Notre Dame on fire - looks pretty serious

Notre Dame on fire - looks pretty serious

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p1stonhead

25,489 posts

166 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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dasigty said:
warch said:
Yep nothing dodgy about that news source.
As if the French MSM are any better ?, they have played down a string of attacks on catholic churches, and stayed stum about a terrorist being imprisoned for planting a bomb outside the very church that burns down two days later.

Yep nothing dodgy there either ;0)
Any of the comments below the article yours?


FourWheelDrift

88,382 posts

283 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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kev1974 said:
Jesus seen in the flames

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6930225/M...

You'll need the Daily Mail's helpfully overlaid dots to see what the woman is on about mind you.

Bless.
Jesus is to blame, burn him, burn him.

dasigty

587 posts

80 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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p1stonhead said:
Any of the comments below the article yours?

Good god no, that place is far to left wing for me.

warch

2,941 posts

153 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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I work in the heritage industry so I feel like I have an inside track on this sort of thing.

Old buildings often lack any kind of fire safety systems, they were never designed to incorporate them and it is often regarded as counter productive to have them installed. Unlike a modern building there isn't fire retardant cladding or insulation or any kind of design to limit the spread of a fire.

The building in question was undergoing external repairs at the time. This is normally when old buildings are rather vulnerable, you have all kinds of cutting, electrically powered installations like lights and material handling and hot works like leading on the roof.

Now, it could have been terrorists, but I wouldn't automatically assume that unless there was convincing evidence that this was the case. Deliberate fires set by people in historic buildings are much more often caused by someone trying to remove an expensive or difficult to develop building, often in a prime development location, or some hoping to claim on the insurance.

amusingduck

9,396 posts

135 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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kev1974 said:
Jesus seen in the flames

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6930225/M...

You'll need the Daily Mail's helpfully overlaid dots to see what the woman is on about mind you.

Bless.
Bloody hell, you can as well!


Mothersruin

8,573 posts

98 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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amusingduck said:
kev1974 said:
Jesus seen in the flames

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6930225/M...

You'll need the Daily Mail's helpfully overlaid dots to see what the woman is on about mind you.

Bless.
Bloody hell, you can as well!

Hahaha. rofl

Try doing that with a burning mosque and a picture of big Mo...

Jabbah

1,331 posts

153 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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Lods of Chaos was released recently highlighting the history of Mayhem which included burning down churches. Wouldn't surprise me if the spate of church vandalism was just some inspired disaffected cretins. If Notre Dame does turn out to be deliberately started, it would certainly give the perpetrators bragging rights.

Colonel D

628 posts

71 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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amusingduck said:
Bloody hell, you can as well!

laugh

mizx

1,570 posts

184 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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Jabbah said:
Lods of Chaos was released recently highlighting the history of Mayhem which included burning down churches. Wouldn't surprise me if the spate of church vandalism was just some inspired disaffected cretins. If Notre Dame does turn out to be deliberately started, it would certainly give the perpetrators bragging rights.
I was about to reply to the post above about deliberate fires set by people in historical buildings - unless you're Norweigan and have a propensity for wearing corpse paint biggrin

...and we know who lives in France scratchchin I see he has upload on YT about it as it happens..

E34-3.2

1,003 posts

78 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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dasigty said:
As if the French MSM are any better ?, they have played down a string of attacks on catholic churches, and stayed stum about a terrorist being imprisoned for planting a bomb outside the very church that burns down two days later.

Yep nothing dodgy there either ;0)
Very safe source of info regarding St Sulpice:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.lepoint.fr/230238...

Nothing close to the amount of money mentioned previously.

Nothing has been played down regarding the bomb attack "near" Notre dame in 2016. It was at 3.30am that it should have exploded. No one around. It was in the news in France.



