Nigel Farage Launches New Brexit Party.
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Randy Winkman said:
Tony427 said:
Well it appearsfrom today's news that Nigel will offer a non competing agreement with Boris to ensure that a no deal Brexit gets across the line. I suggested that this should happen yonks ago.
So the various scenarios should work out as follows given that Boris needs a GE at the earliest possible time both because of his good polling figures and Corbyn's disasterous levels of public confidence.
Scenario 1. Boris pulls off a deal, spikes TBP guns and goes for an early election as the Brexit Champion. Lib Dems hoover up disruntled Remainers in both Labour and Conservative camps. Labour suffers intercine warfare as Momentum, Leave and Remain factions battle over the Labour carcass left by Corbyns inept strategy. . Boris majority obtained. .
No.2. Boris goes for no deal and it actually happens. TBP guns are spiked again, Lib dems hoover up Remain voters and a few Labour Leave seats with Remain MP's change hands to Conservative. Boris gets a majority. Its the night of long knives at selection time in Labour as moderates are expunged and deselected. This will help Conservative gains.
No.3. Boris Brexit plans are scupperred by a combination of Remainers in Parliament, Bercow, the courts and MSM. Boris calls snap election pitting a Leave country against a Remain parliament. This will not end well for the existing Remainers in Parliament. Boris and Nigel agree the non competing deal and every Remain MP in a Leave constituency is targetted, apart from the Tory ones who will be deselected for new obedient Tory candidates. TBP will get free reign to go after Labour in its heartlands.There's probably over 160 seats to go after. TBP willl get a large chunk of them. Intercine warfare at local Labour party level will continue and they will be decimated in the polls. Non Corbyn supporting MP's will be out. Leave supporting Labour MP's will be out. Momentum Remainers will be in, even in Leave constituencies.. The polls will reflect that Labour will have lost their heartland to the Brexit Party. Boris gets a majority with TBP and takes us out of the EU with no deal.
A couple of years later TBP is superflous and Boris calls another election and gets a bigger majority as the Labour heartlands aren't Labour any more.Lib dems pick up ex Labour seats. McDonnel is in charge so Labour is all but dead.
Lib Dems have all the Remainers and form the opposition.
If I was Boris I would be hard pushed to decide which one was the better outcome politically speaking.
Gentlemen, what are your thoughts ?
Cheers,
Tony
So your only options are ones that work well for Boris/Brexit. You are a true Brexiteer. So the various scenarios should work out as follows given that Boris needs a GE at the earliest possible time both because of his good polling figures and Corbyn's disasterous levels of public confidence.
Scenario 1. Boris pulls off a deal, spikes TBP guns and goes for an early election as the Brexit Champion. Lib Dems hoover up disruntled Remainers in both Labour and Conservative camps. Labour suffers intercine warfare as Momentum, Leave and Remain factions battle over the Labour carcass left by Corbyns inept strategy. . Boris majority obtained. .
No.2. Boris goes for no deal and it actually happens. TBP guns are spiked again, Lib dems hoover up Remain voters and a few Labour Leave seats with Remain MP's change hands to Conservative. Boris gets a majority. Its the night of long knives at selection time in Labour as moderates are expunged and deselected. This will help Conservative gains.
No.3. Boris Brexit plans are scupperred by a combination of Remainers in Parliament, Bercow, the courts and MSM. Boris calls snap election pitting a Leave country against a Remain parliament. This will not end well for the existing Remainers in Parliament. Boris and Nigel agree the non competing deal and every Remain MP in a Leave constituency is targetted, apart from the Tory ones who will be deselected for new obedient Tory candidates. TBP will get free reign to go after Labour in its heartlands.There's probably over 160 seats to go after. TBP willl get a large chunk of them. Intercine warfare at local Labour party level will continue and they will be decimated in the polls. Non Corbyn supporting MP's will be out. Leave supporting Labour MP's will be out. Momentum Remainers will be in, even in Leave constituencies.. The polls will reflect that Labour will have lost their heartland to the Brexit Party. Boris gets a majority with TBP and takes us out of the EU with no deal.
A couple of years later TBP is superflous and Boris calls another election and gets a bigger majority as the Labour heartlands aren't Labour any more.Lib dems pick up ex Labour seats. McDonnel is in charge so Labour is all but dead.
Lib Dems have all the Remainers and form the opposition.
If I was Boris I would be hard pushed to decide which one was the better outcome politically speaking.
Gentlemen, what are your thoughts ?
Cheers,
Tony
SCEtoAUX said:
Jay Aston standing for the Brexit Party. That gets my vote.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-4948...
