Nigel Farage Launches New Brexit Party.

[Blue62]

Vanden Saab said:

So far it seems they are being very clever with their candidates choosing people from all sides and the middle who all appeal to different sections of the electorate with more than a sprinkling of ordinary people. We will see, the full list will not be out until tomorrow AIUI. Meanwhile the change ltd. .org .uk tippers party or whatever their name is today seem to only be choosing ex-MPs and journalists and have seen two of their chosen candidates resign in the last 24 hours due to 'problems'
Lets hope that remainers can hold their noses and still vote for them following the revelations that their new party has chosen racist and sexist candidates...

There's the thing though, those who want to remain will be torn between a number of parties and if Labour come off the fence it will make the water even more muddy, so drawing firm conclusions from the EU elections will be difficult unless there's an absolute landslide for the BP. Be interesting but I personally think Change UK will just be more of the same, while BP risk being another UKIP once the election is over and forgotten. One thing I will hang my hat on is that whatever happens, not much will change in British politics, we will step back from the cliff edge as we always have done I suspect.

[Stuart70]

Lotobear said:

I don't like AW or JRM's religious dogma but in their defence they don't try to hide it and what you see is what you get 'warts and all'. They must know it will alienate them to a lot of the electorate and even bring on the hate and vitriol on PH!

Contrast that with I'm a regular guy, just call me 'Tony', slipping quietly into the catholic church and being all things to all men. He probably hates poofs and abortions as well but we never hear any of it!

I find your last sentence unpleasant and offensive in its tone. It is all the worse because I thought your first paragraph was well put. Ah well, snowflake that I am...

[Lotobear]

Oh Jesus, I can feel a mods report coming on!

For Christ sake I was being ironic contrasting AW and JRM's expressed displeasure of homosexuals with Blair's opacity onthe same (member of the same religious religious sect).

I was not expressing a personal view - many of my friends are homesexual!

I must remember not to use irony on these boards lest it offends the serially offended

[smn159]

Stuart70 said:

Lotobear said:

I don't like AW or JRM's religious dogma but in their defence they don't try to hide it and what you see is what you get 'warts and all'. They must know it will alienate them to a lot of the electorate and even bring on the hate and vitriol on PH!

Contrast that with I'm a regular guy, just call me 'Tony', slipping quietly into the catholic church and being all things to all men. He probably hates poofs and abortions as well but we never hear any of it!

I find your last sentence unpleasant and offensive in its tone.

So do I

[Derek Smith]

psi310398 said:

If the objection is to Catholic MPs, you could always lobby to repeal the Roman Catholic Relief Act of 1829...

But I'm not quite sure why it is necessary to eradicate the expression of views that run counter to your own. I have no truck at all with Papism and I'm fairly sure I could not bring myself to vote for a practising Catholic who would vote according to doctrine but AW has never to my knowledge been shy about expressing her views and, as she put herself up for election, and was returned repeatedly by her constituents who had a choice of candidates to vote for, they presumably didn't share my views. Well, that's democracy.

I can't really see what the problem is.

Or is it part of the Remainer trope that ordinary people are too thick to know what's good for them?

It seems odd that you cannot see why I think the woman is odious. I won't repeat all my points as I think I was clear enough for anyone with an open mind, but it was not merely that she is a western catholic. The fact that she is open about her repressive views is hardly vindication of the woman.

If you can't see what's wrong with a woman who gets her beliefs from the boss of a big international corporation then I can see your problem.

Clever use of remainer there. If logic fails to refute a point, go for calling the person a remainer.

[Lindun]

psi310398 said:

I'm not quite sure how you'd offset his resumption of the Crusades against the Civil Partnership Act but I think the pointless slaughter of tens of thousands of people to impose his and Dubya's values on the benighted weighs somewhat heavier.

I thought that would make him some kind of deity to many on here.

[Derek Smith]

Down and out said:

I'm sure this last page would have been exactly the same had Widdecombe come out for remain...

I think there would be many more on PH criticising this objectionable woman.

