Nigel Farage Launches New Brexit Party.

Nigel Farage Launches New Brexit Party.

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DeepEnd

70 posts

7 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Piha said:
alfie2244 said:
Piha said:
steveT350C said:
Although questions are being raised about the alleged membership numbers.

https://bylinetimes.com/2019/05/14/brexit-party-do...
Who the hell is Byline Times?

Nonetheless:

"UPDATE – THE BREXIT PARTY RESPONDS

The Brexit Party could not be more conscious of compliance issues, particularly around donations. Our system is clearly and specifically designed for grassroots activists and supporters. The vast majority of our funding comes from ordinary individuals who give small sums.

We hope Byline is expending as much time and energy investigating theoretical flaws in the operating systems of other political parties, and look forward to seeing the results of these inquiries.

Any actual evidence of anyone using our system to deliberately commit fraud will be dealt with swiftly and appropriately. For the time being, your investigation exposes nothing more than your bewilderment at the scale of voter support for the Brexit Party – and your determination to present it in the worst possible light."
From their response, it's quite clear that TBP don't deny the allegations.
Interesting. Odd that they request no details at all. Plausible deniability?

“...vast majority from ordinary individuals who give small sums....”

banks.aaron@paypal.com £500
bankio.aaroni@paypal.com £500
banksy.aarony@paypal.com £500

It’s not like this lot have form, is it? smile

Robertj21a

5,900 posts

46 months

Wednesday 15th May
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And then she said:
...so if the Brexit Party gains less than 50% of the vote, Brexit is off?
You appear to have failed to include all the leavers who don't want to vote for Farage.

You wouldn't like us to think that all those clever Remainers are thick would you ?

rolleyes


alfie2244

10,028 posts

129 months

Wednesday 15th May
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DeepEnd said:
Interesting. Odd that they request no details at all. Plausible deniability?

“...vast majority from ordinary individuals who give small sums....”

banks.aaron@paypal.com £500
bankio.aaroni@paypal.com £500
banksy.aarony@paypal.com £500

It’s not like this lot have form, is it? smile
Welcome back.

Robertj21a

5,900 posts

46 months

Wednesday 15th May
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alfie2244 said:
DeepEnd said:
Interesting. Odd that they request no details at all. Plausible deniability?

“...vast majority from ordinary individuals who give small sums....”

banks.aaron@paypal.com £500
bankio.aaroni@paypal.com £500
banksy.aarony@paypal.com £500

It’s not like this lot have form, is it? smile
Welcome back.
I've lost track of who he was last time around.

Cohen123

66 posts

1 month

Wednesday 15th May
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https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1128725218...


'Remain campaigners have just blocked the road to stop the public from attending a Brexit Party rally in Merthyr Tydfil.

This attempt to stop democracy from taking place is a total disgrace.

We would never behave like that.'

Exactly how desperate are the Remainers now?


Can you just imagine the BBC's reaction if it was the other way round?

Edited by Cohen123 on Wednesday 15th May 19:50


Edited by Cohen123 on Wednesday 15th May 19:52

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Lentilist

342 posts

16 months

Wednesday 15th May
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crankedup said:
Lentilist said:
crankedup said:
We do know what the Brexit Party are about though, achieving as many seats as possible to sit in the EU Parliament. This in turn will assist apply pressure to the established Party’s in the U.K. They will have to respond to the new threat posed by the Brexit Party, that threat is that they are to develop into mainstream and seek election to the U.K. Parliament.
Seems they are off to a good start with their membership growing rapidly.
They do not as yet actually have a membership, as those who have donated are only currently registered supporters, which confers precisely zero rights to vote on how the party is run. As it stands, Farage has near enough absolute power over the party and its policies. Now, that might seem fair enough, given the current single issue nature of things, but it's odd to hear people who dislike the EU because of a perceived lack of democracy so enthusiastic about an operation that currently has none.
New Party, needs a little longer for the letterheads to dry.
Nothing odd, Brexit Party is offering to apply pressure to our established bunch of clowns to ‘assist’ them to sign up to a WA agreement.
Paying supporters soon to be members, what’s not to like.
From a governance point of view, I'd say there's a great deal not to like.

No clear system for determining policy
Party mechanisms effectively controlled by a single individual
No published roadmap for rollout of actual membership structure
No means of holding party to account over current promises
No means to challenge party if it does something else instead

These were all valid criticisms of TIG/CHUK and apply here as well. People are free to support them, not questioning that, just find it odd that people can be supporting a party on the basis of "taking back control", but do not seem to have any concerns regarding the very same lack of control over The Brexit Party as it currently stands.

