Nigel Farage Launches New Brexit Party.
Discussion
And then she said:
Down and out said:
I'm sensing a few rattled remainers on here.
Why would remainers be rattled? Hard Brexit has been comprehensively defeated and isn't coming back. We're now faced with BRINO at worst but, hey, Brexit means Brexit, eh kids?
I remain convinced that by hook or by crook, we won't leave the EU. It's the will of the people, 2019+
Edited by crankedup on Thursday 25th April 10:37
crankedup said:
Think you will find 17.4 million voters have something to say about that, hence Brexit Party. I have always said that displeasure is best expressed via the ballot box, and that is where it will be seen. The EU Parliament is already terrified of a U.K. MEP seats dominated by Brexit minded politicians.
Why do you keep imagining 17.4 million want the same as you? People from all sorts of backgrounds voted for brexit. Only a small amount are the triggered gammons posters on here seem to represent. 17.4 million voted for brexit, it doesn’t mean we’d ever vote for a brexit party. There’s plenty of other issues I think are much more important.
I voted for brexit and wouldn’t ever vote for a one issue party especially one Farage was involved in. You frothing looneys give us moderate brexiters a bad name.
El stovey said:
Why do you keep imagining 17.4 million want the same as you? People from all sorts of backgrounds voted for brexit. Only a small amount are the triggered gammons posters on here seem to represent.
17.4 million voted for brexit, it doesn’t mean we’d ever vote for a brexit party. There’s plenty of other issues I think are much more important.
I voted for brexit and wouldn’t ever vote for a one issue party especially one Farage was involved in. You frothing looneys give us moderate brexiters a bad name.
Says "only a small amount on here" then goes on to say he won't vote for Farage (singularly).17.4 million voted for brexit, it doesn’t mean we’d ever vote for a brexit party. There’s plenty of other issues I think are much more important.
I voted for brexit and wouldn’t ever vote for a one issue party especially one Farage was involved in. You frothing looneys give us moderate brexiters a bad name.
El stovey said:
crankedup said:
Think you will find 17.4 million voters have something to say about that, hence Brexit Party. I have always said that displeasure is best expressed via the ballot box, and that is where it will be seen. The EU Parliament is already terrified of a U.K. MEP seats dominated by Brexit minded politicians.
Why do you keep imagining 17.4 million want the same as you? People from all sorts of backgrounds voted for brexit. Only a small amount are the triggered gammons posters on here seem to represent. 17.4 million voted for brexit, it doesn’t mean we’d ever vote for a brexit party. There’s plenty of other issues I think are much more important.
I voted for brexit and wouldn’t ever vote for a one issue party especially one Farage was involved in. You frothing looneys give us moderate brexiters a bad name.
It wont be the full 17.4 million but I think it will be enough of them to cause a 1997 style wipeout for the Tories.
A fundamental divide between the Tory party hierarchy and two thirds of their voters is unlikely to end well.
crankedup said:
I’ve already said that the objectives of the Party are Brexit, they will then continue to develop and build into a mainstream party.
At the risk of getting into a pointless slanging match, I'm not sure that it can or will develop beyond a single issue. In Farage you have a man who does not lead, he thrives on division and he's never put himself in a position where he either has to fulfil his promises or stand accountable. That may sound like a criticism (especially to one of his acolytes), but it's more an observation on how he operates. He is a smart and skilful man, who has made a successful career from cajoling people into action, I enjoy listening to him and understand his success, but he's no leader.El stovey said:
crankedup said:
Think you will find 17.4 million voters have something to say about that, hence Brexit Party. I have always said that displeasure is best expressed via the ballot box, and that is where it will be seen. The EU Parliament is already terrified of a U.K. MEP seats dominated by Brexit minded politicians.
Why do you keep imagining 17.4 million want the same as you? People from all sorts of backgrounds voted for brexit. Only a small amount are the triggered gammons posters on here seem to represent. 17.4 million voted for brexit, it doesn’t mean we’d ever vote for a brexit party. There’s plenty of other issues I think are much more important.
I voted for brexit and wouldn’t ever vote for a one issue party especially one Farage was involved in. You frothing looneys give us moderate brexiters a bad name.
( even more than expenses fiasco )
Just get us out of the cancer that is the EU - and Govt's can work on all the other important issues that you can dream of.
The House of Remain is the blocker.
Down and out said:
El stovey said:
Why do you keep imagining 17.4 million want the same as you? People from all sorts of backgrounds voted for brexit. Only a small amount are the triggered gammons posters on here seem to represent.
17.4 million voted for brexit, it doesn’t mean we’d ever vote for a brexit party. There’s plenty of other issues I think are much more important.
I voted for brexit and wouldn’t ever vote for a one issue party especially one Farage was involved in. You frothing looneys give us moderate brexiters a bad name.
Says "only a small amount on here" then goes on to say he won't vote for Farage (singularly).17.4 million voted for brexit, it doesn’t mean we’d ever vote for a brexit party. There’s plenty of other issues I think are much more important.
I voted for brexit and wouldn’t ever vote for a one issue party especially one Farage was involved in. You frothing looneys give us moderate brexiters a bad name.
JagLover said:
Down and out said:
I'm sensing a few rattled remainers on here.
You think 
Down and out said:
Roman Rhodes said:
So you're just posting meaningless words then - rather like the Brexit Party 'manifesto'!
Maybe explain to me your devotion to a wasteful bunch of gravy trainers in Brussels or is it Strasbourg?
Roman Rhodes said:
I can't speak for others but I'm just poking fun at Leavers desperately clinging on to Nigel's coat-tails. I'm fairly indifferent to what eventually happens as the effect on me will be minimal. To that extent I've nothing to get rattled about. Can't say that I'm seeing anything rattled coming from other posters you might describe as remainers either - but if that is your riposte to some gentle ribbing then fair enough.
