How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 10)

[Helicopter123]

Brexit: No deal means hard Irish border, says Selmayr

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47966180

GFA means a 'no deal' brexit will not be accepted by the EU or UK.

[amusingduck]

Helicopter123 said:

Last time around, Mods looked at it, and were completely satisfied that no-one was posting under multiple names.

They did?! Holy crap I missed it.

That's even worse!! mx5nut is literally a poorly-coded NPC version of yourself

[amusingduck]

Helicopter123 said:

Brexit: No deal means hard Irish border, says Selmayr

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47966180

GFA means a 'no deal' brexit will not be accepted by the EU or UK.

Why's that, because of the rules? Hilarious coming from Selmayr

[Helicopter123]

amusingduck said:

Helicopter123 said:

Last time around, Mods looked at it, and were completely satisfied that no-one was posting under multiple names.

They did?! Holy crap I missed it.

That's even worse!! mx5nut is literally a poorly-coded NPC version of yourself

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=24&t=1792597

[SeeFive]

Helicopter123 said:

Brexit: No deal means hard Irish border, says Selmayr

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47966180

GFA means a 'no deal' brexit will not be accepted by the EU or UK.

So is the man that the EU can’t get rid of democratically suggesting that the E.U. will implement a hard border then? The UK and Ireland aren’t AFAIK.

Seems like we should distance ourselves from such people that have been voted out democratically by their organisation but are still in post.

[Piha]

gooner1 said:

Toaster said:

Just a thought here to all those that think that the Irish backstop is something that can be disregarded

"Pelosi warns there will be no U.S.-U.K. trade deal if Brexit harms the Irish peace accord" https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/pelosi-warns-...

So much for "the easiest deal in the world" and the notion that we can write our own rules and sod everyone else

Ah, Pelosi .
Remind me again who is it that is currently the U.S. President, and who , like it or not,
is probably going to be the next one?

While you're at it, could you also remind me who it is that has stated they want a hard border
erected? Couple of clues to help you along, it ain't the UK or the ROI.

As previously posted, Pelosi has stated this is the view of US Congress.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-irela...

This message was repeated at the London School of Economics.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-trade-pelosi...

The UK's extreme tory Brexit faction is wanting to change the status quo, not Ireland or the EU.

[chrispmartha]

gooner1 said:

chrispmartha said:

Troubleatmill said:

Did Budgie ever post back with the last 3 digits of the phone number?

Even if he had what would it have proved?

It was a nonsense request.

You consider Budgie's claim to be legit?

I've not got a clue, but the request for him to post the last 3 numbers of a phone number wouldn't prove anything either way.

[wiggy001]

Helicopter123 said:

Brexit: No deal means hard Irish border, says Selmayr

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47966180

GFA means a 'no deal' brexit will not be accepted by the EU or UK.

Just wondering whether the EU builders will be wearing EU uniforms when they build this border to ensure everyone is aware that it is the EU, and not Ireland or the UK, that is responsible for this.

[andymadmak]

Piha said:

The UK's extreme tory Brexit faction is wanting to change the status quo, not Ireland or the EU.

Please can you stop with this guff? 17.5 million people are not 'extreme tory Brexit faction' and the support for Brexit amongst politicians and public transcends party lines. A significant % of Labour voters are also Brexit supporters. They may be a minority in the party, but they are still a significant %.

Likewise, exercising ones rights under a treaty is not something that should be an excuse for others to weaponise the Irish border and the NI peace treaty. Glib assertions that it's the UK changing the status quo, whilst technically correct, fail to recognise that the process is entirely legal and is encapsulated in EU law.
There was and is no need for this to be an issue. The EU and Ireland have made it an issue, and the reasons for that are entirely political.

[gooner1]

chrispmartha said:

I've not got a clue, but the request for him to post the last 3 numbers of a phone number wouldn't prove anything either way.

It would if the requester knew Faisals phone number.

[p1stonhead]

gooner1 said:

chrispmartha said:

I've not got a clue, but the request for him to post the last 3 numbers of a phone number wouldn't prove anything either way.

It would if the requester knew Faisals phone number.

And we would know that the requester was telling the truth because?