And mine. Now those days are gone she'll be making your mind up to leave the land of make believe https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-4948...
Tony427 said:
Well it appearsfrom today's news that Nigel will offer a non competing agreement with Boris to ensure that a no deal Brexit gets across the line. I suggested that this should happen yonks ago.
So the various scenarios should work out as follows given that Boris needs a GE at the earliest possible time both because of his good polling figures and Corbyn's disasterous levels of public confidence.
I think Boris' best hope is that he goes for maximum nutter BP brexit publicly and prays that parliament can stop him, he can then blame everyone else and ward off BP voters, if not Farage himself, in a new GE, and change Mays deal/ask for Norway for two years whilst forming a plan.So the various scenarios should work out as follows given that Boris needs a GE at the earliest possible time both because of his good polling figures and Corbyn's disasterous levels of public confidence.
Farage is thinking of himself, as usual- they won't win a GE (if they get a majority at the next GE and Farage is PM I think I'd leave as the electorate would clearly be mental) and thus can only weaken Labour & the Tories, giving us five more years of hung parliament.
Of course the EU could always refuse an extension.
Then Boris can start to negotiate a trade deal with them whilst the well oiled machine of Yellowhammer cranks up.
Edited by glazbagun on Tuesday 27th August 21:42
pgh said:
DeepEnd said:
...the penny will drop? One can hope.
You might make more of an impression if you provided some evidence to accompany your assertion. I know he’s a public figure, but I’m surprised that a baseless claim of this nature is allowed here.
You could report it if you think it’s somehow unacceptable.
Would you be ok with “a man who associates with known racists” ?
A quick look at certain Brexit party related Twitter feeds would also suggest it wouldn’t be unreasonable to use “ a man who attracts apparent racists”
pgh said:
Brooking10 said:
Really ?
You could report it if you think it’s somehow unacceptable.
Never reported anything here & no immediate plans to start. You could report it if you think it’s somehow unacceptable.
Brooking10 said:
Would you be ok with “a man who associates with known racists” ?
Again some evidence helps.Brooking10 said:
A quick look at certain Brexit party related Twitter feeds would also suggest it wouldn’t be unreasonable to use “ a man who attracts apparent racists”
Twitter seems to be full of life’s least rational folk of all flavours. If the assertion that someone is a racist comes down to an analysis of their Twitter followers then the world just became a little crazier. Pointless wondering out loud then when you have an avenue for action if it’s a genuine concern
Fraser Anning is an open goal in that regard
The question was founded in whether or not he seemed to attract apparent racists
Brooking10 said:
The question was founded in whether or not he seemed to attract apparent racists
From a libel point of view I suspect there is a difference between saying someone is a "known racist" and saying he "attracts apparent racists". Those are two radically different assertions, aren't they?
And given that the idea of being an independent nation is naturally attractive to those who are xenophobic does not make the idea of being an independent nation itself xenophobic, does it? Despite DeepEnd's fanatical attempts to make the link.
Is it really too subtle? Come on.
Body on floor covered in blood with bullet in skull. Bloke holding smoking gun over said body.
Sane people conclude gunshot homicide.
Others conclude it is lead poisoning, nothing to do with the gun.
The smoking guns are many, varied but unrelenting. The Poster. Romanian neighbours. Foreigners on a train. Go back to where you came from “genius”. AfD. Fraser Anning. Bongo bongo land. Blaiklock. Etc. The list goes on and on and on like an open ended £100 direct debit.
Body on floor covered in blood with bullet in skull. Bloke holding smoking gun over said body.
Sane people conclude gunshot homicide.
Others conclude it is lead poisoning, nothing to do with the gun.
The smoking guns are many, varied but unrelenting. The Poster. Romanian neighbours. Foreigners on a train. Go back to where you came from “genius”. AfD. Fraser Anning. Bongo bongo land. Blaiklock. Etc. The list goes on and on and on like an open ended £100 direct debit.
pgh said:
Brooking10 said:
In order
Pointless wondering out loud then when you have an avenue for action if it’s a genuine concern
You read posts out loud? Pointless wondering out loud then when you have an avenue for action if it’s a genuine concern
I’ve no interest in taking action on behalf of the forum, it’s a commercial entity & I have no reason to believe it needs my assistance.