[anonymous-user]

psi310398 said:

Roman Rhodes said:

Quite the charmer aren't you? Under Tony Blair Labour brought in the Civil Partnership Act 2004. Ann Widdecombe voted against it.

I'm not quite sure how you'd offset his resumption of the Crusades against the Civil Partnership Act but I think the pointless slaughter of tens of thousands of people to impose his and Dubya's values on the benighted weighs somewhat heavier.

A bizarre and irrelevant excuse to offload your dislike of Tony Blair. The point being debated is Ann Widdecombe’s religious dogma with regard to homosexuality amongst other things. Another poster made a comparison to Tony Blair - I simply posted a fact highlighting their differing positions.

Of course if releasing a few squirrels helps you through the day then carry on!

[crankedup]

smn159 said:

crankedup said:

Reads more like a personal vendetta against her and her principles and morality, different things have different outcomes. This individual is only one amongst a growing group, imo, it is a good thing to have a wide and varied vision of life in a political party. Certainly it is up to electorate to vote her into a position of power, or not as the situation may be.
Would you have a group of people elected on the basis that they are metronomic in thinking?

You should keep that safe somewhere for future use - after all, The Brexit Party is going to attract a whole raft of fruitcakes with axes to grind about people 'not like us'.

And no, religious dogma should have no place in political thinking.

That’s where we differ, plenty of politicians present and past have/had strong religious beliefs.
The trick is for the individual to know when and when not it is appropriate to bring those beliefs to the fore. You call it dogma, I call it strong belief.

Political Party’s have always attracted a wide variety of different personalities, your personal bias is a personality trait, picking out individuals and labelling them because presumably you disagree with thier fundamental issues which they back in deeds not words.
Genuine ‘fruitcakes’ to use your term, will be weeded out before damage is done.

[crankedup]

Roman Rhodes said:

crankedup said:

Reads more like a personal vendetta against her and her principles and morality, different things have different outcomes. This individual is only one amongst a growing group, imo, it is a good thing to have a wide and varied vision of life in a political party. Certainly it is up to electorate to vote her into a position of power, or not as the situation may be.
Would you have a group of people elected on the basis that they are metronomic in thinking?

Risible.

I don't think Derek's post could have been any clearer - she doesn't think, she follows religious dogma. That is the problem.

And did someone say the party is attracting "regular joes" with a straight face? Annunziata Rees-Mogg anyone? Clearly speaks for the common man!

Here is the problem, we disagree, and I disagree with derek, obviously. The difference is I set out in my post my pov in disagreeing whereas you seem unable to debate.

[crankedup]

Leicester Loyal said:

Looks like they are doing rather well so far.

They are doing extremely well, and this is the reason we have a bunch of ‘remainers’ in here bleating and whining. Always a good sign, show how strong the Brexit Party is growing daily.

[psi310398]

Derek Smith said:

It seems odd that you cannot see why I think the woman is odious. I won't repeat all my points as I think I was clear enough for anyone with an open mind, but it was not merely that she is a western catholic. The fact that she is open about her repressive views is hardly vindication of the woman.

If you can't see what's wrong with a woman who gets her beliefs from the boss of a big international corporation then I can see your problem.

Clever use of remainer there. If logic fails to refute a point, go for calling the person a remainer.

I find her many of her views unappealing, as I do some of Corbyn's and May's, but that's my view and I recognise and am happy that others' mileages may vary. But it is apparent that you are utterly certain that your view of the world is inherently and self-evidently superior to hers.

As the UK appears, anyway, to be being run more for the convenience of big international corporations than for that of its people, I'm not that additionally bothered that AW defers to the Pope. Although, technically, I suspect she'd claim that her beliefs came from the Pope's superior. And I'm more scared by people who think they have a personal hotline to Him.

[smn159]

I have sympathy for the view that the UK is increasingly being run for the benefit of corporations at the expense of its citizens, but I find it laughable that anyone sees a self interested charlatan like Farrage, who has made a lucrative career from peddling peoples fears, prejudices and insecurities back to them, as any sort of 'answer'.

Farrage, UKIP and The Brexit Party are part of the problem

[anonymous-user]

crankedup said:

Leicester Loyal said:

Looks like they are doing rather well so far.

