Climate protesters block roads
Discussion
Coolbanana said:
The message about Climate Change is a valid one, only those who are somewhat intellectually-challenged would still argue that there remains a debate to the contrary.
Humans are accelerating the Natural process. Fact. You are an idiot to disagree, if you do.
Extinction Rebellion should be praised for heightening general awareness in the sense that we should be pressuring Governments to take further action, however, they are, in my personal view, advocating impractical measures that are just too extreme; it is simply unrealistic to see aviation as for 'emergencies' only, for example.
They, and the recent Classroom activism, are exactly what we need to see in terms of stepping up the pressure upon Governments to work together to address Climate Change issues as quickly as realistically possible.
Ignorance and attitudes supporting the 'I'm alright, couldn't give a stuff about the Future, so let them deal with it' are unhelpful but can be managed - just as Smokers had to be managed, since they refused to self-regulate the impact they had on others.
Extinction Rebellion and the like are being heard, they just need to ensure that they do not overstep, which they are in danger of doing. The Climate Change Disbeliever Morons who disagree can be managed, but if Extinction Rebellion go too far, they do make that task tougher.
Governments around the World need to ramp up their measures to control CC, influential Governments like the UK, can exert influence upon those others who may not otherwise make much effort; hence targeting London etc is a valid tactic.
I clearly support ER and a little inconvenience is a small price to pay while they get their message heard...but too much will have a negative effect, so I don't support their more extreme views.
Good Post.Humans are accelerating the Natural process. Fact. You are an idiot to disagree, if you do.
Extinction Rebellion should be praised for heightening general awareness in the sense that we should be pressuring Governments to take further action, however, they are, in my personal view, advocating impractical measures that are just too extreme; it is simply unrealistic to see aviation as for 'emergencies' only, for example.
They, and the recent Classroom activism, are exactly what we need to see in terms of stepping up the pressure upon Governments to work together to address Climate Change issues as quickly as realistically possible.
Ignorance and attitudes supporting the 'I'm alright, couldn't give a stuff about the Future, so let them deal with it' are unhelpful but can be managed - just as Smokers had to be managed, since they refused to self-regulate the impact they had on others.
Extinction Rebellion and the like are being heard, they just need to ensure that they do not overstep, which they are in danger of doing. The Climate Change Disbeliever Morons who disagree can be managed, but if Extinction Rebellion go too far, they do make that task tougher.
Governments around the World need to ramp up their measures to control CC, influential Governments like the UK, can exert influence upon those others who may not otherwise make much effort; hence targeting London etc is a valid tactic.
I clearly support ER and a little inconvenience is a small price to pay while they get their message heard...but too much will have a negative effect, so I don't support their more extreme views.
rxe said:
poo at Paul's said:
Champagne Socialist Emma Thompson is now with them!!. 
This is what is so laughable about the whole thing. One of our slightly more hippy friends dropped into see us this morning and expressed a level of solidarity with the protestors. She didn’t appreciate my pointing out to her that she’d just driven a 3 litre car 100 miles to go bloody shopping, and that her lifestyle was precisely the sort of thing the soap-dodgers are protesting about. 
TeamD said:
Helicopter123 said:
Good Post.
Why is it that PH doesn't have a blacklist option so that I don't have to be exposed to your rubbish? I'm just delighted that 'climate change denial' is, rightly, being called out, albeit saddened that there is still a need to do so.
Helicopter123 said:
Coolbanana said:
The message about Climate Change is a valid one, only those who are somewhat intellectually-challenged would still argue that there remains a debate to the contrary.
Humans are accelerating the Natural process. Fact. You are an idiot to disagree, if you do.
Extinction Rebellion should be praised for heightening general awareness in the sense that we should be pressuring Governments to take further action, however, they are, in my personal view, advocating impractical measures that are just too extreme; it is simply unrealistic to see aviation as for 'emergencies' only, for example.
They, and the recent Classroom activism, are exactly what we need to see in terms of stepping up the pressure upon Governments to work together to address Climate Change issues as quickly as realistically possible.
Ignorance and attitudes supporting the 'I'm alright, couldn't give a stuff about the Future, so let them deal with it' are unhelpful but can be managed - just as Smokers had to be managed, since they refused to self-regulate the impact they had on others.