Dr Murdoch

3,427 posts

134 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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Roofless Toothless

5,615 posts

131 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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Ayahuasca said:
Glad they managed to save the priceless national treasures - the crown of thorns, St Louis’ coat, the cockerel, the sacred white flag.
World War One, combined military and civilian deaths:

France ... 1,397,000
U.K. ... ... 760,800


World War Two, combined military and civilian deaths:

France ... 600,000
U.K. ... ... 451,000



dasigty

587 posts

80 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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E34-3.2 said:
Very safe source of info regarding St Sulpice:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.lepoint.fr/230238...

Nothing close to the amount of money mentioned previously.

Nothing has been played down regarding the bomb attack "near" Notre dame in 2016. It was at 3.30am that it should have exploded. No one around. It was in the news in France.
They were sent down on Friday for eight years, the place they tried to bomb then burns down, was that link in the news ?

dasigty

587 posts

80 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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I love the way some deliberately miss the point of the post, its pointing out the complete lack of any speculation by the media,

There have been a number of attacks on catholic churches across France in the last few weeks.

At least three in Paris including one of arson.

A terrorist convicted of attempting a car bomb attack outside the very church is sent down on Friday.

On any other occasion of a major event the media goes into a speculation frenzy, what makes this one different ?.

TTwiggy

11,500 posts

203 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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dasigty said:
I love the way some deliberately miss the point of the post, its pointing out the complete lack of any speculation by the media,

There have been a number of attacks on catholic churches across France in the last few weeks.

At least three in Paris including one of arson.

A terrorist convicted of attempting a car bomb attack outside the very church is sent down on Friday.

On any other occasion of a major event the media goes into a speculation frenzy, what makes this one different ?.
I believe they've speculated that it could be connected to the restoration works. Which seems reasonable.

What would you like the speculation to concern?

eharding

13,602 posts

283 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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Dr Murdoch said:
hehe


Rivenink

3,665 posts

105 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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TTwiggy said:
dasigty said:
I love the way some deliberately miss the point of the post, its pointing out the complete lack of any speculation by the media,

There have been a number of attacks on catholic churches across France in the last few weeks.

At least three in Paris including one of arson.

A terrorist convicted of attempting a car bomb attack outside the very church is sent down on Friday.

On any other occasion of a major event the media goes into a speculation frenzy, what makes this one different ?.
I believe they've speculated that it could be connected to the restoration works. Which seems reasonable.

What would you like the speculation to concern?
Two words come to mind... "dog" and "whistle"

E34-3.2

1,003 posts

78 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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dasigty said:
E34-3.2 said:
Very safe source of info regarding St Sulpice:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.lepoint.fr/230238...

Nothing close to the amount of money mentioned previously.

Nothing has been played down regarding the bomb attack "near" Notre dame in 2016. It was at 3.30am that it should have exploded. No one around. It was in the news in France.
They were sent down on Friday for eight years, the place they tried to bomb then burns down, was that link in the news ?
Yes, the bomb failded so they tried to burn the car. That particular attack was in 2016. It was near "Notre Dame" , not at Notre Dame. Not sure what they tried to achieved at 3.30am. No one at that time of the night.

St Sulpice fire might have been started by some homeless.



kev1974

4,029 posts

128 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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https://www.theguardian.com/global/2019/apr/17/fra...

International competition to be held to design the replacement spire

Should rebuild it in the shape of the builders' discarded gauloises fag end that probably started the blaze, as the ultimate No Smoking symbol.

Ayahuasca

27,427 posts

278 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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Roofless Toothless said:
Ayahuasca said:
Glad they managed to save the priceless national treasures - the crown of thorns, St Louis’ coat, the cockerel, the sacred white flag.
World War One, combined military and civilian deaths:

France ... 1,397,000
U.K. ... ... 760,800


World War Two, combined military and civilian deaths:

France ... 600,000
U.K. ... ... 451,000
Kittens dying...... lots

BTW, in WWII French military deaths were 200,000 compared to the UK’s 400,000, so whatever your point was, wasn’t.