No gas boilers in new homes after 2025.
Discussion
Moving away from fossil fuels is generally a good thing IMHO. For now though gas is probably the cleanest one we can use. Coal is dirty and electric is expensive (and usually generated using coal anyway). The one thing I will lament the loss of though is a roaring fire. The heat coming off glowing coals at the end of an evening is lovely. Plus the smell if you’re burning logs. By 2025 we will probably be running around fining people for camp fires whilst China is going full Industrial Revolution making all the crap we buy.
powerstroke said:
Lord Marylebone said:
My only surprise is that it’s taken this long.
It seems ludicrous that almost every home has a gas boiler burning for hours every day spewing out exhaust gasses.
Yes better to burn the gas in some remote power station instead ....It seems ludicrous that almost every home has a gas boiler burning for hours every day spewing out exhaust gasses.
Currently we have the equivalent of every home on a remote development having a diesel generator running, instead of one larger and far more efficient one powering all 100 homes or whatever.
I believe the future lies in individual properties taking far more responsibility for their own electricity needs (solar) yet still being connected to a central power grid.
My new house that I’m building will be as energy efficient as practical, and I am looking into alternative electric-powered heating systems rather than gas.
Lord Marylebone said:
Producing electricity centrally in vast quantities and then using it to heat individual homes is far more efficient from a fuel/emissions point of view than having millions of gas boilers heating individual homes.
Currently we have the equivalent of every home on a remote development having a diesel generator running, instead of one larger and far more efficient one powering all 100 homes or whatever.
I believe the future lies in individual properties taking far more responsibility for their own electricity needs (solar) yet still being connected to a central power grid.
My new house that I’m building will be as energy efficient as practical, and I am looking into alternative electric-powered heating systems rather than gas.
Would you guess that producing electricity more efficiently centrally will lead to a rise or lowering of household bills?Currently we have the equivalent of every home on a remote development having a diesel generator running, instead of one larger and far more efficient one powering all 100 homes or whatever.
I believe the future lies in individual properties taking far more responsibility for their own electricity needs (solar) yet still being connected to a central power grid.
My new house that I’m building will be as energy efficient as practical, and I am looking into alternative electric-powered heating systems rather than gas.
And that’s the point. At the moment solutions other than gas boilers are not mainstream by any means, and things like ground source heat pumps useless for all but homes that have access to open land. For the Chancellor to stand up today and say boilers in new homes will be outlawed in 5 years is absurd.
foxbody-87 said:
Moving away from fossil fuels is generally a good thing IMHO. For now though gas is probably the cleanest one we can use. Coal is dirty and electric is expensive (and usually generated using coal anyway). The one thing I will lament the loss of though is a roaring fire. The heat coming off glowing coals at the end of an evening is lovely. Plus the smell if you’re burning logs. By 2025 we will probably be running around fining people for camp fires whilst China is going full Industrial Revolution making all the crap we buy.
In the UK coal is used to generate electricity exceedingly rarely, the 2018 this was the breakdown40.7%: Gas-fired power stations
28.1%: Renewables
22.5%: Nuclear plants
1.3%: Coal-fired power stations
7.4%: Electricity imports
Resistive heating is inefficient, current plans are that homes will be heated using heat pumps which are much more efficient.
One of the proposed methods is that existing houses may be heated with a heat pump with supplemental heat being added with gas on really cold days. Potentially some of the gas may be hydrogen which burns fine in normal boilers (though I don't see this as sensible until electricity is "too cheap to meter")
Several years ago I heard about a boiler which used what was essentially a microwave oven to heat water rather than gas. It was massively more efficient than gas and would cost pennies per day to run and had next to no moving or wear parts so they were cheap to buy an install. They were going to be made in mongolia or somewhere unusual like that or something.
Unsurprisingly they disappeared from the market so the patents were most likely bought up by BP or something so that they'd never see the light of day.
It would be interesting to see if these resurface over the next few years and who actually starts making them.
Unsurprisingly they disappeared from the market so the patents were most likely bought up by BP or something so that they'd never see the light of day.
It would be interesting to see if these resurface over the next few years and who actually starts making them.
Talksteer said:
In the UK coal is used to generate electricity exceedingly rarely, the 2018 this was the breakdown
40.7%: Gas-fired power stations
28.1%: Renewables
22.5%: Nuclear plants
1.3%: Coal-fired power stations
7.4%: Electricity imports
Resistive heating is inefficient, current plans are that homes will be heated using heat pumps which are much more efficient.
One of the proposed methods is that existing houses may be heated with a heat pump with supplemental heat being added with gas on really cold days. Potentially some of the gas may be hydrogen which burns fine in normal boilers (though I don't see this as sensible until electricity is "too cheap to meter")
living in scotland we can sometimes get lots of really cold days. i will plan on burning my local snp mp's fence on those days 40.7%: Gas-fired power stations
28.1%: Renewables
22.5%: Nuclear plants
1.3%: Coal-fired power stations
7.4%: Electricity imports
Resistive heating is inefficient, current plans are that homes will be heated using heat pumps which are much more efficient.
One of the proposed methods is that existing houses may be heated with a heat pump with supplemental heat being added with gas on really cold days. Potentially some of the gas may be hydrogen which burns fine in normal boilers (though I don't see this as sensible until electricity is "too cheap to meter")
Lord Marylebone said:
powerstroke said:
Lord Marylebone said:
My only surprise is that it’s taken this long.
It seems ludicrous that almost every home has a gas boiler burning for hours every day spewing out exhaust gasses.
Yes better to burn the gas in some remote power station instead ....It seems ludicrous that almost every home has a gas boiler burning for hours every day spewing out exhaust gasses.
Currently we have the equivalent of every home on a remote development having a diesel generator running, instead of one larger and far more efficient one powering all 100 homes or whatever.
I believe the future lies in individual properties taking far more responsibility for their own electricity needs (solar) yet still being connected to a central power grid.
My new house that I’m building will be as energy efficient as practical, and I am looking into alternative electric-powered heating systems rather than gas.
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