Extinction Rebellion and the like are being heard, they just need to ensure that they do not overstep, which they are in danger of doing. The Climate Change Disbeliever Morons who disagree can be managed, but if Extinction Rebellion go too far, they do make that task tougher.
Governments around the World need to ramp up their measures to control CC, influential Governments like the UK, can exert influence upon those others who may not otherwise make much effort; hence targeting London etc is a valid tactic.
I clearly support ER and a little inconvenience is a small price to pay while they get their message heard...but too much will have a negative effect, so I don't support their more extreme views.
Good Post.Humans are accelerating the Natural process. Fact. You are an idiot to disagree, if you do.
Extinction Rebellion should be praised for heightening general awareness in the sense that we should be pressuring Governments to take further action, however, they are, in my personal view, advocating impractical measures that are just too extreme; it is simply unrealistic to see aviation as for 'emergencies' only, for example.
They, and the recent Classroom activism, are exactly what we need to see in terms of stepping up the pressure upon Governments to work together to address Climate Change issues as quickly as realistically possible.
Ignorance and attitudes supporting the 'I'm alright, couldn't give a stuff about the Future, so let them deal with it' are unhelpful but can be managed - just as Smokers had to be managed, since they refused to self-regulate the impact they had on others.
Extinction Rebellion and the like are being heard, they just need to ensure that they do not overstep, which they are in danger of doing. The Climate Change Disbeliever Morons who disagree can be managed, but if Extinction Rebellion go too far, they do make that task tougher.
Governments around the World need to ramp up their measures to control CC, influential Governments like the UK, can exert influence upon those others who may not otherwise make much effort; hence targeting London etc is a valid tactic.
I clearly support ER and a little inconvenience is a small price to pay while they get their message heard...but too much will have a negative effect, so I don't support their more extreme views.
I’d love to know how banana brains would square the aims of those running ER, which are basically to put us back a couple of centuries, with his background as a colonialist and capitalist:
“Architect by Profession, worked in the UK Construction Industry directly for Developers but now semi-retired and dabbling in the family business since 2012 - work from home, managing 3rd Party Service Providers for our companies in the UK and SA.
Photography is my hobby and rugby and cycling my preferred sports.
Like all types of cars: sports cars and 4x4's mainly. Owned several Beemers and a 911“
Laughable.
REALIST123 said:
Helicopter123 said:
Coolbanana said:
The message about Climate Change is a valid one, only those who are somewhat intellectually-challenged would still argue that there remains a debate to the contrary.
Humans are accelerating the Natural process. Fact. You are an idiot to disagree, if you do.
Extinction Rebellion should be praised for heightening general awareness in the sense that we should be pressuring Governments to take further action, however, they are, in my personal view, advocating impractical measures that are just too extreme; it is simply unrealistic to see aviation as for 'emergencies' only, for example.
They, and the recent Classroom activism, are exactly what we need to see in terms of stepping up the pressure upon Governments to work together to address Climate Change issues as quickly as realistically possible.
Ignorance and attitudes supporting the 'I'm alright, couldn't give a stuff about the Future, so let them deal with it' are unhelpful but can be managed - just as Smokers had to be managed, since they refused to self-regulate the impact they had on others.
Extinction Rebellion and the like are being heard, they just need to ensure that they do not overstep, which they are in danger of doing. The Climate Change Disbeliever Morons who disagree can be managed, but if Extinction Rebellion go too far, they do make that task tougher.
Governments around the World need to ramp up their measures to control CC, influential Governments like the UK, can exert influence upon those others who may not otherwise make much effort; hence targeting London etc is a valid tactic.
I clearly support ER and a little inconvenience is a small price to pay while they get their message heard...but too much will have a negative effect, so I don't support their more extreme views.
Good Post.Humans are accelerating the Natural process. Fact. You are an idiot to disagree, if you do.
Extinction Rebellion should be praised for heightening general awareness in the sense that we should be pressuring Governments to take further action, however, they are, in my personal view, advocating impractical measures that are just too extreme; it is simply unrealistic to see aviation as for 'emergencies' only, for example.
