Shamima Begum...

[psi310398]

Biggy Stardust said:

She was born a Bangladeshi citizen too so it's as broad as it's long.

Indeed. She may well have grounds to sue the authorities there, too, if they don’t accept her citizenship as a matter of Bangladeshi law..

But I thought we were discussing the stripping of her British nationality.

[AJL308]

Lynchie999 said:

AJL308 said:

jamoor said:

PRTVR said:

Thats a good idea , if you leave your country for terrorism you forgo your right to citizenship, it should be an international law.

Whose problem do they become?

Why doesn't the UN establish a remote isolation island somewhere for the ste no one else wants?

.... I think US/UK did that... a place called Guantanamo ??

That was a prison though. Just dump them on them on island and let them get on with it. Few gunboats to stop them leaving - job done!

We used Australia for a similar purpose a couple of hundred years ago but it's a bit more civilised now.......well, slightly.

[voyds9]

psi310398 said:

Indeed. She may well have grounds to sue the authorities there, too, if they don’t accept her citizenship as a matter of Bangladeshi law..

But I thought we were discussing the stripping of her British nationality.

I do wonder which would be the top of her list

Sue the UK and return here where she is despised and may well suffer a life of being persecuted

Or go to a country who more understands and shares her views

[anonymoususer]

AJL308 said:

You cannot appeal a SC decision. It's the top of the tree.

Pity that John Pilger isn't still making those investigative type things. He could do a two parter about the injustice of it all.
Political big wigs like Ms Abbott and Mr Bugoyne could appear citing how we as a nation should be better than this.
The weight of public indifference and contempt could be overturned by such a programme.

If as I previously mentioned she had also established a vlogging presence on You Tube she could have her own merchandise.

[F1GTRUeno]

AJL308 said:

jamoor said:

PRTVR said:

Thats a good idea , if you leave your country for terrorism you forgo your right to citizenship, it should be an international law.

Whose problem do they become?

Why doesn't the UN establish a remote isolation island somewhere for the ste no one else wants?

Because that’ll become a slippery slope to only the elites getting to live anywhere but that st island, probably.

[Biggy Stardust]

psi310398 said:

Biggy Stardust said:

She was born a Bangladeshi citizen too so it's as broad as it's long.

Indeed. She may well have grounds to sue the authorities there, too, if they don’t accept her citizenship as a matter of Bangladeshi law..

But I thought we were discussing the stripping of her British nationality.

You were discussing her nationality at birth- I was correcting you.

[NMNeil]

Mrr T said:

The UK also has its laws and its important the government follows them. At some point she will be in a position to instruct lawyers in her appeal. When she is I rather suspect she will be successful and will then be returning to the UK with a handsome compensation package. All of which you and I will be paying. If your happy for the government to spend our money so the HS can get some headlines, we'll fine. I am less happy with that.

There is no appeal on a decision made by the Supreme Court.
https://www.supremecourt.uk/about/role-of-the-supr...

[JuanCarlosFandango]

NMNeil said:

There is no appeal on a decision made by the Supreme Court.
https://www.supremecourt.uk/about/role-of-the-supr...

Could it not still be appealed to the European Court of Human Rights?

[anonymous-user]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

Could it not still be appealed to the European Court of Human Rights?

Not binding on UK courts but there judgements may be used as reference in future UK cases.

[jamoor]

voyds9 said:

I do wonder which would be the top of her list

Sue the UK and return here where she is despised and may well suffer a life of being persecuted

Or go to a country who more understands and shares her views

Which countries want terrorists again?

[Biggy Stardust]

jamoor said:

Which countries want terrorists again?

Yemen, Somalia, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Algeria...................................

Note the religion in those countries- she'll fit in nicely.

[jamoor]

Biggy Stardust said:

Yemen, Somalia, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Algeria...................................

Note the religion in those countries- she'll fit in nicely.

I do wonder how many of these states supported ISIS and how many saw Isis as an enemy.

[Mrr T]

NMNeil said:

Mrr T said:

The UK also has its laws and its important the government follows them. At some point she will be in a position to instruct lawyers in her appeal. When she is I rather suspect she will be successful and will then be returning to the UK with a handsome compensation package. All of which you and I will be paying. If your happy for the government to spend our money so the HS can get some headlines, we'll fine. I am less happy with that.

There is no appeal on a decision made by the Supreme Court.
https://www.supremecourt.uk/about/role-of-the-supr...

Your right but the decision only relates to the power of the HS to stop her returning at the moment. The case on her removal of citizenship has not been decided and I expect the government will lose.

She will then be returning and claiming compensation.

[Octoposse]

Mrr T said:

Your right but the decision only relates to the power of the HS to stop her returning at the moment. The case on her removal of citizenship has not been decided and I expect the government will lose.

She will then be returning and claiming compensation.

Yup - 90% she'll ultimately win on the basis that the Home Secretary acted unlawfully. Huge waste of public money.

Oh yes, and when she does return it will be front page, first question on "Question Time", Farage frothing, Facebook exploding, high profile. Hardly conducive to a calm successful reintegration.

Worse, removing her citizenship makes "us" look weak, lacking confidence in our democracy and institutions to deal with a young lady who made a terrible decision as a 15 year old.

Edited by Octoposse on Thursday 4th March 22:50

[anonymous-user]

Octoposse said:

Worse, removing her citizenship makes "us" look weak, lacking confidence in our democracy and institutions to deal with a young lady who made a terrible decision as a 15 year old.

Weak to who? Anyone arguing that because she is 15 and even now still sees nothing wrong with her actions is about deluded as they come.

The law used,
''the Secretary of State is satisfied that the person has conducted themselves in a manner which is seriously prejudicial to the vital interests of the UK whilst being British, and
there are reasonable grounds to believe that the person is able to become a national of another country, under the law of that country,''

''55.4.4 “Conduciveness to the Public Good” means depriving in the public interest on the grounds of involvement in terrorism, espionage, serious organised crime, war crimes or unacceptable behaviours.''

Seems like the HS did the legal duty of the public.

[Oilchange]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

NMNeil said:

There is no appeal on a decision made by the Supreme Court.
https://www.supremecourt.uk/about/role-of-the-supr...

Could it not still be appealed to the European Court of Human Rights?

... have you been asleep for the last four years!

[zb]

Oilchange said:

JuanCarlosFandango said:

NMNeil said:

There is no appeal on a decision made by the Supreme Court.
https://www.supremecourt.uk/about/role-of-the-supr...

Could it not still be appealed to the European Court of Human Rights?

... have you been asleep for the last four years!

No. They've been under their bridge, demanding tolls from billy goats gruff.

[anonymous-user]

Oilchange said:

... have you been asleep for the last four years!

There is a misconception the ECHR is binding to UK courts, it never has and most likely never will.

The UK courts can reference them in cases which will mostly continue as it is a UK law that allows this.

[sutoka]

Saw this on twitter the other day which is fairly accurate.

[Quisling]

sutoka said:

Saw this on twitter the other day which is fairly accurate.

While also claiming that the UK is a massively hostile and racist country to anyone who isn't white