[gooner1]

andymadmak said:

Please can you stop with this guff? 17.5 million people are not 'extreme tory Brexit faction' and the support for Brexit amongst politicians and public transcends party lines. A significant % of Labour voters are also Brexit supporters. They may be a minority in the party, but they are still a significant %.

Likewise, exercising ones rights under a treaty is not something that should be an excuse for others to weaponise the Irish border and the NI peace treaty. Glib assertions that it's the UK changing the status quo, whilst technically correct, fail to recognise that the process is entirely legal and is encapsulated in EU law.
There was and is no need for this to be an issue. The EU and Ireland have made it an issue, and the reasons for that are entirely political.

Piha is well aware of the above, it just doesn't suit his view of the facts.

[loafer123]

p1stonhead said:

gooner1 said:

chrispmartha said:

I've not got a clue, but the request for him to post the last 3 numbers of a phone number wouldn't prove anything either way.

It would if the requester knew Faisals phone number.

And we would know that the requester was telling the truth because?

Heli has to take that chance...don’t give any numbers means he was lying. Give wrong numbers and the guy who knows Faisal knows Heli was lying and can prove it in extremis. If Heli gives the right numbers and can prove that, in extremis, much to everyone’s surprise, Heli can prove he wasn’t lying.

Of course, in reality, Heli is a troll at best and fantasist at worst.

[Squiddly Diddly]

loafer123 said:

Heli has to take that chance...don’t give any numbers means he was lying.

Rubbish.

Believe him or not, that's your choice, but someones refusal to comply with a demand from another poster does not in any way mean they are lying.

[loafer123]

Squiddly Diddly said:

loafer123 said:

Heli has to take that chance...don’t give any numbers means he was lying.

Rubbish.

Believe him or not, that's your choice, but someones refusal to comply with a demand from another poster does not in any way mean they are lying.

You can believe that if you want, but he immediately went very quiet when called out on it, and he has plenty of form.

[Squiddly Diddly]

loafer123 said:

You can believe that if you want, but he immediately went very quiet when called out on it, and he has plenty of form.

So what, people have lives outside PH you know.

How do you know that the other poster claiming to know Faisal is not lying?

So childish this ...

[Disastrous]

jtremlett said:

Toaster said:

...So much for "the easiest deal in the world" and the notion that we can write our own rules and sod everyone else

I'm heartily sick of that being quoted without the rest of what he actually said which was "The only reason we wouldn't come to a free and open agreement is because politics gets in the way of economics" and completely changes the sense of it and very obviously the politics has got in the way.

Yes, an almost completely unforeseeable situation!

[gooner1]

p1stonhead said:

gooner1 said:

chrispmartha said:

I've not got a clue, but the request for him to post the last 3 numbers of a phone number wouldn't prove anything either way.

It would if the requester knew Faisals phone number.

And we would know that the requester was telling the truth because?

"We" wouldn't. But like I stated, " if the requester knew Faisals phone number" he would
know the truth of Budgies claim.

But as our Flying freind hasn't responded, it's all slightly moot, is it not?

[Vanden Saab]

gooner1 said:

jtremlett said:

'm heartily sick of that being quoted without the rest of what he actually said which was "The only reason we wouldn't come to a free and open agreement is because politics gets in the way of economics" and completely changes the sense of it and very obviously the politics has got in the way.

These are not just lies, these are specially selected NP&E Remainer lies.

[slow_poke]

gooner1 said:

slow_poke said:

That border has been weaponised, politically. By Ireland and by the EU. That's the reality. That has to be dealt with effectively for Brexit to survive.

Snipped to get to the crux of the matter.

Ireland and the EU did indeed weaponise the border politically.
Now let them de-weaponise it, or let the EU carry out their threat of building a hard border.

I believe a senior member of the EU has already suggested that a customs border need
not be in the location under debate.

Let me elaborate on my "weaponise" post.

The EU side (includes Ireland, since they're remaining one of the rEU27) did indeed weaponise the Irish border. They got that chance to do so because the UK put in play when it voted to Brexit.

So, the UK needs to engage constructively to neutralise rEU27's weaponisation. This is just politics. And slagging off extremely powerful, influential senior USA politicians is no way to progress a satisfactory Brexit.

Engage with the reality. Deal with it. The EU are running rings around UK politicians & civil servants. It's downright embarrassing.