They are doing extremely well, and this is the reason we have a bunch of ‘remainers’ in here bleating and whining. Always a good sign, show how strong the Brexit Party is growing daily.

The last thing a new party trying to attract more than just ex ukippers needs is retired old school bigots like her joining.

Quite frankly I doubt you think she’s good for the brexit party either.

People like her will put moderate brexiters right off your party and you will all be dismissed as another party for the angry and intolerant again. Like UKIP.

[rdjohn]

I d find it very sad the PH users resort to name calling in these exchanges.

I think the headline analysis from the Telegraph today sums up how Farage may help to resolve the current impasse.

“Michel Barnier fears Nigel Farage and his aim to destroy the EU, as Brexit Party surges in polls”

The irony is that a Farage and his 50 Brexit cronies will probably be able to form a centrist grouping in the next EU Parliament. Europe is very quickly moving to the right.

[amusingduck]

smn159 said:

Stuart70 said:

Lotobear said:

I don't like AW or JRM's religious dogma but in their defence they don't try to hide it and what you see is what you get 'warts and all'. They must know it will alienate them to a lot of the electorate and even bring on the hate and vitriol on PH!

Contrast that with I'm a regular guy, just call me 'Tony', slipping quietly into the catholic church and being all things to all men. He probably hates poofs and abortions as well but we never hear any of it!

I find your last sentence unpleasant and offensive in its tone.

So do I

[Down and out]

El stovey said:

The last thing a new party trying to attract more than just ex ukippers needs is retired old school bigots like her joining.

Quite frankly I doubt you think she’s good for the brexit party either.

People like her will put moderate brexiters right off your party and you will all be dismissed as another party for the angry and intolerant again. Like UKIP.

Good try but you're not learning.

[anonymous-user]

crankedup said:

Roman Rhodes said:

crankedup said:

Reads more like a personal vendetta against her and her principles and morality, different things have different outcomes. This individual is only one amongst a growing group, imo, it is a good thing to have a wide and varied vision of life in a political party. Certainly it is up to electorate to vote her into a position of power, or not as the situation may be.
Would you have a group of people elected on the basis that they are metronomic in thinking?

Risible.

I don't think Derek's post could have been any clearer - she doesn't think, she follows religious dogma. That is the problem.

And did someone say the party is attracting "regular joes" with a straight face? Annunziata Rees-Mogg anyone? Clearly speaks for the common man!

Here is the problem, we disagree, and I disagree with derek, obviously. The difference is I set out in my post my pov in disagreeing whereas you seem unable to debate.

Except you’re not debating, just expressing an opinion unconnected to the point that Derek clearly made. Not my problem if you don’t understand his point, it seemed very clear I thought.

[anonymous-user]

Lotobear said:

Oh Jesus, I can feel a mods report coming on!

For Christ sake I was being ironic contrasting AW and JRM's expressed displeasure of homosexuals with Blair's opacity onthe same (member of the same religious religious sect).

I was not expressing a personal view - many of my friends are homesexual!

I must remember not to use irony on these boards lest it offends the serially offended

Perhaps look up what irony means before failing to be smart?

[crankedup]

El stovey said:

crankedup said:

Leicester Loyal said:

Looks like they are doing rather well so far.

They are doing extremely well, and this is the reason we have a bunch of ‘remainers’ in here bleating and whining. Always a good sign, show how strong the Brexit Party is growing daily.

The last thing a new party trying to attract more than just ex ukippers needs is retired old school bigots like her joining.

Quite frankly I doubt you think she’s good for the brexit party either.

People like her will put moderate brexiters right off your party and you will all be dismissed as another party for the angry and intolerant again. Like UKIP.

Moderate brexiteers?
I want the Brexit Partyto be attractive to all who have an interest in building a new political party. The bonus is of course it’s main ambition is that it ensures we leave the EU rather than be contained by the EU.
Said before the Party will, just like any sensible Party, ensure it weeds out extremists. I honestly believe the Brexit Party will be the best thing to happen in U.K. Politics for generations. Needs a fresh approach.