn it was what she wanted?
If we don’t try and understand that and try and fix the conditions that were there for her to change into what she is, then we risk many more doing the same thing.
But ‘f
k her’ is easier so...Vanden Saab said:
F1GTRUeno said:
The Spruce Goose said:
They don't seem to understand that. They would rather think the decision was made by the The Sun.
The S*n would absolutely say fk her.I’m well aware the Supreme Court ruled on it, doesn’t mean they’re definitively correct does it?
Gotcha.
F1GTRUeno said:
That she cannot return to the UK and be tried for her crimes, I thought that was obvious.
''Thirdly, the Court of Appeal mistakenly believed that, when an individual’sright to have a fair hearing of an appeal came into conflict with the requirements of national security, her right to a fair hearing must prevail. As I have explained, if avital public interest - in this case, the safety of the public - makes it impossible for a case to be fairly heard, then the courts cannot ordinarily hear it. The appropriate response to the problem in the present case is for the appeal to be stayed until Ms Begum is in a position to play an effective part in it without the safety of the public being compromised.''
So you think the rights of one individual are greater than the national security, well I can fully disagree with you on that, and clearly the Court made the right decision.
F1GTRUeno said:
mrporsche said:
A radical Muslim being one that follows the scriptures to the letter??
That is hardly radical
Tell that to the 1.6 billion that don’t.That is hardly radical
Is / was there anything isis did that is not carried out by a current Muslim country. Or could be reached using one of the interpretations of the Koran ?
Killing homosexuals, the manner of death maybe different but they are hardly alone.
Sex with slaves
Applying sharia law
Women covering up
Providing a basic welfare system
Edited by mrporsche on Sunday 28th February 19:50
mrporsche said:
Don’t want ?
Is / was there anything isis did that is not carried out by a current Muslim country. Or could be reached using one of the interpretations of the Koran ?
Killing homosexuals, the manner of death maybe different but they are hardly alone.
So you think Mohammed down the corner shop (to use a stereotype) working to feed his family, go on holday, see his mates and generally live exactly like we do follows the Quran the same as ISIS?Is / was there anything isis did that is not carried out by a current Muslim country. Or could be reached using one of the interpretations of the Koran ?
Killing homosexuals, the manner of death maybe different but they are hardly alone.
F1GTRUeno said:
mrporsche said:
Don’t want ?
Is / was there anything isis did that is not carried out by a current Muslim country. Or could be reached using one of the interpretations of the Koran ?
Killing homosexuals, the manner of death maybe different but they are hardly alone.
So you think Mohammed down the corner shop (to use a stereotype) working to feed his family, go on holday, see his mates and generally live exactly like we do follows the Quran the same as ISIS?Is / was there anything isis did that is not carried out by a current Muslim country. Or could be reached using one of the interpretations of the Koran ?
Killing homosexuals, the manner of death maybe different but they are hardly alone.
People pick and choose the parts that work for their lives. As we saw on the student loan thread most Muslims in the U.K. appear ok to accept non sharia compliant loans yet Takaful banking is very important in Islam,.
Death for homosexuals seems important In Islam, doesn’t mean they all follow it to the letter.
Just because a handful of people in the U.K. don’t follow it to the letter doesn’t mean it is not in the scriptures.
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