JuanCarlosFandango

1,127 posts

12 months

Wednesday 15th May
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bhstewie said:
I'm criticising based on having listened to him on LBC most evenings and weekends for at least the last year rather than off the back of 15 minutes on the Andrew Marr show.

That said I've just watched the interview with Marr and from my perspective it's pretty much what I expected.

There's no substance there at all and you can see him get rattled when the going gets even slightly tough.

Snake oil leaps to mind.
What exactly do you mean by substance?

To my mind, every election I can remember has been fought over what I would consider far less substantive issues than Brexit.

I know health, transport, employment etc are all things which impact daily lives, but they are all simply a matter of tax and spend and a choice between more or less. Even the privatisation of the 80s and 90s were more a case of fiddling at the margins than a fundamental shift. The government would still guarantee the trains ran and the phones worked. They just outsourced some of the risk and reward.

Farage seems keen to engage on sovereignty and identity, and discuss where we are going as a country. It might not be a formed policy costed to the penny but it is substantive, and it is important. It seems the public agree.


Piha

1,324 posts

33 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Cohen123 said:
https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1128725218...


'Remain campaigners have just blocked the road to stop the public from attending a Brexit Party rally in Merthyr Tydfil.

This attempt to stop democracy from taking place is a total disgrace.

We would never behave like that.'


Can you just imagine the BBC's reaction if it was the other way round?

Edited by Cohen123 on Wednesday 15th May 19:50
Delicious response from our "Methyr Rising" Brothers on faarages twitter feed.

don'tbesilly

7,364 posts

104 months

Wednesday 15th May
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christian-ohtc3 said:
Looks like the Liberal Democrat support is about to take a nosedive, I wonder if Farage encouraged Guy to pop over.

https://www.euronews.com/2019/05/10/guy-verhofstad...
Verhofstadt will be knocking on doors in an affluent area of North London to tell people that Brexit should be cancelled - alongside Vince Cable and his Liberal Democrat MEP candidates.

I'm sure he'll be welcomed with open arms, it's Remain Central laugh

FiF

34,863 posts

192 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Vanden Saab said:
digimeistter said:
Cohen123 said:
digimeistter said:
I myself might fashion a broach*, if it goes as expected biggrin
  • Brooch /obsessive pedant here/ biggrin
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It could be a broach if so minded to insert something with sharp edges into various yet to be determined orifices. Twisted pedant here.

DeepEnd

70 posts

7 months

Wednesday 15th May
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alfie2244 said:
DeepEnd said:
Interesting. Odd that they request no details at all. Plausible deniability?

“...vast majority from ordinary individuals who give small sums....”

banks.aaron@paypal.com £500
bankio.aaroni@paypal.com £500
banksy.aarony@paypal.com £500

It’s not like this lot have form, is it? smile
Welcome back.
?

Because I’ve not posted for a few days?

Is there a rule you have to post everyday?

JuanCarlosFandango

1,127 posts

12 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Cohen123 said:
https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1128725218...


'Remain campaigners have just blocked the road to stop the public from attending a Brexit Party rally in Merthyr Tydfil.

This attempt to stop democracy from taking place is a total disgrace.

We would never behave like that.'

Exactly how desperate are the Remainers now?


Can you just imagine the BBC's reaction if it was the other way round?
Brexit is very divisive. People feel strongly on both sides. Direct action is part of a healthy public discourse. Etc etc.

bitchstewie

19,967 posts

151 months

Wednesday 15th May
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JuanCarlosFandango said:
What exactly do you mean by substance?

To my mind, every election I can remember has been fought over what I would consider far less substantive issues than Brexit.

I know health, transport, employment etc are all things which impact daily lives, but they are all simply a matter of tax and spend and a choice between more or less. Even the privatisation of the 80s and 90s were more a case of fiddling at the margins than a fundamental shift. The government would still guarantee the trains ran and the phones worked. They just outsourced some of the risk and reward.

Farage seems keen to engage on sovereignty and identity, and discuss where we are going as a country. It might not be a formed policy costed to the penny but it is substantive, and it is important. It seems the public agree.
I mean substance.

Sovereignty and Identity are feelings not policies.

I've listened to 15 minutes of him with Marr and I have zero idea what a vote for the Brexit Party gets me in terms of representation.

Anyone can be angry and slag off politicians but if you want my vote I want to know what you're going to do for it, which doesn't seem an unreasonable thing to ask yet Nigel seems to get rather rattled by it.

The website doesn't tell me, Farage won't tell me.

If the only policy they have is "WTO" then fine, but they're going to be making quite a decent living off the MEP's salary so at least be honest about it.

