Climate protesters block roads

[Terzo123]

techguyone said:

This is getting a bit worrying, looks like Wokism has hit Juries now.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56853...



Beggers belief.

Astonishing.

[HarryW]

Terzo123 said:

techguyone said:

This is getting a bit worrying, looks like Wokism has hit Juries now.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56853...



Beggers belief.

Astonishing.

One for the lawyers perhaps, but if the judge directs there is no defence in law then finding them not guilty in court is Shirley not legal outcome. No wonder they wanted to review their T&C’s again before coming to that verdict.
I presume the CPS will at least seek a review with a view to mistrial or some such, as to let it stand leads to anarchy?

Edited by HarryW on Friday 23 April 19:09

[ChocolateFrog]

techguyone said:

This is getting a bit worrying, looks like Wokism has hit Juries now.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56853...



Beggers belief.

Was about to post the same. It does literally beggar belief.

I genuinely don't understand.

[Ian Geary]

Terzo123 said:

techguyone said:

This is getting a bit worrying, looks like Wokism has hit Juries now.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56853...



Beggers belief.

Astonishing.

What if it had been the other way round? Judge directs not guilty but they find guilty?

Obviously they did a credible job laying on the green wash, but perhaps the UK will need to follow the USA and start selecting juries more carefully.

[techguyone]

Ian Geary said:

Terzo123 said:

techguyone said:

This is getting a bit worrying, looks like Wokism has hit Juries now.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56853...



Beggers belief.

Astonishing.

What if it had been the other way round? Judge directs not guilty but they find guilty?

Obviously they did a credible job laying on the green wash, but perhaps the UK will need to follow the USA and start selecting juries more carefully.

I quite liked HarryW's idea, something will need to be done

[ntiz]

I am genuinely surprised that a random group of people cared enough about XR and the cause to want to let them off.

Or am I missing something more sinister?

[A Winner Is You]

So we now have a group whose every whim is bent to by the police, government, judiciary and major corporations. They're only going ot get more and more brazen.

[dandarez]

We really have gone to 'pot'! What with the post office scandal and this.

I note that shower of numbskulls are nearly all from Stroud in Glos. Home of potty Gail Bradbrook, one of the founders of XR.
IMO (and others) she's a utter anarchist crackpot - literally.

Her own words:
"I’d been trying to start a campaign of mass civil disobedience for years before Extinction Rebellion."
Have a read...
http://www.whatisemerging.com/opinions/psychedelic...

Bottom line is she and all those behind the facade are simply 'anarchists'.
They really, really don't give a st about the climate. At all.Their 'aim' is something very, very different.

And yet the gullible and the thick follow in their droves.

I met plenty of hippies in the 60s, virtually to a person all were harmless, except to themselves.
The new version are f dangerous!

Decisions like above should worry the st out of 'normal' citizens.
Glad I'm old. The best was back then, the worst it seems is to come.

Hold on to your seat!

Edited by dandarez on Friday 23 April 22:54

[ATG]

techguyone said:

Ian Geary said:

Terzo123 said:

techguyone said:

This is getting a bit worrying, looks like Wokism has hit Juries now.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56853...



Beggers belief.

Astonishing.

What if it had been the other way round? Judge directs not guilty but they find guilty?

Obviously they did a credible job laying on the green wash, but perhaps the UK will need to follow the USA and start selecting juries more carefully.

I quite liked HarryW's idea, something will need to be done

Or just maybe a random sample of 12 members of the public who actually sat through the trial and thought about the arguments put forward came to a reasonable conclusion?

If one of you had been on the jury and sat through the trial in person, perhaps you'd have drawn the same conclusion too?

[ATG]

dandarez said:

We really have gone to 'pot'! What with the post office scandal and this.

I note that shower of numbskulls are nearly all from Stroud in Glos. Home of potty Gail Bradbrook, one of the founders of XR.
IMO (and others) she's a utter anarchist crackpot - literally.

Her own words:
"I’d been trying to start a campaign of mass civil disobedience for years before Extinction Rebellion."
Have a read...
http://www.whatisemerging.com/opinions/psychedelic...

Bottom line is she and all those behind the facade are simply 'anarchists'.
They really, really don't give a st about the climate. At all.Their 'aim' is something very, very different.

And yet the gullible and the thick follow in their droves.

