Notre Dame on fire - looks pretty serious
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dasigty said:
warch said:
Yep nothing dodgy about that news source.
As if the French MSM are any better ?, they have played down a string of attacks on catholic churches, and stayed stum about a terrorist being imprisoned for planting a bomb outside the very church that burns down two days later.Yep nothing dodgy there either ;0)
kev1974 said:
Jesus seen in the flames
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6930225/M...
You'll need the Daily Mail's helpfully overlaid dots to see what the woman is on about mind you.
Bless.
Jesus is to blame, burn him, burn him.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6930225/M...
You'll need the Daily Mail's helpfully overlaid dots to see what the woman is on about mind you.
Bless.
I work in the heritage industry so I feel like I have an inside track on this sort of thing.
Old buildings often lack any kind of fire safety systems, they were never designed to incorporate them and it is often regarded as counter productive to have them installed. Unlike a modern building there isn't fire retardant cladding or insulation or any kind of design to limit the spread of a fire.
The building in question was undergoing external repairs at the time. This is normally when old buildings are rather vulnerable, you have all kinds of cutting, electrically powered installations like lights and material handling and hot works like leading on the roof.
Now, it could have been terrorists, but I wouldn't automatically assume that unless there was convincing evidence that this was the case. Deliberate fires set by people in historic buildings are much more often caused by someone trying to remove an expensive or difficult to develop building, often in a prime development location, or some hoping to claim on the insurance.
Old buildings often lack any kind of fire safety systems, they were never designed to incorporate them and it is often regarded as counter productive to have them installed. Unlike a modern building there isn't fire retardant cladding or insulation or any kind of design to limit the spread of a fire.
The building in question was undergoing external repairs at the time. This is normally when old buildings are rather vulnerable, you have all kinds of cutting, electrically powered installations like lights and material handling and hot works like leading on the roof.
Now, it could have been terrorists, but I wouldn't automatically assume that unless there was convincing evidence that this was the case. Deliberate fires set by people in historic buildings are much more often caused by someone trying to remove an expensive or difficult to develop building, often in a prime development location, or some hoping to claim on the insurance.
kev1974 said:
Jesus seen in the flames
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6930225/M...
You'll need the Daily Mail's helpfully overlaid dots to see what the woman is on about mind you.
Bless.
Bloody hell, you can as well!https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6930225/M...
You'll need the Daily Mail's helpfully overlaid dots to see what the woman is on about mind you.
Bless.
amusingduck said:
kev1974 said:
Jesus seen in the flames
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6930225/M...
You'll need the Daily Mail's helpfully overlaid dots to see what the woman is on about mind you.
Bless.
Bloody hell, you can as well!https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6930225/M...
You'll need the Daily Mail's helpfully overlaid dots to see what the woman is on about mind you.
Bless.
Try doing that with a burning mosque and a picture of big Mo...
Lods of Chaos was released recently highlighting the history of Mayhem which included burning down churches. Wouldn't surprise me if the spate of church vandalism was just some inspired disaffected cretins. If Notre Dame does turn out to be deliberately started, it would certainly give the perpetrators bragging rights.
Jabbah said:
Lods of Chaos was released recently highlighting the history of Mayhem which included burning down churches. Wouldn't surprise me if the spate of church vandalism was just some inspired disaffected cretins. If Notre Dame does turn out to be deliberately started, it would certainly give the perpetrators bragging rights.
I was about to reply to the post above about deliberate fires set by people in historical buildings - unless you're Norweigan and have a propensity for wearing corpse paint ...and we know who lives in France I see he has upload on YT about it as it happens..
dasigty said:
As if the French MSM are any better ?, they have played down a string of attacks on catholic churches, and stayed stum about a terrorist being imprisoned for planting a bomb outside the very church that burns down two days later.
Yep nothing dodgy there either ;0)
Very safe source of info regarding St Sulpice:Yep nothing dodgy there either ;0)
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.lepoint.fr/230238...
Nothing close to the amount of money mentioned previously.
Nothing has been played down regarding the bomb attack "near" Notre dame in 2016. It was at 3.30am that it should have exploded. No one around. It was in the news in France.
Ayahuasca said:
Glad they managed to save the priceless national treasures - the crown of thorns, St Louis’ coat, the cockerel, the sacred white flag.
World War One, combined military and civilian deaths:France ... 1,397,000
U.K. ... ... 760,800
World War Two, combined military and civilian deaths:
France ... 600,000
U.K. ... ... 451,000
E34-3.2 said:
Very safe source of info regarding St Sulpice:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.lepoint.fr/230238...
