No gas boilers in new homes after 2025.

No gas boilers in new homes after 2025.

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powerstroke

8,086 posts

99 months

Wednesday 13th March
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Good idea.... we need to find some use for all the surplus electricity !!!

Lord Marylebone

8,040 posts

119 months

Wednesday 13th March
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My only surprise is that it’s taken this long.

It seems ludicrous that almost every home has a gas boiler burning for hours every day spewing out exhaust gasses.

Down and out

222 posts

3 months

Wednesday 13th March
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Lord Marylebone said:
My only surprise is that it’s taken this long.

It seems ludicrous that almost every home has a gas boiler burning for hours every day spewing out exhaust gasses.
I agree, let's use coal instead.

powerstroke

8,086 posts

99 months

Wednesday 13th March
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Lord Marylebone said:
My only surprise is that it’s taken this long.

It seems ludicrous that almost every home has a gas boiler burning for hours every day spewing out exhaust gasses.
Yes better to burn the gas in some remote power station instead ....
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dundarach

1,770 posts

167 months

Wednesday 13th March
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It's all relative, heating Castle Dundarach by leccy would be expensive.

Heating newbie starter home, insulated to buggery, cheap as pomme frites!


foxbody-87

1,981 posts

105 months

Wednesday 13th March
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Moving away from fossil fuels is generally a good thing IMHO. For now though gas is probably the cleanest one we can use. Coal is dirty and electric is expensive (and usually generated using coal anyway). The one thing I will lament the loss of though is a roaring fire. The heat coming off glowing coals at the end of an evening is lovely. Plus the smell if you’re burning logs. By 2025 we will probably be running around fining people for camp fires whilst China is going full Industrial Revolution making all the crap we buy.

Art0ir

8,743 posts

109 months

Wednesday 13th March
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foxbody-87 said:
By 2025 we will probably be running around fining people for camp fires whilst China Sub-Saharan Africa is going full Industrial Revolution making all the crap we buy.
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mondeoman

9,296 posts

205 months

Wednesday 13th March
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what a crap idea.

But I suppose its one way to make sure everyone has to carry on working - what ever happened to the dream of free energy , or at least cheap energy? Electric heating is the worst of the worst.

Lord Marylebone

8,040 posts

119 months

Wednesday 13th March
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powerstroke said:
Lord Marylebone said:
My only surprise is that it’s taken this long.

It seems ludicrous that almost every home has a gas boiler burning for hours every day spewing out exhaust gasses.
Yes better to burn the gas in some remote power station instead ....
Producing electricity centrally in vast quantities and then using it to heat individual homes is far more efficient from a fuel/emissions point of view than having millions of gas boilers heating individual homes.

Currently we have the equivalent of every home on a remote development having a diesel generator running, instead of one larger and far more efficient one powering all 100 homes or whatever.

I believe the future lies in individual properties taking far more responsibility for their own electricity needs (solar) yet still being connected to a central power grid.

My new house that I’m building will be as energy efficient as practical, and I am looking into alternative electric-powered heating systems rather than gas.

voyds9

6,849 posts

222 months

Wednesday 13th March
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Lord Marylebone said:
Producing electricity centrally in vast quantities and then using it to heat individual homes is far more efficient from a fuel/emissions point of view than having millions of gas boilers heating individual homes.

Currently we have the equivalent of every home on a remote development having a diesel generator running, instead of one larger and far more efficient one powering all 100 homes or whatever.

I believe the future lies in individual properties taking far more responsibility for their own electricity needs (solar) yet still being connected to a central power grid.

My new house that I’m building will be as energy efficient as practical, and I am looking into alternative electric-powered heating systems rather than gas.
Would you guess that producing electricity more efficiently centrally will lead to a rise or lowering of household bills?

abzmike

937 posts

45 months

Wednesday 13th March
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And that’s the point. At the moment solutions other than gas boilers are not mainstream by any means, and things like ground source heat pumps useless for all but homes that have access to open land. For the Chancellor to stand up today and say boilers in new homes will be outlawed in 5 years is absurd.

