Mass shooting in NZ mosque

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macushla

1,135 posts

5 months

Friday 15th March
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Cerdo Espada said:
Such a bold assertion. An explanation is in order, methinks, if you have the bottle.

Again, would you ever suggest to a Muslim the same ? What a lefty rat.
Not a Leftie, never have been, never will be. Equally, not a right wing extremist, nor a fake Christian.

You are fake, your claim to be a practising Christian is fake, your sympathetic comments on this thread are fake, you are revelling in this thread and using it to support your ongoing anti-Islam, Anti-Muslim, anti-immigration, anti-brown people agenda that you perpetuate on every thread that you post on.

Enough bottle for you?

Brooking10

4,273 posts

80 months

Friday 15th March
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Cerdo Espada said:
Such a bold assertion. An explanation is in order, methinks, if you have the bottle.

Again, would you ever suggest to a Muslim the same ? What a lefty rat.
Oh Porky.

The Christian facade does seem to have slipped somewhat.

Good line in fire and brimstone though smile


Countdown

22,468 posts

135 months

Friday 15th March
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James 24 said:
The terrorists of the white supremacist right are telling us as loudly and clearly as they can that we are dealing here not with a handful of sad loners, oddballs or psychopaths, though they may be all of those things, but a global, if diffuse, movement with a core ideology – one that draws strength and succour from political leaders, including those at the very highest level.
I disagree with you. I think they are entirely composed of sad loners, oddballs, and psychopaths. That’s why incidences such as today’s are thankfully rare. If they were indeed some kind of global movement with a core ideology there would be far more events like this, (especially in the US where mass shootings are relatively commonplace)

Cerdo Espada

255 posts

3 months

Friday 15th March
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Burwood said:
Cerdo Espada said:
macushla said:
Cerdo Espada said:
Only of your bullst. Change the record.

I realise for people like you that its easy, cool and fashionable to mock a Christian from the safety of your keyboard but honestly have you never felt the urge to criticise a Muslim or mocked their faith ? No ? I thought not.
The frustration must be killing you. Turning you to a big wobbling chunk of gammon. Probably.
You’re not a practising Christian, I doubt you’ve seen the inside of a church sinc your schooldays. Your posts on this topic and others are clear in what they really mean.



Edited by macushla on Friday 15th March 20:11
Such a bold assertion. An explanation is in order, methinks, if you have the bottle.

Again, would you ever suggest to a Muslim the same ? What a lefty rat.
I’ll give you a week before you leave us. Lol. Whacko smile
Oh yeah ? What is it you're muttering about ?
Out with it man. If you are indeed a man. And the correct epithet is wacko...as in 'Jacko'.

You could be right though (though not in the political sense of the word of course wink ) those round here daring to post the truth are usually dispensed with......

GOATever

638 posts

6 months

Friday 15th March
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I was a bit surprised that this kicked off in NZ. I wasn’t surprised that it did kick off though. This sort of tit for tat attack is not going to be easy to stop. ‘They’ attack a nightclub in Paris / a road in London etc.etc. Some nutter who blames ‘that lot’ goes on an indiscriminate rampage. It’s a poor show, and I can’t see it ending well.
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Cerdo Espada

255 posts

3 months

Friday 15th March
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GOATever said:
I was a bit surprised that this kicked off in NZ. I wasn’t surprised that it did kick off though. This sort of tit for tat attack is not going to be easy to stop. ‘They’ attack a nightclub in Paris / a road in London etc.etc. Some nutter who blames ‘that lot’ goes on an indiscriminate rampage. It’s a poor show, and I can’t see it ending well.
Thats a straightforward account of what is happening right there. Lets hope, and pray, that humanity prevails....

Brooking10

4,273 posts

80 months

Friday 15th March
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Cerdo Espada said:
Brooking10 said:
Cerdo Espada said:
Such a bold assertion. An explanation is in order, methinks, if you have the bottle.

Again, would you ever suggest to a Muslim the same ? What a lefty rat.
Oh Porky.

The Christian facade does seem to have slipped somewhat.