I met plenty of hippies in the 60s, virtually to a person all were harmless, except to themselves.
The new version are f dangerous!

Decisions like above should worry the st out of 'normal' citizens.
Glad I'm old. The best was back then, the worst it seems is to come.

Hold on to your seat!

Edited by dandarez on Friday 23 April 22:54

If you'd actually met any XR people you'd know that it is absurd to suggest they're all "just anarchists" or are gullible plonkers who've been hoodwinked by a bunch of anarchists. Obviously some of them are a fully fledged tie died hippies (and we need no more evidence than that they live in Stroud, home of the hemp and spelt flapjack), but equally plenty of them choose to use soap and are otherwise perfectly normal, thoughtful, educated, responsible citizens. My view is that they are playing a dangerous but surprisingly effective game with their campaign of pretty mild civil disobedience. I expected there to have been much more of a backlash against them than there has been. In fact they seem to have met with a surprising degree of support.

An example of how they are in fact rather mainstream; they held a hustings earlier this evening for the up-coming Senedd elections. How anarchistic is that??!? Participating in the parliamentary democratic process; clear evidence of trying to overthrow the system.

Unsurprisingly the Tory candidate refused the invite on the basis of being incompatible with democracy blah blah blah ... vacuous, pompous, cowardly, tone-deaf, etc. All the other parties accepted and participated in a high quality, good-natured discussion. If you're not prepared to turn up and say "I don't think criminal damage is acceptable" you're just spineless. The other parties' candidates managed to do this; why couldn't the Conservatives? If someone is genuinely concerned that groups like XR are undermining the political process, why not engage with them when they're clearly open to that engagement?

[garagewidow]

The trouble with XR is they don't have a representative spokesperson,i see them akin to an ants nest,.....all doing their own thing with the same ultimate goal so when they are confronted about their actions they claim to just be a natural collective of like minded people acting as individuals.in this way they get away with any semblance of a disruptive organisation.

[turbobloke]

ATG said:

dandarez said:

We really have gone to 'pot'! What with the post office scandal and this.

I note that shower of numbskulls are nearly all from Stroud in Glos. Home of potty Gail Bradbrook, one of the founders of XR.
IMO (and others) she's a utter anarchist crackpot - literally.

Her own words:
"I’d been trying to start a campaign of mass civil disobedience for years before Extinction Rebellion."
Have a read...
http://www.whatisemerging.com/opinions/psychedelic...

Bottom line is she and all those behind the facade are simply 'anarchists'.
They really, really don't give a st about the climate. At all.Their 'aim' is something very, very different.

And yet the gullible and the thick follow in their droves.

I met plenty of hippies in the 60s, virtually to a person all were harmless, except to themselves.
The new version are f dangerous!

Decisions like above should worry the st out of 'normal' citizens.
Glad I'm old. The best was back then, the worst it seems is to come.

Hold on to your seat!

Edited by dandarez on Friday 23 April 22:54

If you'd actually met any XR people you'd know that it is absurd to suggest they're all "just anarchists" or are gullible plonkers who've been hoodwinked by a bunch of anarchists. Obviously some of them are a fully fledged tie died hippies (and we need no more evidence than that they live in Stroud, home of the hemp and spelt flapjack), but equally plenty of them choose to use soap and are otherwise perfectly normal, thoughtful, educated, responsible citizens. My view is that they are playing a dangerous but surprisingly effective game with their campaign of pretty mild civil disobedience. I expected there to have been much more of a backlash against them than there has been. In fact they seem to have met with a surprising degree of support.

An example of how they are in fact rather mainstream; they held a hustings earlier this evening for the up-coming Senedd elections. How anarchistic is that??!? Participating in the parliamentary democratic process; clear evidence of trying to overthrow the system.

Unsurprisingly the Tory candidate refused the invite on the basis of being incompatible with democracy blah blah blah ... vacuous, pompous, cowardly, tone-deaf, etc. All the other parties accepted and participated in a high quality, good-natured discussion. If you're not prepared to turn up and say "I don't think criminal damage is acceptable" you're just spineless. The other parties' candidates managed to do this; why couldn't the Conservatives? If someone is genuinely concerned that groups like XR are undermining the political process, why not engage with them when they're clearly open to that engagement?

Nice work, an eloquent defence of the indefensible, very right-on.