The other parties are hopeless and I have to give him some credit for how he's exploited that fact, but when you take a good hard look at the bloke there's literally nothing there that strikes me as any different to the rest of them.

It's quite bizarre.

And then she

4,285 posts

66 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Robertj21a said:
And then she said:
...so if the Brexit Party gains less than 50% of the vote, Brexit is off?
You appear to have failed to include all the leavers who don't want to vote for Farage.

You wouldn't like us to think that all those clever Remainers are thick would you ?

rolleyes
Clearly irreverence is lost on you.

Vanden Saab

2,242 posts

15 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Cohen123 said:
https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1128725218...


'Remain campaigners have just blocked the road to stop the public from attending a Brexit Party rally in Merthyr Tydfil.

This attempt to stop democracy from taking place is a total disgrace.

We would never behave like that.'

Exactly how desperate are the Remainers now?


Can you just imagine the BBC's reaction if it was the other way round?

Edited by Cohen123 on Wednesday 15th May 19:50


Edited by Cohen123 on Wednesday 15th May 19:52
Oh come on... If Brexiteers blocked the roads to any of the other parties EU election rallies no one would notice...

Piha

1,324 posts

33 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Cohen123 said:
https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1128725218...


'Remain campaigners have just blocked the road to stop the public from attending a Brexit Party rally in Merthyr Tydfil.

This attempt to stop democracy from taking place is a total disgrace.

We would never behave like that.'

Exactly how desperate are the Remainers now?


Can you just imagine the BBC's reaction if it was the other way round?

Edited by Cohen123 on Wednesday 15th May 19:50


Edited by Cohen123 on Wednesday 15th May 19:52
St Nige wasn't very vocal when his mob were doing the blocking.

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/transport/m1-...

digimeistter

3,957 posts

150 months

Wednesday 15th May
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And then she said:
Robertj21a said:
And then she said:
...so if the Brexit Party gains less than 50% of the vote, Brexit is off?
You appear to have failed to include all the leavers who don't want to vote for Farage.

You wouldn't like us to think that all those clever Remainers are thick would you ?

rolleyes
Clearly irreverence is lost on you.
Clearly you don't understand party politics and.. dare I say it, Democracy at work. smile

JuanCarlosFandango

1,127 posts

12 months

Wednesday 15th May
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bhstewie said:
I mean substance.

Sovereignty and Identity are feelings not policies.

I've listened to 15 minutes of him with Marr and I have zero idea what a vote for the Brexit Party gets me in terms of representation.

Anyone can be angry and slag off politicians but if you want my vote I want to know what you're going to do for it, which doesn't seem an unreasonable thing to ask yet Nigel seems to get rather rattled by it.

The website doesn't tell me, Farage won't tell me.

If the only policy they have is "WTO" then fine, but they're going to be making quite a decent living off the MEP's salary so at least be honest about it.

The other parties are hopeless and I have to give him some credit for how he's exploited that fact, but when you take a good hard look at the bloke there's literally nothing there that strikes me as any different to the rest of them.

It's quite bizarre.
So which party does have substance for this election?

wc98

8,406 posts

81 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Mark Benson said:
My problem is that I rarely find anyone worth voting for, in any party.
I despise the rise of the professional politician - get a PPE or law degree, graduate into working for a party, become an MP, become junior minister for something you have no understanding or experience of, then if you manage to please the leadership become minister for something you have no understanding or experience of.
Result: Politicians with no empathy or understanding of the people they think they represent.
Outcome: A large number of people jump at the chance to vote for someone more like themselves.

I have no liking for Farage, but what he's doing with the Brexit party - bringing in people from outside of politics to stand as candidates is the antidote to the above. The only thing stopping more people voting for them I suspect is Farage himself.
i think all of that is spot on. if the brexit party have any sense farage will only have a minor official role if they really want to gain any traction come a general election.

SeeFive

7,052 posts

174 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Piha said:
Cohen123 said:
https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1128725218...


'Remain campaigners have just blocked the road to stop the public from attending a Brexit Party rally in Merthyr Tydfil.

This attempt to stop democracy from taking place is a total disgrace.

We would never behave like that.'

Exactly how desperate are the Remainers now?


Can you just imagine the BBC's reaction if it was the other way round?

Edited by Cohen123 on Wednesday 15th May 19:50


Edited by Cohen123 on Wednesday 15th May 19:52
St Nige wasn't very vocal when his mob were doing the blocking.

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/transport/m1-...
Yeah I remember. That direct action was reported all over the MSM. Just trying to find the similar reports for the action in Merthyr frankly without much success.

Perhaps Farage is lying to cover up a lower turnout than originally stated... did he suggest a million would attend, but 700,000 got stuck in traffic?
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