Good line in fire and brimstone though smile
Oh, Trevor,
you wouldn't know a Christian if he kicked you in the bks, strangled you with his Rosary beads and force-fed you a large Victorian King James Bible (I'm certain it would fit with room to spare though).
I’ll tell ask the nuns at the convent I attended many moons ago and to those at the one my kids are at now too.

Fortunately none of them have approached me in the fashion you detail yet smile



Cerdo Espada

255 posts

3 months

Friday 15th March
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Brooking10 said:
Cerdo Espada said:
Brooking10 said:
Cerdo Espada said:
Such a bold assertion. An explanation is in order, methinks, if you have the bottle.

Again, would you ever suggest to a Muslim the same ? What a lefty rat.
Oh Porky.

The Christian facade does seem to have slipped somewhat.

Good line in fire and brimstone though smile
Oh, Trevor,
you wouldn't know a Christian if he kicked you in the bks, strangled you with his Rosary beads and force-fed you a large Victorian King James Bible (I'm certain it would fit with room to spare though).
I’ll tell ask the nuns at the convent I attended many moons ago and to those at the one my kids are at now too.

Fortunately none of them have approached me in the fashion you detail yet smile
Understand garbled not first sentence.

You been on the sauce (again) ?

I'm sure they've thought about it though......

Brooking10

4,273 posts

80 months

Friday 15th March
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Cerdo Espada said:
Understand garbled not first sentence.

You been on the sauce (again) ?

I'm sure they've thought about it though......
biglaugh

No doubt, but they’ve held back because they’d rather have the fees than the satisfaction. wink


Burwood

11,390 posts

185 months

Friday 15th March
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Cerdo Espada said:
GOATever said:
I was a bit surprised that this kicked off in NZ. I wasn’t surprised that it did kick off though. This sort of tit for tat attack is not going to be easy to stop. ‘They’ attack a nightclub in Paris / a road in London etc.etc. Some nutter who blames ‘that lot’ goes on an indiscriminate rampage. It’s a poor show, and I can’t see it ending well.
Thats a straightforward account of what is happening right there. Lets hope, and pray, that humanity prevails....
Your God hasn’t helped much has ‘he’. Millions of prayers daily, and still smile

Brooking10

4,273 posts

80 months

Friday 15th March
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Burwood said:
Your God hasn’t helped much has ‘he’. Millions of prayers daily, and still smile
Pork Sword’s God is a God of convenience and justification.

Very much like that of those who twist Islam and other religions to justify or salve an agenda.

The lunatic who perpetrated the dreadful act in NZ yesterday no doubt saw himself as having a God too and would describe himself as a Christian.

Religion really is the broadest of churches.

djc206

4,697 posts

64 months

Friday 15th March
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I’m going to suggest that hoping and praying isn’t going to work, never has, never will.

Robust action to deal with extremists at both end of the spectrum is required, accepting that freedom of speech comes with responsibilities would be a good start. That needs to start at the top.

andy_s

14,136 posts

198 months

Friday 15th March
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Has anyone read the 'manifesto'? It's quite the hotch-potch.

Burwood

11,390 posts

185 months

Friday 15th March
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Brooking10 said:
Burwood said:
Your God hasn’t helped much has ‘he’. Millions of prayers daily, and still smile
Pork Sword’s God is a God of convenience and justification.

Very much like that of those who twist Islam and other religions to justify or salve an agenda.

The lunatic who perpetrated the dreadful act in NZ yesterday no doubt saw himself as having a God too and would describe himself as a Christian.

Religion really is the broadest of churches.
Has the Nz murderer referenced religion? I thought he was more far right white supremacy type. Too much news, not enough detail

GOATever

638 posts

6 months

Friday 15th March
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The trouble comes when humans ( try ) to interpret the ( insert mythical sky fairy’s ) will. Human nature is such, that they will find something in their ( insert mythical sky fairy’s ) canon, which justifies their actions. If I was the ( insert mythical sky fairy ) I’d be getting my arse down here to sort it out, before there’s nothing left to sort out.

Brooking10

4,273 posts

80 months

Friday 15th March
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Burwood said:
Brooking10 said:
Burwood said:
Your God hasn’t helped much has ‘he’. Millions of prayers daily, and still smile
Pork Sword’s God is a God of convenience and justification.

