Nigel Farage Launches New Brexit Party.
Discussion
El stovey said:
No that’s wrong. We voted to leave and then it’s up to the government to decide how to do it.
I naively expected the leaders of the leave campaign to take up the reigns and lead us into a positive and constructive negotiation with the EU. They all vanished and left May (a remainer) to handle it and snipe from the sidelines. Any meaningful brexit was lost just days after the vote. I’m not remotely surprised the HOC or May is trying to negotiate the least possible brexit because she and they think it’s a bad idea.
Farage is just about disruption and encouraging the disenfranchised to be angry at the establishment and the EU. He’s not going to make anyone, especially the disenfranchised any better off at all. He’s simply making unhappy people blame others for their problems.
I’d like a 25 meter swimming pool in my garden. I haven’t got one. It’s not the EUs fault it’s my fault for not working hard enough in school or opting for a career and lifestyle that makes paying for one difficult.
Farage has convinced unhappy people it’s the EU and elites fault. It’s not. Voting for him won’t make it better.
Voting for Farage will actually likely lead to Corbyn getting in power and then we will ALL be much worse off. Perhaps that’s what Farage supporters want, everyone’s lives to be worse? The thing is the disenfranchised will be even worse off than the elites people want to get one over on.
I naively expected the leaders of the leave campaign to take up the reigns and lead us into a positive and constructive negotiation with the EU. They all vanished and left May (a remainer) to handle it and snipe from the sidelines. Any meaningful brexit was lost just days after the vote. I’m not remotely surprised the HOC or May is trying to negotiate the least possible brexit because she and they think it’s a bad idea.
Farage is just about disruption and encouraging the disenfranchised to be angry at the establishment and the EU. He’s not going to make anyone, especially the disenfranchised any better off at all. He’s simply making unhappy people blame others for their problems.
I’d like a 25 meter swimming pool in my garden. I haven’t got one. It’s not the EUs fault it’s my fault for not working hard enough in school or opting for a career and lifestyle that makes paying for one difficult.
Farage has convinced unhappy people it’s the EU and elites fault. It’s not. Voting for him won’t make it better.
Voting for Farage will actually likely lead to Corbyn getting in power and then we will ALL be much worse off. Perhaps that’s what Farage supporters want, everyone’s lives to be worse? The thing is the disenfranchised will be even worse off than the elites people want to get one over on.
Very well said.
A very succinct description of Farrage's MO.
Blue62 said:
crankedup said:
I’ve already said that the objectives of the Party are Brexit, they will then continue to develop and build into a mainstream party.
At the risk of getting into a pointless slanging match, I'm not sure that it can or will develop beyond a single issue. In Farage you have a man who does not lead, he thrives on division and he's never put himself in a position where he either has to fulfil his promises or stand accountable. That may sound like a criticism (especially to one of his acolytes), but it's more an observation on how he operates. He is a smart and skilful man, who has made a successful career from cajoling people into action, I enjoy listening to him and understand his success, but he's no leader.crankedup said:
My hope is that once brexit is properly accomplished the Party will continue under a new name and new leadership eventually. If not then at least a major political shakeup has awoken the political agendas. I admire Farage for the reasons you mention, but do agree he would not make a good PM.
What would you like to see the 'post Brexit' Brexit party to include in their manifesto?crankedup said:
And when the demo.ition of the Tory and Labour Party are complete we will all have new Parties from which to place our political faith into. Clearly the current established Parties have squandered thier positions over several decades.
Do you think he'll play any part in getting these new parties going?Roman Rhodes said:
crankedup said:
Roman Rhodes said:
Down and out said:
Roman Rhodes said:
Examples?
Most of them. Certainly ramping up as the party gains support.
So you're just posting meaningless words then - rather like the Brexit Party 'manifesto'!
The very fact is simple that even you should. e able to work it out. The Brexit Party is attracting
a huge amount of publicity via forums, National and international media.All publicity is good, so keep on posting please, even if it is your trade mark less than thoughtful prose.
Every understands, well most people, that any new venture must attract attention, are you a new venture yet to grow up perhaps?
"Are you a new venture yet to grow up perhaps?" may mean something in your mind but possibly needs translation into something meaningful. Care to try again?
crankedup said:
And when the demo.ition of the Tory and Labour Party are complete we will all have new Parties from which to place our political faith into. Clearly the current established Parties have squandered thier positions over several decades.
But voting for Farage will NOT ever give you a complete reset of the political party system resulting in you feeling represented and engaged by a new party, you’ll still be miserable but you’ll likely have Corbyn running the country. smn159 said:
crankedup said:
Polling suggests that positions adopted in 2016 are entrenched more now than ever before, that includes remainers and leavers. Mainstream media has. instantly reaffirmed the same sentiment. It’s a matter of fact for those that have a serious interest. ‘Moderate brexiteers’ just another name, we leave the EU as voted and instructed to Government.
