Nigel Farage Launches New Brexit Party.

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Not-The-Messiah said:

Johnnytheboy said:

Not-The-Messiah said:

longblackcoat said:

Vanden Saab said:

It will be interesting to see how the group coalesce after the EU elections.

Absolutely.

They're all totally agreed on what they don't want, but that's the easy bit. Let's see if they can all agree on what they do want.

Farage as already said it's a totally hate free party. Which basically means they will be just like every party in power now, never asking the hard questions and making the difficult decisions. Just a bunch of political correct saps.

So a truly fresh party needs at least some hate?

It's all down to what you think hate is or more precisely what the media thinks it is.

Telling a man that they never can become a biological women is hateful to some but it's true. Having concerns about the Islamic ideology is also seen as hateful but we've got highly organised teams killing hundreds in its name and so on and so on.

We've got to a point where society is like a spoilt kid and telling them "no you can't have that" results in a tantrum and ends up in name calling "your nasty you, you just hate everyone".

Except that Anne's strictly Roman Catholic driven views on homosexuals, and even women in her own church, is viewed as quite "hateful" in a society that values those individuals. As she has no reasoned logic to hold those views, only that it is scripture and RC tenets that dictate she has holds those views. To me, someone that cannot form their own opinion and is instead beholden to an opinion only because of their chosen faith, is not fit for office.

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pgh said:

Given that all religion has to be taken on faith, is your argument simply that you don't want religious people to hold positions of power?

Not all religious people are as religious as each other and will be influenced to very different amounts by their scriptures and religious teachings. They may also interpret religious teachings very differently.

A religious PM who thinks it’s ok to be gay is great, a religious PM who thinks gay people are going to hell might not be so electable.

It also depends on whether they are influenced by these religions and their teachings in how they vote in the house.

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pgh said:

djstevec said:

Except that Anne's strictly Roman Catholic driven views on homosexuals, and even women in her own church, is viewed as quite "hateful" in a society that values those individuals. As she has no reasoned logic to hold those views, only that it is scripture and RC tenets that dictate she has holds those views. To me, someone that cannot form their own opinion and is instead beholden to an opinion only because of their chosen faith, is not fit for office.

Given that all religion has to be taken on faith, is your argument simply that you don't want religious people to hold positions of power?

If that person merely projects their own personally held view, which in turn, is only held because they personally deem is it has to be held due to their personally held religious belief, then yes, they should no be in a position/power to affect other peoples lives.

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El stovey said:

JagLover said:

It needs to confront reality not the delusions the liberal elite prefer to believe. This however is different to hate and there is a balance to be struck, in particular in the use of language and those you associate with.

UKIP have got that balance wrong, the Brexit party represents a chance to start again.

The problem is that these parties that are protest parties for people upset with the world always attract the angry hatey types.

These parties need the support of these people but don’t actually like them or want to be associated with them, it’s a difficult situation for Farage. Again.

Any new (no hate this time) brexit party will simply become like UKIP is now given a few months.

Disagree, among the Brexit Party and focusing purely on them being now associated imaged with hate and anger misses the point by. country mile. Brexit Party has one aim, to apply whatever pressure possible with the purpose of levering through what the electorate of the U.K. voted for. Pressure applied to the EU and U.K. Parliaments will help to focus the minds toward delivering on the promise. For those that have hate and anger there are no doubt other political vehicles available for such negativity, to many middle market ‘normal’ electorate are signing up to Brexit Party for it to develop into a far right nasty party.

[JagLover]

crankedup said:

Disagree, among the Brexit Party and focusing purely on them being now associated imaged with hate and anger misses the point by. country mile. Brexit Party has one aim, to apply whatever pressure possible with the purpose of levering through what the electorate of the U.K. voted for. Pressure applied to the EU and U.K. Parliaments will help to focus the minds toward delivering on the promise. For those that have hate and anger there are no doubt other political vehicles available for such negativity, to many middle market ‘normal’ electorate are signing up to Brexit Party for it to develop into a far right nasty party.

Given that the Conservatives are self destructing longer term the Brexit party might become about more than a single issue.