17 posts out of 357 so far, says you are either unemployed with too much time on your hands or frothing about it so much you can't keep away.PositronicRay said:
monkfish1 said:
B'stard Child said:
valiant said:
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If, by some miracle, he, as you proclaim, ousts the established parties and achieves some power, what then? What’s their position on the NHS, schools, defence, etc? There’s nothing at all.
Does the Brexit party need a policy on all those things for the EU elections??If, by some miracle, he, as you proclaim, ousts the established parties and achieves some power, what then? What’s their position on the NHS, schools, defence, etc? There’s nothing at all.
I expect that once his aims are achieved, the party will be disbanded.
crankedup said:
Roman Rhodes said:
Down and out said:
Roman Rhodes said:
Examples?
Most of them. Certainly ramping up as the party gains support.So you're just posting meaningless words then - rather like the Brexit Party 'manifesto'!
The very fact is simple that even you should. e able to work it out. The Brexit Party is attracting
a huge amount of publicity via forums, National and international media.All publicity is good, so keep on posting please, even if it is your trade mark less than thoughtful prose.
Every understands, well most people, that any new venture must attract attention, are you a new venture yet to grow up perhaps?
"Are you a new venture yet to grow up perhaps?" may mean something in your mind but possibly needs translation into something meaningful. Care to try again?
El stovey said:
crankedup said:
Think you will find 17.4 million voters have something to say about that, hence Brexit Party. I have always said that displeasure is best expressed via the ballot box, and that is where it will be seen. The EU Parliament is already terrified of a U.K. MEP seats dominated by Brexit minded politicians.
Why do you keep imagining 17.4 million want the same as you? People from all sorts of backgrounds voted for brexit. Only a small amount are the triggered gammons posters on here seem to represent. 17.4 million voted for brexit, it doesn’t mean we’d ever vote for a brexit party. There’s plenty of other issues I think are much more important.
I voted for brexit and wouldn’t ever vote for a one issue party especially one Farage was involved in. You frothing looneys give us moderate brexiters a bad name.
Troubleatmill said:
All the House of Remain has to do - is just accept that they chose to let us tell them what do. We did. They haven't done so. We are rightly pissed off.
( even more than expenses fiasco )
Just get us out of the cancer that is the EU - and Govt's can work on all the other important issues that you can dream of.
The House of Remain is the blocker.
No that’s wrong. We voted to leave and then it’s up to the government to decide how to do it. ( even more than expenses fiasco )
Just get us out of the cancer that is the EU - and Govt's can work on all the other important issues that you can dream of.
The House of Remain is the blocker.
I naively expected the leaders of the leave campaign to take up the reigns and lead us into a positive and constructive negotiation with the EU. They all vanished and left May (a remainer) to handle it and snipe from the sidelines. Any meaningful brexit was lost just days after the vote. I’m not remotely surprised the HOC or May is trying to negotiate the least possible brexit because she and they think it’s a bad idea.
Farage is just about disruption and encouraging the disenfranchised to be angry at the establishment and the EU. He’s not going to make anyone, especially the disenfranchised any better off at all. He’s simply making unhappy people blame others for their problems.
I’d like a 25 meter swimming pool in my garden. I haven’t got one. It’s not the EUs fault it’s my fault for not working hard enough in school or opting for a career and lifestyle that makes paying for one difficult.
Farage has convinced unhappy people it’s the EU and elites fault. It’s not. Voting for him won’t make it better.
Voting for Farage will actually likely lead to Corbyn getting in power and then we will ALL be much worse off. Perhaps that’s what Farage supporters want, everyone’s lives to be worse? The thing is the disenfranchised will be even worse off than the elites people want to get one over on.
crankedup said:
Polling suggests that positions adopted in 2016 are entrenched more now than ever before, that includes remainers and leavers. Mainstream media has. instantly reaffirmed the same sentiment. It’s a matter of fact for those that have a serious interest. ‘Moderate brexiteers’ just another name, we leave the EU as voted and instructed to Government.
So what does 'leaving' mean to you and what makes you think that all leavers feel the same way?Blue62 said:
At the risk of getting into a pointless slanging match, I'm not sure that it can or will develop beyond a single issue. In Farage you have a man who does not lead, he thrives on division and he's never put himself in a position where he either has to fulfil his promises or stand accountable. That may sound like a criticism (especially to one of his acolytes), but it's more an observation on how he operates. He is a smart and skilful man, who has made a successful career from cajoling people into action, I enjoy listening to him and understand his success, but he's no leader.
I've got to agree with most of that I like farage but I've lost a lot of respect for him and think he's just messed up a real chance for potential political change in this country for his own self interest. The way he just disappear like a rat from a sinking ship with Ukip when it look like it's support was disappearing. He keeps saying that he knew what the politicians where going to do all along. If he did why didn't he stay with Ukip and bided his time.
And the fact that he then starts to use the same tactics constantly used against him towards Ukip of calling them far right and racist also puts me off him.
All he's done is split the vote and turned a chance of real political change back into a almost pointless protest vote. What no real established politician will real give a s
t about. Supercilious Sid said:
Roman Rhodes said:
I can't speak for others but I'm just poking fun at Leavers desperately clinging on to Nigel's coat-tails. I'm fairly indifferent to what eventually happens as the effect on me will be minimal. To that extent I've nothing to get rattled about. Can't say that I'm seeing anything rattled coming from other posters you might describe as remainers either - but if that is your riposte to some gentle ribbing then fair enough.
17 posts out of 357 so far, says you are either unemployed with too much time on your hands or frothing about it so much you can't keep away.
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