They, and the recent Classroom activism, are exactly what we need to see in terms of stepping up the pressure upon Governments to work together to address Climate Change issues as quickly as realistically possible.
Ignorance and attitudes supporting the 'I'm alright, couldn't give a stuff about the Future, so let them deal with it' are unhelpful but can be managed - just as Smokers had to be managed, since they refused to self-regulate the impact they had on others.
Extinction Rebellion and the like are being heard, they just need to ensure that they do not overstep, which they are in danger of doing. The Climate Change Disbeliever Morons who disagree can be managed, but if Extinction Rebellion go too far, they do make that task tougher.
Governments around the World need to ramp up their measures to control CC, influential Governments like the UK, can exert influence upon those others who may not otherwise make much effort; hence targeting London etc is a valid tactic.
I clearly support ER and a little inconvenience is a small price to pay while they get their message heard...but too much will have a negative effect, so I don't support their more extreme views.
I’d love to know how banana brains would square the aims of those running ER, which are basically to put us back a couple of centuries, with his background as a colonialist and capitalist:
“Architect by Profession, worked in the UK Construction Industry directly for Developers but now semi-retired and dabbling in the family business since 2012 - work from home, managing 3rd Party Service Providers for our companies in the UK and SA.
Photography is my hobby and rugby and cycling my preferred sports.
Like all types of cars: sports cars and 4x4's mainly. Owned several Beemers and a 911“
Laughable.
These protests simply highlight the need to keep climate change at the forefront of our minds.
I'm sure I could do a little more to help, maybe you could as well?
Climate change? Give it a rest.
We've been around for a few thousand years. We can't predict the weather accurately beyond a few hours, let alone the complexities of how our world works.
Each and every one of the muppets protesting is a massive hypocrite. Did they craft the clothes they are wearing from natural objects near where they live? Did they walk to London? Are the phones they use crafted from natural, eco sources? It's all b
ks and they are the worst people to preach to anyone.
Don't even get me started on that tosspot actress who has become their mouth piece. Sorry luvvies, was across the pond celebrating my birthday and took a flight back to protest about climate change. What an utter cretin. She has harmed the planet more than I have as I haven't flown for years and years.
Do these people not see how stupid they sound?
We've been around for a few thousand years. We can't predict the weather accurately beyond a few hours, let alone the complexities of how our world works.
Each and every one of the muppets protesting is a massive hypocrite. Did they craft the clothes they are wearing from natural objects near where they live? Did they walk to London? Are the phones they use crafted from natural, eco sources? It's all b
ks and they are the worst people to preach to anyone.Don't even get me started on that tosspot actress who has become their mouth piece. Sorry luvvies, was across the pond celebrating my birthday and took a flight back to protest about climate change. What an utter cretin. She has harmed the planet more than I have as I haven't flown for years and years.
Do these people not see how stupid they sound?
It's about time that overpopulation was taken seriously, and accepted as the primary causal factor for all the environmental issues that humans are responsible for. It has been estimated (for example) that each child in the USA will increase its parents green footprint 5.7 times. https://www.livescience.com/9701-save-planet-kids.... and I suspect that the UK isn't far behind.
When I was born the global population was 2.7 billion. It's now 7.2 billion and rising. Before long the global population will have grown by 5 billion within my lifetime, and shortly after that it will have tripled since I was born.
I'm staggered by how many people consider having children to be an absolute right, rather than a privilege - even if they can't actually afford to have children. The state will pay the bills, after all.
Ever noticed that 'Earth Mother' types often have enormous broods of children, whom they want to save the planet for. The hypocrisy of this seems to elude them.
The only solution is to make having more than one child as socially unacceptable as smoking in public places. To further the cause child benefit should be phased out - not for those children who have already been born, but a rolling programme over a number of years until we get to the point where to have children you have to fund them yourself. That would be an incentive to work hard for a living, and would stop the feckless from using their children as cash cows. I'd like to see financial incentives for married couples who don't have children.
While we're at it, we can insist that foreign aid is linked to contraception programs and better healthcare for children. As the child mortality rate improves there will be a lesser need for large families, and freely available contraception will make that possible.