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crankedup said:

....to(sic) many middle market ‘normal’ electorate are signing up to Brexit Party for it to develop into a far right nasty party.

Except that every party has it's own outliers on both ends of the spectrum that allow persons from the other side to lay "far right Nazi" or "loony left Commie" accusations. When person of previous political campaigns become involved, their own histories will determine the potential future merely by association, if not by policy

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JagLover said:

crankedup said:

Disagree, among the Brexit Party and focusing purely on them being now associated imaged with hate and anger misses the point by. country mile. Brexit Party has one aim, to apply whatever pressure possible with the purpose of levering through what the electorate of the U.K. voted for. Pressure applied to the EU and U.K. Parliaments will help to focus the minds toward delivering on the promise. For those that have hate and anger there are no doubt other political vehicles available for such negativity, to many middle market ‘normal’ electorate are signing up to Brexit Party for it to develop into a far right nasty party.

Given that the Conservatives are self destructing longer term the Brexit party might become about more than a single issue.

Perfectly possible, the Country needs a fresh political base and outlook. Young and young minded political candidates I’m sure would welcome the chance to help establish the Brexit Party into a mainstream contender of political power. Would need to change its name though!

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djstevec said:

crankedup said:

....to(sic) many middle market ‘normal’ electorate are signing up to Brexit Party for it to develop into a far right nasty party.

Except that every party has it's own outliers on both ends of the spectrum that allow persons from the other side to lay "far right Nazi" or "loony left Commie" accusations. When person of previous political campaigns become involved, their own histories will determine the potential future merely by association, if not by policy

Yes that is true, any serious political party must ensure that extreme political views from individuals within any Party are disiplined and/or expelled.
Historical associations to a Party,or just that
, and a good reason to form a new Party with a new name. However, that is not good enough if the new Party is headed up with the ‘front bench’ politicians that are smeared by history. Much work is required that will be demanded by an electorate that is now fully aware of disloyalty and dishonesty is transparent within established Party’s.imo.

[smn159]

crankedup said:

JagLover said:

crankedup said:

Disagree, among the Brexit Party and focusing purely on them being now associated imaged with hate and anger misses the point by. country mile. Brexit Party has one aim, to apply whatever pressure possible with the purpose of levering through what the electorate of the U.K. voted for. Pressure applied to the EU and U.K. Parliaments will help to focus the minds toward delivering on the promise. For those that have hate and anger there are no doubt other political vehicles available for such negativity, to many middle market ‘normal’ electorate are signing up to Brexit Party for it to develop into a far right nasty party.

Given that the Conservatives are self destructing longer term the Brexit party might become about more than a single issue.

Perfectly possible, the Country needs a fresh political base and outlook. Young and young minded political candidates I’m sure would welcome the chance to help establish the Brexit Party into a mainstream contender of political power. Would need to change its name though!

This country needs less ill informed populism rather than more, so it's a no from me

[Not-The-Messiah]

crankedup said:

Perfectly possible, the Country needs a fresh political base and outlook. Young and young minded political candidates I’m sure would welcome the chance to help establish the Brexit Party into a mainstream contender of political power. Would need to change its name though!

And this is the biggest problem for me with the brexit party. It's purely a protest vote a one issue party. Farage as clearly shown he as no interest in the hard work of actually pushing a party forward beyond brexit.

Just look at how he did a runner after the vote from ukip. And then just disowned them when they got accused of the same things he's been accused of throughout his entire career.

To me it's gone beyond brexit now the way the political elites have behave we need a full on change. But the Brexit party is just full of the same sorts of career politician spouting the same sounds bites.

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Not-The-Messiah said:

The Brexit party and Change UK both full of ex MPs, MEPs establishment figures. Both claiming to be an alternate choice.

If you fall for it you are gullible fool.

"I'm going to stick it to the man"
"How"
"By voting for the man, the exact sort of people who are or have been in power"

that is one thing the brexit party need to be careful about. some people already a part of the current establishment is not too much of a problem. too many and they will be seen as same st different day.