Talksteer

3,309 posts

172 months

Wednesday 13th March
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foxbody-87 said:
Moving away from fossil fuels is generally a good thing IMHO. For now though gas is probably the cleanest one we can use. Coal is dirty and electric is expensive (and usually generated using coal anyway). The one thing I will lament the loss of though is a roaring fire. The heat coming off glowing coals at the end of an evening is lovely. Plus the smell if you’re burning logs. By 2025 we will probably be running around fining people for camp fires whilst China is going full Industrial Revolution making all the crap we buy.
In the UK coal is used to generate electricity exceedingly rarely, the 2018 this was the breakdown

40.7%: Gas-fired power stations
28.1%: Renewables
22.5%: Nuclear plants
1.3%: Coal-fired power stations
7.4%: Electricity imports

Resistive heating is inefficient, current plans are that homes will be heated using heat pumps which are much more efficient.

One of the proposed methods is that existing houses may be heated with a heat pump with supplemental heat being added with gas on really cold days. Potentially some of the gas may be hydrogen which burns fine in normal boilers (though I don't see this as sensible until electricity is "too cheap to meter")

kev1974

2,736 posts

68 months

Thursday 14th March
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2025 seems rather ambitious.

AJL308

2,397 posts

95 months

Thursday 14th March
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Several years ago I heard about a boiler which used what was essentially a microwave oven to heat water rather than gas. It was massively more efficient than gas and would cost pennies per day to run and had next to no moving or wear parts so they were cheap to buy an install. They were going to be made in mongolia or somewhere unusual like that or something.

Unsurprisingly they disappeared from the market so the patents were most likely bought up by BP or something so that they'd never see the light of day.

It would be interesting to see if these resurface over the next few years and who actually starts making them.

wc98

7,569 posts

79 months

Thursday 14th March
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Talksteer said:
In the UK coal is used to generate electricity exceedingly rarely, the 2018 this was the breakdown

40.7%: Gas-fired power stations
28.1%: Renewables
22.5%: Nuclear plants
1.3%: Coal-fired power stations
7.4%: Electricity imports

Resistive heating is inefficient, current plans are that homes will be heated using heat pumps which are much more efficient.

One of the proposed methods is that existing houses may be heated with a heat pump with supplemental heat being added with gas on really cold days. Potentially some of the gas may be hydrogen which burns fine in normal boilers (though I don't see this as sensible until electricity is "too cheap to meter")
living in scotland we can sometimes get lots of really cold days. i will plan on burning my local snp mp's fence on those days biggrin

B'stard Child

17,114 posts

185 months

Thursday 14th March
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wc98 said:
living in scotland we can sometimes get lots of really cold days. i will plan on burning my local snp mp's fence on those days biggrin
rofl

Does the local SNP MP not burn?

mondeoman

9,296 posts

205 months

Thursday 14th March
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Heat pumps? Htc are they going to get a big enough and efficient enough heat pump to run a block of 2bed flats in Central London.?

mondeoman

9,296 posts

205 months

Thursday 14th March
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Lord Marylebone said:
powerstroke said:
Lord Marylebone said:
My only surprise is that it’s taken this long.

It seems ludicrous that almost every home has a gas boiler burning for hours every day spewing out exhaust gasses.
Yes better to burn the gas in some remote power station instead ....
Producing electricity centrally in vast quantities and then using it to heat individual homes is far more efficient from a fuel/emissions point of view than having millions of gas boilers heating individual homes.

Currently we have the equivalent of every home on a remote development having a diesel generator running, instead of one larger and far more efficient one powering all 100 homes or whatever.

I believe the future lies in individual properties taking far more responsibility for their own electricity needs (solar) yet still being connected to a central power grid.

My new house that I’m building will be as energy efficient as practical, and I am looking into alternative electric-powered heating systems rather than gas.
And how many acres have you got for the heat pump? Works (maybe) for one off developments, not high density estates or 2bed flat complexes,.

ATG

16,000 posts

211 months

Thursday 14th March
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mondeoman said:
And how many acres have you got for the heat pump? Works (maybe) for one off developments, not high density estates or 2bed flat complexes,.
Air source heat pump