On top of this we need to recognise that the more technologically advanced a society becomes, more more of the Earth's natural resources it uses per head. We need to accept that we need to make our stuff last longer, rather than building in redundancy to improve sales, and that means ensuring that everything is upgradable wherever possible, and that absolutely everything, including all packaging, is recyclable.
I wonder how many of those protesting would be happy to limit themselves to a single child, do without unnecessary technology, like playstations, run a phone for five or more years, own a maximum of two cars per family - irrespective of family size - rather than have one car per adult and live-at-home manchild / womanchild offspring? Many of the protestors are the cause of the problem, not the solution.
When I was born the global population was 2.7 billion. It's now 7.2 billion and rising. Before long the global population will have grown by 5 billion within my lifetime, and shortly after that it will have tripled since I was born.
I'm staggered by how many people consider having children to be an absolute right, rather than a privilege - even if they can't actually afford to have children. The state will pay the bills, after all.
Ever noticed that 'Earth Mother' types often have enormous broods of children, whom they want to save the planet for. The hypocrisy of this seems to elude them.
The only solution is to make having more than one child as socially unacceptable as smoking in public places. To further the cause child benefit should be phased out - not for those children who have already been born, but a rolling programme over a number of years until we get to the point where to have children you have to fund them yourself. That would be an incentive to work hard for a living, and would stop the feckless from using their children as cash cows. I'd like to see financial incentives for married couples who don't have children.
While we're at it, we can insist that foreign aid is linked to contraception programs and better healthcare for children. As the child mortality rate improves there will be a lesser need for large families, and freely available contraception will make that possible.
On top of this we need to recognise that the more technologically advanced a society becomes, more more of the Earth's natural resources it uses per head. We need to accept that we need to make our stuff last longer, rather than building in redundancy to improve sales, and that means ensuring that everything is upgradable wherever possible, and that absolutely everything, including all packaging, is recyclable.
I wonder how many of those protesting would be happy to limit themselves to a single child, do without unnecessary technology, like playstations, run a phone for five or more years, own a maximum of two cars per family - irrespective of family size - rather than have one car per adult and live-at-home manchild / womanchild offspring? Many of the protestors are the cause of the problem, not the solution.
It’s official; PH is 90% thicko’s.
People on here arguing against scientific fact; upset at the ‘crusties’ demonstrating and many want to mute other posters who disagree with them. How about grow a pair and keep it moving. Some of you chaps could really do with sorting some sort of life out for yourselves. Genuinely. It’s wall to wall manchild.
I’ll just leave this here for a laugh (perhaps it’s already been posted):
https://youtu.be/obFNcN0Zc7k
We can have ten pages of angry ruddy faces, hurriedly slapping their keyboard in response
People on here arguing against scientific fact; upset at the ‘crusties’ demonstrating and many want to mute other posters who disagree with them. How about grow a pair and keep it moving. Some of you chaps could really do with sorting some sort of life out for yourselves. Genuinely. It’s wall to wall manchild.
I’ll just leave this here for a laugh (perhaps it’s already been posted):
https://youtu.be/obFNcN0Zc7k
We can have ten pages of angry ruddy faces, hurriedly slapping their keyboard in response
LDN said:
I’ll just leave this here for a laugh (perhaps it’s already been posted):
https://youtu.be/obFNcN0Zc7k
Jonathan Pie, bang on point as always.https://youtu.be/obFNcN0Zc7k
Mort7 said:
It's about time that overpopulation was taken seriously, and accepted as the primary causal factor for all the environmental issues that humans are responsible for. It has been estimated (for example) that each child in the USA will increase its parents green footprint 5.7 times. https://www.livescience.com/9701-save-planet-kids.... and I suspect that the UK isn't far behind.
When I was born the global population was 2.7 billion. It's now 7.2 billion and rising. Before long the global population will have grown by 5 billion within my lifetime, and shortly after that it will have tripled since I was born.
I'm staggered by how many people consider having children to be an absolute right, rather than a privilege - even if they can't actually afford to have children. The state will pay the bills, after all.
Ever noticed that 'Earth Mother' types often have enormous broods of children, whom they want to save the planet for. The hypocrisy of this seems to elude them.