Did you miss it when the XR co-founder was filmed calling for a 'take down' of civilisation?

And it's back to the sixth-form (bottom set): "it is part of our duty in my opinion that we've also got to not only take down civilisation but shepherd ourselves and incoming generations back into a state of wilding as it were".

As you know these types you may know who said that. However, as pointed out above, given the nature of the middle class rebels as headless but many-headed, anything that one says can be spun as individual. The gullible will fall for it as usual.

[ATG]

It may be inconvenient for you that they are "many headed", bit it's reality. XR isn't an organisation as much as a brand.

It's daft to pretend they are something they are not just so you can criticize the straw man you've erected. You can't deny reality. Well, you can, but you'll look a bit odd.

[FiF]

Jury delivers perverse verdict. Not one of them prepared to stand up and do the job properly? That being decide on the evidence actually presented in court?

[Dagnir]

ChocolateFrog said:

techguyone said:

This is getting a bit worrying, looks like Wokism has hit Juries now.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56853...



Beggers belief.

Was about to post the same. It does literally beggar belief.

I genuinely don't understand.

So if it's morally justified (which is subjective) the law doesn't necessarily apply?

What a great precedent to set.

Not actually happy that the judge even raised the fact that it could be morally justifiable. Seems irresponsible to plant that seed imo.

Apply this logic elsewhere and you've almost given the green light to vigilante groups.

Bravo justice system.

[Vanden Saab]

FiF said:

Jury delivers perverse verdict. Not one of them prepared to stand up and do the job properly? That being decide on the evidence actually presented in court?

You have to wonder why not one juror asked what the others who wanted to acquit them would do if it was their house and these people had smashed their windows and daubed graffiti. The verdict beggars belief.

[cossy400]

Spare tyre said:

Might have been discussed already, but did you all see the hs2 protests at Asheville aggregates

Truly bizzare

Came to post this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBVhwIF_qzU&t=...

8 mins in ish

Blaming him for delivering stone to HS2, and asking for the Black man to come to the gate.

[Smiler.]

ATG said:

If you'd actually met any XR people you'd know that it is absurd to suggest they're all "just anarchists" or are gullible plonkers who've been hoodwinked by a bunch of anarchists. Obviously some of them are a fully fledged tie died hippies (and we need no more evidence than that they live in Stroud, home of the hemp and spelt flapjack), but equally plenty of them choose to use soap and are otherwise perfectly normal, thoughtful, educated, responsible citizens. My view is that they are playing a dangerous but surprisingly effective game with their campaign of pretty mild civil disobedience. I expected there to have been much more of a backlash against them than there has been. In fact they seem to have met with a surprising degree of support.

An example of how they are in fact rather mainstream; they held a hustings earlier this evening for the up-coming Senedd elections. How anarchistic is that??!? Participating in the parliamentary democratic process; clear evidence of trying to overthrow the system.

Unsurprisingly the Tory candidate refused the invite on the basis of being incompatible with democracy blah blah blah ... vacuous, pompous, cowardly, tone-deaf, etc. All the other parties accepted and participated in a high quality, good-natured discussion. If you're not prepared to turn up and say "I don't think criminal damage is acceptable" you're just spineless. The other parties' candidates managed to do this; why couldn't the Conservatives? If someone is genuinely concerned that groups like XR are undermining the political process, why not engage with them when they're clearly open to that engagement?

A bit like the IRA.

[MadCaptainJack]

HarryW said:

One for the lawyers perhaps, but if the judge directs there is no defence in law then finding them not guilty in court is Shirley not legal outcome. No wonder they wanted to review their T&C’s again before coming to that verdict.

It's called jury nullification and I believe it is of critical importance in defending a free democracy. There's a real danger that a proliferation of laws and regulations - some of which may have been well-meaning but are used in ways that were not intended by the drafters - can be used to restrict human rights, control and stifle dissent, and even place private interests above those of the public.

The right to a jury trial (which has itself been eroded over time), along with the right of jury members to make a decision and pass judgment independently, help protect against miscarriages of justice.

You may not agree with the jury's decision in this case but they were perfectly within their rights to do what they did, and protecting those rights is infinitely more important than ensuring that the prosecution gets its way.

[techguyone]

Oh good, expect more of the same coming soon then.