How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 10)
Discussion
Piha said:
crankedup said:
No battle , no war, just politics.
National referendum, binary vote, result the U.K. leave the EU.
The EU has a built in set of four fundamentals, we voted to leave that behind.
Both major party’s promised to enact the National referendum result.
Failure of these party’s to enact the promise made will be facing extinction.
Good morning Mr Farage.
Seems to me that those are the facts.
Game over, not enough points scored for another go.
Facts you say.........National referendum, binary vote, result the U.K. leave the EU.
The EU has a built in set of four fundamentals, we voted to leave that behind.
Both major party’s promised to enact the National referendum result.
Failure of these party’s to enact the promise made will be facing extinction.
Good morning Mr Farage.
Seems to me that those are the facts.
Game over, not enough points scored for another go.
Didn't a large number of the ERGist and Moggist fundamentalists of tory government vote against Theresa Mays WA, only for some of them to change their minds and then vote for it?
much the same as your response.
Piha said:
I believe that immigration and refugee laws in Germany are different.
Does your link and subsequent 3 year citizenship/marriage claim apply to both refugees and non refugee immigrants in Germany?
It doesn’t differentiate as I read it.Does your link and subsequent 3 year citizenship/marriage claim apply to both refugees and non refugee immigrants in Germany?
the text said:
German Citizenship by Marriage
People who qualify for naturalization are not only those who have had permanent residence in Germany for a specified period of time. If you marry a German citizen you can also get citizenship by applying for naturalization.
Foreign nationals who are already married to a German national must still meet all naturalization requirements and pass the test. However, they should also meet the marriage requirements. This means that the foreign national spouse cannot apply for naturalization unless, the couple has been married for at least two years and have lived in Germany for at least three years.
The issue is, there is a lot of work to do to qualify what each person stares in these debates. Something I have no time to do in detail today, but just raising the need for those that maybe should be before claiming the debate is won.People who qualify for naturalization are not only those who have had permanent residence in Germany for a specified period of time. If you marry a German citizen you can also get citizenship by applying for naturalization.
Foreign nationals who are already married to a German national must still meet all naturalization requirements and pass the test. However, they should also meet the marriage requirements. This means that the foreign national spouse cannot apply for naturalization unless, the couple has been married for at least two years and have lived in Germany for at least three years.
Each will maximise their version of the facts to win the point. The point I am making is that we have to do a lot more before simply deciding the winner, and the accuracy of their reasoning.
Piha said:
Although not as depressing as Germany's economy, and definitely not as depressing as the Italian's "perma-recession" 
Still, better shackle ourselves to these poorly performing economies in the name of the economy, eh?
crankedup said:
Facts are facts. Last line is less fact more of a gloat (sorry about that).
It is not a fact that a failure of the Conservative or Labour party to leave the EU, if that indeed happens, will lead to their extinction.It is not a fact that St Farage will form a government.
Piha said:
how about i use the same approach as you above and use some whataboutery to respond to this. goldman sachs, another paragon of virtue that are up to their neck in the mess that is the eu now. no worries as they got more than their pound of flesh due to that involvement. that's how it works when discussing things with you yes? ignore the ball entirely and attack the man.Squiddly Diddly said:
crankedup said:
Facts are facts. Last line is less fact more of a gloat (sorry about that).
It is not a fact that a failure of the Conservative or Labour party to leave the EU, if that indeed happens, will lead to their extinction.It is not a fact that St Farage will form a government.
Both major parties are on very shaky ground and could face extinction in the event that brexit is not delivered, a fairer more reasonable statement perhaps.
It’s unknown at the moment as to wether the Brexit Party will form. Government, early days. Incidentally, I didn’t state that the Brexit Party are to form a Government!! that is a figment of your imagination. I certainly hope that the Brexit Party will cause much more inward looking by the established Partys and much needed new thinking and refreshment takes place.
How do you see the political storm panning out?
Edited by crankedup on Friday 26th April 11:33
Edited by crankedup on Friday 26th April 11:36
crankedup said:
Fair play, it is not a fact that Labour or Tory will face extinction in the event that they fail to deliver brexit.
Both major parties are on very shaky ground and could face extinction in the event that brexit is not delivered, a fairer more reasonable statement perhaps.
It’s unknown at the moment as to wether the Brexit Party will form. Government, early days.
How do you see the political storm panning out?
The Green party will be in power so they can save the planet and the future of the human race.Both major parties are on very shaky ground and could face extinction in the event that brexit is not delivered, a fairer more reasonable statement perhaps.
It’s unknown at the moment as to wether the Brexit Party will form. Government, early days.
How do you see the political storm panning out?
Squiddly Diddly said:
The Green party will be in power so they can save the planet and the future of the human race.