[Graemsay]

steveT350C said:

Ann Widdecombe joins Brexit Party

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8925627/ann-widdecom...

https://youtu.be/PhfbYtbpNxY

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El stovey said:

JagLover said:

It needs to confront reality not the delusions the liberal elite prefer to believe. This however is different to hate and there is a balance to be struck, in particular in the use of language and those you associate with.

UKIP have got that balance wrong, the Brexit party represents a chance to start again.

The problem is that these parties that are protest parties for people upset with the world always attract the angry hatey types.

These parties need the support of these people but don’t actually like them or want to be associated with them, it’s a difficult situation for Farage. Again.

Any new (no hate this time) brexit party will simply become like UKIP is now given a few months.

They aren't like that though, have you not been following who the candidates are?

TX.

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pgh said:

djstevec said:

Except that Anne's strictly Roman Catholic driven views on homosexuals, and even women in her own church, is viewed as quite "hateful" in a society that values those individuals. As she has no reasoned logic to hold those views, only that it is scripture and RC tenets that dictate she has holds those views. To me, someone that cannot form their own opinion and is instead beholden to an opinion only because of their chosen faith, is not fit for office.

Given that all religion has to be taken on faith, is your argument simply that you don't want religious people to hold positions of power?

With a view like that only 16% of the population would be eligible!



TX.

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JagLover said:

crankedup said:

Disagree, among the Brexit Party and focusing purely on them being now associated imaged with hate and anger misses the point by. country mile. Brexit Party has one aim, to apply whatever pressure possible with the purpose of levering through what the electorate of the U.K. voted for. Pressure applied to the EU and U.K. Parliaments will help to focus the minds toward delivering on the promise. For those that have hate and anger there are no doubt other political vehicles available for such negativity, to many middle market ‘normal’ electorate are signing up to Brexit Party for it to develop into a far right nasty party.

Given that the Conservatives are self destructing longer term the Brexit party might become about more than a single issue.

Agreed. Look at their candidates, all "regular Joes" which imho will appeal to the masses vs "career politicians" totally removed from the voting majority it seems.

TX.

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smn159 said:

crankedup said:

JagLover said:

crankedup said:

Disagree, among the Brexit Party and focusing purely on them being now associated imaged with hate and anger misses the point by. country mile. Brexit Party has one aim, to apply whatever pressure possible with the purpose of levering through what the electorate of the U.K. voted for. Pressure applied to the EU and U.K. Parliaments will help to focus the minds toward delivering on the promise. For those that have hate and anger there are no doubt other political vehicles available for such negativity, to many middle market ‘normal’ electorate are signing up to Brexit Party for it to develop into a far right nasty party.

Given that the Conservatives are self destructing longer term the Brexit party might become about more than a single issue.

Perfectly possible, the Country needs a fresh political base and outlook. Young and young minded political candidates I’m sure would welcome the chance to help establish the Brexit Party into a mainstream contender of political power. Would need to change its name though!

This country needs less ill informed populism rather than more, so it's a no from me

All political parties are born from populism, not to be confused with extremism.

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alfie2244 said:

And then she said:

alfie2244 said:

steveT350C said:

Ann Widdecombe joins Brexit Party

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8925627/ann-widdecom...

I did not see that coming..I love Ann and think should be a great health minister

Obvious troll is obvious troll.

From the person that posts stuff like this

And then she said:

Spot the difference:

Oh dear, did I hit a raw nerve?

[alfie2244]

And then she said:

Oh dear, did I hit a raw nerve?

Ah bless................Brexit party couldn't have a better recruiting sergeant...keep up the good work

[Blue62]

PositronicRay said:

She's a name, and a bloody well known one too. If you're passionate about breaking ties with the EU, and wish to register your voice. She's a credible candidate in the up and coming MEP elections.

I don't disagree with that Ray, but my point was that I don't think she will attract new voters to the Brexit Party, though I guess she could tip a few anti EU Tories over.

[And then she]

alfie2244 said:

And then she said:

Oh dear, did I hit a raw nerve?

Ah bless................Brexit party couldn't have a better recruiting sergeant...keep up the good work

Ah bless, do you still think Brexit is going to happen in any meaningful way?

The naivety of youth age.