Brooking10 said:
Fraser Anning is an open goal in that regard
Never heard of him/her/it. I’ll do some research, however, feels like things are becoming somewhat cloudy from the original “known racist” assertion made about Farage. Brooking10 said:
The question was founded in whether or not he seemed to attract apparent racists
From my perspective I’ve been responding to a direct statement that Farage is a known racist. I haven’t seen anyone asking a question about attracting racists. Does it work like wasps, where you leave something sweet out?I asked if you thought it would be ok to describe him as somebody who associates with known racists and suggested that it seemed not unreasonable to say he attracted people who seem racist and to see if you agreed.
All in response to you wondering aloud (in the forum sense) as to why it was tolerated by the PH to have him called a racist.
Not sure what wasps have to do with it. I didn’t think people used that term much anymore
This is a good explanation.
https://twitter.com/femi_sorry/status/111881897360...
“Wait.....my minds just gone blank”. No st Sherlock.
https://twitter.com/femi_sorry/status/111881897360...
“Wait.....my minds just gone blank”. No st Sherlock.
pgh said:
Brooking10 said:
For clarity I didn’t make that assertion.
I know but very much worth making clear. Brooking10 said:
I asked if you thought it would be ok to describe him as somebody who associates with known racists and suggested that it seemed not unreasonable to say he attracted people who seem racist and to see if you agreed.
To answer your question, that would only seem fair if there was some form of documented regular, voluntary association. As for the attraction aspect, seems rather a clumsy smear.
But..... it is abundantly clear to me, as I think,it is many other observers that he attracts an element who hold either overt or latent intolerance as regards certain demographics. Of course one can rightly aim the same criticism at other political parties, not least of all HM Opposition.
His association with Anning was at best ill advised, as were his remarks regarding Trump’s “send them back” debacle.
These things don’t make him a racist but they don’t discourage a less tolerant element of society looking for a totem to legitimise certain of their views.
DeepEnd said:
bhstewie said:
The first rule of Brexit Club is...
https://www.thebrexitparty.org/?page_id=791
A fool and his money leaps to mind.
£100/month. Wonder if any of our regulars are this heavily invested?https://www.thebrexitparty.org/?page_id=791
A fool and his money leaps to mind.
Let’s hope Boris tells Farage to stuff his “offer” to ‘collaborate’.
pgh said:
He’s racist because the U.K. isn’t part of a common asylum policy? It’s no wonder Femi is being sued if that’s his judge of the bar for such allegations.
He’s not being sued by Nigel is he?Google “Nigel sued racism” and you find it is poor old Nigel who scuttled back under his rock when faced with being sued over his lies.
Oh dear. Just gets better.
pgh said:
DeepEnd said:
This is a good explanation.
https://twitter.com/femi_sorry/status/111881897360...
“Wait.....my minds just gone blank”. No st Sherlock.
He’s racist because the U.K. isn’t part of a common asylum policy? It’s no wonder Femi is being sued if that’s his judge of the bar for such allegations. https://twitter.com/femi_sorry/status/111881897360...
“Wait.....my minds just gone blank”. No st Sherlock.
Alyn Smith said:
he said it was "not my intention" to make allegations against Mr Tice personally, but said that "having reflected upon this" he would "apologise unreservedly to him and withdraw my allegation".
He said: "I am happy to state clearly that I do not have any evidence to support such an allegation. I spoke in the heat of the moment and am happy to set the record straight." The two sides agreed to keep their full financial settlement confidential, but the Brexit Party said Mr Smith had contributed "significantly" to Mr Tice's legal costs as well as making a charity donation to Help For Heroes
digimeistter said:
DeepEnd said:
bhstewie said:
The first rule of Brexit Club is...
https://www.thebrexitparty.org/?page_id=791
A fool and his money leaps to mind.
£100/month. Wonder if any of our regulars are this heavily invested?https://www.thebrexitparty.org/?page_id=791
A fool and his money leaps to mind.
Let’s hope Boris tells Farage to stuff his “offer” to ‘collaborate’.
DeepEnd said:
bhstewie said:
The first rule of Brexit Club is...
https://www.thebrexitparty.org/?page_id=791
A fool and his money leaps to mind.
£100/month. Wonder if any of our regulars are this heavily invested?https://www.thebrexitparty.org/?page_id=791
A fool and his money leaps to mind.
Let’s hope Boris tells Farage to stuff his “offer” to ‘collaborate’.
If I were to take a guess, and it is just a guess, he will have more sense than to get into bed with Farage.
As for those with a personal stake in his activities, I've said before, if you feel he represents your views well enough to give him money then best of luck with that.
It just mean you get to be Aaron Banks for a couple of hours or whatever bit of Farage's grubby antics £100 funds.
Birds of a feather.
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