Nothing close to the amount of money mentioned previously.
Nothing has been played down regarding the bomb attack "near" Notre dame in 2016. It was at 3.30am that it should have exploded. No one around. It was in the news in France.
They were sent down on Friday for eight years, the place they tried to bomb then burns down, was that link in the news ?https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.lepoint.fr/230238...
Nothing close to the amount of money mentioned previously.
Nothing has been played down regarding the bomb attack "near" Notre dame in 2016. It was at 3.30am that it should have exploded. No one around. It was in the news in France.
I love the way some deliberately miss the point of the post, its pointing out the complete lack of any speculation by the media,
There have been a number of attacks on catholic churches across France in the last few weeks.
At least three in Paris including one of arson.
A terrorist convicted of attempting a car bomb attack outside the very church is sent down on Friday.
On any other occasion of a major event the media goes into a speculation frenzy, what makes this one different ?.
There have been a number of attacks on catholic churches across France in the last few weeks.
At least three in Paris including one of arson.
A terrorist convicted of attempting a car bomb attack outside the very church is sent down on Friday.
On any other occasion of a major event the media goes into a speculation frenzy, what makes this one different ?.
dasigty said:
I love the way some deliberately miss the point of the post, its pointing out the complete lack of any speculation by the media,
There have been a number of attacks on catholic churches across France in the last few weeks.
At least three in Paris including one of arson.
A terrorist convicted of attempting a car bomb attack outside the very church is sent down on Friday.
On any other occasion of a major event the media goes into a speculation frenzy, what makes this one different ?.
I believe they've speculated that it could be connected to the restoration works. Which seems reasonable.There have been a number of attacks on catholic churches across France in the last few weeks.
At least three in Paris including one of arson.
A terrorist convicted of attempting a car bomb attack outside the very church is sent down on Friday.
On any other occasion of a major event the media goes into a speculation frenzy, what makes this one different ?.
What would you like the speculation to concern?
TTwiggy said:
dasigty said:
I love the way some deliberately miss the point of the post, its pointing out the complete lack of any speculation by the media,
There have been a number of attacks on catholic churches across France in the last few weeks.
At least three in Paris including one of arson.
A terrorist convicted of attempting a car bomb attack outside the very church is sent down on Friday.
On any other occasion of a major event the media goes into a speculation frenzy, what makes this one different ?.
I believe they've speculated that it could be connected to the restoration works. Which seems reasonable.There have been a number of attacks on catholic churches across France in the last few weeks.
At least three in Paris including one of arson.
A terrorist convicted of attempting a car bomb attack outside the very church is sent down on Friday.
On any other occasion of a major event the media goes into a speculation frenzy, what makes this one different ?.
What would you like the speculation to concern?
dasigty said:
E34-3.2 said:
Very safe source of info regarding St Sulpice:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.lepoint.fr/230238...
Nothing close to the amount of money mentioned previously.
Nothing has been played down regarding the bomb attack "near" Notre dame in 2016. It was at 3.30am that it should have exploded. No one around. It was in the news in France.
They were sent down on Friday for eight years, the place they tried to bomb then burns down, was that link in the news ?https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.lepoint.fr/230238...
Nothing close to the amount of money mentioned previously.
Nothing has been played down regarding the bomb attack "near" Notre dame in 2016. It was at 3.30am that it should have exploded. No one around. It was in the news in France.
St Sulpice fire might have been started by some homeless.
https://www.theguardian.com/global/2019/apr/17/fra...
International competition to be held to design the replacement spire
Should rebuild it in the shape of the builders' discarded gauloises fag end that probably started the blaze, as the ultimate No Smoking symbol.
International competition to be held to design the replacement spire
Should rebuild it in the shape of the builders' discarded gauloises fag end that probably started the blaze, as the ultimate No Smoking symbol.
Roofless Toothless said:
Ayahuasca said:
Glad they managed to save the priceless national treasures - the crown of thorns, St Louis’ coat, the cockerel, the sacred white flag.
World War One, combined military and civilian deaths:France ... 1,397,000
U.K. ... ... 760,800
World War Two, combined military and civilian deaths:
France ... 600,000
U.K. ... ... 451,000
BTW, in WWII French military deaths were 200,000 compared to the UK’s 400,000, so whatever your point was, wasn’t.
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