Very much like that of those who twist Islam and other religions to justify or salve an agenda.

The lunatic who perpetrated the dreadful act in NZ yesterday no doubt saw himself as having a God too and would describe himself as a Christian.

Religion really is the broadest of churches.
Has the Nz murderer referenced religion? I thought he was more far right white supremacy type. Too much news, not enough detail
I might be wrong but I thought I had read he used various prose relating to the Crusades etc

scenario8

5,207 posts

118 months

Friday 15th March
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Burwood said:
Has the Nz murderer referenced religion? I thought he was more far right white supremacy type. Too much news, not enough detail
If nothing else his guns were plastered with religious (Christian) references. I’ve not read his manifesto and it isn’t high in my list of priorities but I imagine others better equipped to answer you will be along.

Burwood

11,390 posts

185 months

Friday 15th March
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Brooking10 said:
Burwood said:
Brooking10 said:
Burwood said:
Your God hasn’t helped much has ‘he’. Millions of prayers daily, and still smile
Pork Sword’s God is a God of convenience and justification.

Very much like that of those who twist Islam and other religions to justify or salve an agenda.

The lunatic who perpetrated the dreadful act in NZ yesterday no doubt saw himself as having a God too and would describe himself as a Christian.

Religion really is the broadest of churches.
Has the Nz murderer referenced religion? I thought he was more far right white supremacy type. Too much news, not enough detail
I might be wrong but I thought I had read he used various prose relating to the Crusades etc
Right, I read that. He also said he’s poor, working class and this is payback. I’ll add thick to that list so it’s unclear if he’s a religious loon

techiedave

5,884 posts

49 months

Friday 15th March
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I see this thread has a certain newer High insult ratio poster on it. Trouble just seems to occur whenever he pops up, Funny that.

Genuine sadness at this event. Not the place I would have thought such a thing would happen.
Just appalling

youngsyr

11,066 posts

131 months

Friday 15th March
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simoid said:
Europa1 said:
A few posters have said they were sent a link to the video. I cannot understand the mentality of people who would send it. "I've just watched a video of a massacre of innocent people; I know, I'll send it to my mate..."
I suppose a lot of folk are desensitised by games and films so are able to watch. If you’re in 10 group chats, chances are probably one of them might send it on. I did think about watching it but I don’t want to add to the view count as it could be seen as support, and I don’t really want to have the visuals even though I can well imagine what they look like.
You can't.

A lot of it has to be seen (and heard) to be believed.

I'll describe in fairly innocuous words in the spoiler below one particularly harrowing part; I genuinely doubt that anyone who hasn't seen something similar with their own eyes can imagine the impact of seeing it and hearing it.

I would argue, as I did earlier, that adults need to see events like this to experience their full emotional impact. Without seeing it for yourself, it is too easy to dismiss it and not think about it. I suspect many (but obviously not all) Americans who are in favour of private gun ownership would reconsider if they saw this video, or a close up one of the Las Vegas shootings, for instance.

Don't read this if you don't want to know exactly what happened in a part of the video.

After shooting everyone he could find inside the mosque, the gunman leaves the mosque by the front door looking for more victims. As he exits the front door of the mosque, you can see a small figure dressed in black, about 30 metres away, running away from the mosque towards the low wall between the mosque car park and the pavement. The gunman raises his semi automatic rifle and fires several rounds at her. We can't see whether he hit or missed as the camera is shakey.

The gunman then walks calmly to the pavement outside the mosque and looks in the direction of the person he previously shot at. He raises his rifle and fires another burst. We cannot see his target yet. The gunman then walks calmly on the pavement towards where he was shooting.

After a second or two you start to hear a woman screaming "Help me! Help me! Help me!". Her voice gets louder as the gunman walks on and eventually the person in black from the mosque comes into view, lying face down sprawled in the gutter, obviously in pain and unable to get up. The gunman had clearly hit her with his previous volley.

She continues to scream "Help me! Help me!" as the gunman slowly approaches her. When he gets to about 10 feet away he fires two shots that we see hit her in the head. Her screaming stops.


Now that is some of the most graphic description I've ever written or read on the internet and even that doesn't convey even a part of the horror of actually seeing and hearing it on the video.