So what does 'leaving' mean to you and what makes you think that all leavers feel the same way?For me voting for the U.K. to leave the EU means out of the SM and CU and all that it entails, or put another way the EU’s four basic fundamental political and Social foundation rules.
Roman Rhodes said:
Or passing a few idle minutes here and there triggering people like you. 
No need to keep scores - it's only an internet forum!
'Triggering'? I'm more worried about your mental health. Have a read of this https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/obsessive-compulsive... No need to keep scores - it's only an internet forum!It should point you in the right direction.
El stovey said:
crankedup said:
And when the demo.ition of the Tory and Labour Party are complete we will all have new Parties from which to place our political faith into. Clearly the current established Parties have squandered thier positions over several decades.
But voting for Farage will NOT ever give you a complete reset of the political party system resulting in you feeling represented and engaged by a new party, you’ll still be miserable but you’ll likely have Corbyn running the country. Randy Winkman said:
crankedup said:
And when the demo.ition of the Tory and Labour Party are complete we will all have new Parties from which to place our political faith into. Clearly the current established Parties have squandered thier positions over several decades.
Do you think he'll play any part in getting these new parties going?pgh said:
Piha said:
What would you like to see the 'post Brexit' Brexit party to include in their manifesto?
I know you didn't ask me, however, I'll give my 2p worth I'd like to see a new, genuinely conservative party, with policies focused on teaching folk to fish, rather than handing them fish.
El stovey said:
No that’s wrong. We voted to leave and then it’s up to the government to decide how to do it.
.......
You might find I'm right.......The Govt has to get it past the House of Remain........
With circa 400 Remainers in there - the vast majority that stood on a mandate to deliver Brexit drawing a salary, gold plated pension etc etc
And with the promises that were made.
A vote to leave the EU means we leave the SM and CU - both sides agreed that.
Out by 29th March 2019
etc etc.
El stovey said:
I think you’re right that a gap exists to “the right” of the conservatives. I thought Jacob R M might breakaway with his more conservative conservatives. It might happen with his sister but Farage isn’t about occupying that ground in government. He’s just about then EU and disrupting.
The glaring gap at the moment is to the left of the Conservatives and to the right of Momentum Labour - somebody needs to reclaim this centre ground to properly unite the country.crankedup said:
Roman Rhodes said:
crankedup said:
Roman Rhodes said:
Down and out said:
Roman Rhodes said:
Examples?
Most of them. Certainly ramping up as the party gains support.So you're just posting meaningless words then - rather like the Brexit Party 'manifesto'!
The very fact is simple that even you should. e able to work it out. The Brexit Party is attracting
a huge amount of publicity via forums, National and international media.All publicity is good, so keep on posting please, even if it is your trade mark less than thoughtful prose.
Every understands, well most people, that any new venture must attract attention, are you a new venture yet to grow up perhaps?
"Are you a new venture yet to grow up perhaps?" may mean something in your mind but possibly needs translation into something meaningful. Care to try again?
Supercilious Sid said:
Roman Rhodes said:
Or passing a few idle minutes here and there triggering people like you. No need to keep scores - it's only an internet forum!
'Triggering'? I'm more worried about your mental health. Have a read of this https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/obsessive-compulsive... No need to keep scores - it's only an internet forum!It should point you in the right direction.
Now you’re making yourself look silly!
Roman Rhodes said:
I'm afraid your excuse for her doesn't stand scrutiny. She became an Anglican in her 30's and converted to Catholicism over the ordination of women when she was 46. She has followed the dogma rather than "accepted the status quo". Not a pleasant person at all.
Sorry I didn't know that i'd assumed incorrectly that she had been brought up with her current religion as is normally the way.....IrateNinja said:
Labradorofperception said:
It's almost like he just makes it up as he goes along 
k this EU remain/leave mess is..,. Lol 
thanks for posting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjbM4NmjLcA
I find this sort of thing interesting.........2.34 one MEP has an interesting addition to here phone........they are all kids in a playground aren't they, UK or EU parliament it seemingly makes no difference. I wonder sometimes if we are suffering because none of us alive now have ever really known any hardship, it's been so easy for so long that we can all afford even those in power and with responsibility to just petty snipe and bicker constantly?
I find this sort of thing interesting.........2.34 one MEP has an interesting addition to here phone........they are all kids in a playground aren't they, UK or EU parliament it seemingly makes no difference. I wonder sometimes if we are suffering because none of us alive now have ever really known any hardship, it's been so easy for so long that we can all afford even those in power and with responsibility to just petty snipe and bicker constantly?
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