Well I guess that’ll save us worrying about the economy as we huddle to keep warm in the cave. And any trade deals we might need with nations such as China where both their and our products will be irrelevant to each totally different citizens permitted way of life.SeeFive said:
Well I guess that’ll save us worrying about the economy as we huddle to keep warm in the cave. And any trade deals we might need with nations such as China where both their and our products will be irrelevant to each totally different citizens permitted way of life.
I have a spare duvet you are welcome to borrow.It will be interesting to see how the vote breaks down at the local and EU elections.
Brexit Party/UKIP is a proxy for a hard/WTO/no deal Brexit
Tory/Labour a proxy for a soft Brexit
Liberal/TIG/SNP/Green a vote for remain.
Maybe we will get a useful update as to where public opinion really stands.
Brexit Party/UKIP is a proxy for a hard/WTO/no deal Brexit
Tory/Labour a proxy for a soft Brexit
Liberal/TIG/SNP/Green a vote for remain.
Maybe we will get a useful update as to where public opinion really stands.
Squiddly Diddly said:
crankedup said:
Fair play, it is not a fact that Labour or Tory will face extinction in the event that they fail to deliver brexit.
Both major parties are on very shaky ground and could face extinction in the event that brexit is not delivered, a fairer more reasonable statement perhaps.
It’s unknown at the moment as to wether the Brexit Party will form. Government, early days.
How do you see the political storm panning out?
The Green party will be in power so they can save the planet and the future of the human race.Both major parties are on very shaky ground and could face extinction in the event that brexit is not delivered, a fairer more reasonable statement perhaps.
It’s unknown at the moment as to wether the Brexit Party will form. Government, early days.
How do you see the political storm panning out?
Do you have the confidence that America and China will bow to the policies required?
How do you envisage the emerging economies adopting ‘green policies’?
After all the U.K. is a ‘little England’ according to the remain camp, it’s seems unlikely that the Greens will achieve much at all on there own, even if they are able to grow and win a GE.
Saving the planet is a worthy cause but ‘little Englanders’ can’t do it alone.
Squiddly Diddly said:
SeeFive said:
Well I guess that’ll save us worrying about the economy as we huddle to keep warm in the cave. And any trade deals we might need with nations such as China where both their and our products will be irrelevant to each totally different citizens permitted way of life.
I have a spare duvet you are welcome to borrow.
Piha said:
No, no it isn't. It's whataboutism that flies in the face of what is currently happening. Snippets like "UK productivity has lagged Germany and the US for the last decade" are particularly hilarious as that's the period during which we were EU members willingly following the European model. The article has no actual substance and just repeats empty claims and guesses as though they're informing us of something new.Piha said:
The questions asked by Guido need to be ignored as the supplier of the questions has an obvious bias. A fool can see this.
If Guido tells you your house is on fire, you can certainly choose to double check, but I'd suggest ignoring the information might have certain risks.As your own bias is front and centre in every post, I shall follow your advice and discount every last word you say as nonsense. As you say, "A fool can see this".
gooner1 said:
Squiddly Diddly said:
It is not a fact that a failure of the Conservative or Labour party to leave the EU, if that indeed happens, will lead to their extinction.
It is not a fact that St Farage will form a government.
All possibilities though.It is not a fact that St Farage will form a government.
And since when has two been " a lot"?
crankedup said:
What time scale do you consider achievable for that ambition to be realised ?
Do you have the confidence that America and China will bow to the policies required?
How do you envisage the emerging economies adopting ‘green policies’?
After all the U.K. is a ‘little England’ according to the remain camp, it’s seems unlikely that the Greens will achieve much at all on there own, even if they are able to grow and win a GE.
Saving the planet is a worthy cause but ‘little Englanders’ can’t do it alone.
Mere technicalities, we don't need to worry about that. Someone will sort it.Do you have the confidence that America and China will bow to the policies required?
How do you envisage the emerging economies adopting ‘green policies’?
After all the U.K. is a ‘little England’ according to the remain camp, it’s seems unlikely that the Greens will achieve much at all on there own, even if they are able to grow and win a GE.
Saving the planet is a worthy cause but ‘little Englanders’ can’t do it alone.
Just put your X in the box.
Squiddly Diddly said:
crankedup said:
What time scale do you consider achievable for that ambition to be realised ?
Do you have the confidence that America and China will bow to the policies required?
How do you envisage the emerging economies adopting ‘green policies’?
After all the U.K. is a ‘little England’ according to the remain camp, it’s seems unlikely that the Greens will achieve much at all on there own, even if they are able to grow and win a GE.
Saving the planet is a worthy cause but ‘little Englanders’ can’t do it alone.
Mere technicalities, we don't need to worry about that. Someone will sort it.Do you have the confidence that America and China will bow to the policies required?
How do you envisage the emerging economies adopting ‘green policies’?
After all the U.K. is a ‘little England’ according to the remain camp, it’s seems unlikely that the Greens will achieve much at all on there own, even if they are able to grow and win a GE.
Saving the planet is a worthy cause but ‘little Englanders’ can’t do it alone.
Just put your X in the box.
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