The only solution is to make having more than one child as socially unacceptable as smoking in public places. To further the cause child benefit should be phased out - not for those children who have already been born, but a rolling programme over a number of years until we get to the point where to have children you have to fund them yourself. That would be an incentive to work hard for a living, and would stop the feckless from using their children as cash cows. I'd like to see financial incentives for married couples who don't have children.
While we're at it, we can insist that foreign aid is linked to contraception programs and better healthcare for children. As the child mortality rate improves there will be a lesser need for large families, and freely available contraception will make that possible.
On top of this we need to recognise that the more technologically advanced a society becomes, more more of the Earth's natural resources it uses per head. We need to accept that we need to make our stuff last longer, rather than building in redundancy to improve sales, and that means ensuring that everything is upgradable wherever possible, and that absolutely everything, including all packaging, is recyclable.
I wonder how many of those protesting would be happy to limit themselves to a single child, do without unnecessary technology, like playstations, run a phone for five or more years, own a maximum of two cars per family - irrespective of family size - rather than have one car per adult and live-at-home manchild / womanchild offspring? Many of the protestors are the cause of the problem, not the solution.
This. When I was born the global population was 2.7 billion. It's now 7.2 billion and rising. Before long the global population will have grown by 5 billion within my lifetime, and shortly after that it will have tripled since I was born.
I'm staggered by how many people consider having children to be an absolute right, rather than a privilege - even if they can't actually afford to have children. The state will pay the bills, after all.
Ever noticed that 'Earth Mother' types often have enormous broods of children, whom they want to save the planet for. The hypocrisy of this seems to elude them.
The only solution is to make having more than one child as socially unacceptable as smoking in public places. To further the cause child benefit should be phased out - not for those children who have already been born, but a rolling programme over a number of years until we get to the point where to have children you have to fund them yourself. That would be an incentive to work hard for a living, and would stop the feckless from using their children as cash cows. I'd like to see financial incentives for married couples who don't have children.
While we're at it, we can insist that foreign aid is linked to contraception programs and better healthcare for children. As the child mortality rate improves there will be a lesser need for large families, and freely available contraception will make that possible.
On top of this we need to recognise that the more technologically advanced a society becomes, more more of the Earth's natural resources it uses per head. We need to accept that we need to make our stuff last longer, rather than building in redundancy to improve sales, and that means ensuring that everything is upgradable wherever possible, and that absolutely everything, including all packaging, is recyclable.
I wonder how many of those protesting would be happy to limit themselves to a single child, do without unnecessary technology, like playstations, run a phone for five or more years, own a maximum of two cars per family - irrespective of family size - rather than have one car per adult and live-at-home manchild / womanchild offspring? Many of the protestors are the cause of the problem, not the solution.
We could decarbonise as much as possible, and we’ll still be screwed if the population carries on rising at the current rate. Sod climate change, the simple availability of energy will be the issue.
I am often struck by the fact that even if my house consumed zero energy, it’s consumption is massively overshadowed by the ginormous estates being built a few miles away. What’s the bloody point?
Making things last longer and be more reliable - that is a debate that most people can engage with. But the crusties don’t get that, they’re just spouting the “someone else must do something we don’t really understand.
Helicopter123 said:
I'm sure you are capable of responding or ignoring posts all by yourself?
I'm just delighted that 'climate change denial' is, rightly, being called out, albeit saddened that there is still a need to do so.
i have yet to meet anyone or discuss the subject with anyone that denies the climate changes. I'm just delighted that 'climate change denial' is, rightly, being called out, albeit saddened that there is still a need to do so.
Mort7 said:
On top of this we need to recognise that the more technologically advanced a society becomes, more more of the Earth's natural resources it uses per head. We need to accept that we need to make our stuff last longer, rather than building in redundancy to improve sales, and that means ensuring that everything is upgradable wherever possible, and that absolutely everything, including all packaging, is recyclable.
this is something i am in favour of. i point blank refuse to own an iphone due to the utter fkwittery that surrounds the "brand" and the amount of people that see having the latest iteration as something of major importance in their life. the constant push for growth is an unsustainable nonsense and needs a serious rethink.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff