Garage challenge

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GT03ROB

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13,261 posts

221 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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So we are edging closer day by day to getting our house sale & purchase over the line, though everyday I expect there to be a call to say it's all fallen through. Anyhow with all the things that need sorting & arranging, apparently her biggest issue is sorting out the garaging. Shes says she doesn't want the place looking like a gypsy camp with cars all over the drive.

So current arrangements at the prospective property are an open fronted timber framed structure about 6m wide, with timber cladding to the sides & a tin roof. the structure goes back about 14m where it abutts another structure which is brick built with a slate roof & has permission for conversion to residential use. The internal structure is clearly old from the condition of the beams & posts. The property is in a conservation area but is not listed, with parts of the main property dating to back to the 17th Ct. Access to it would need to remain from the short side (I think) as otherwise we would need to take a chunk out of the lawn.

I believe that sort of size should give me enough space for a 4 car garage, in a tandem arrangement. which would be ideal though maybe a little tight width wise,

I don't forsee any planning issues working more or less within this footprint as it's an existing structure shown on the deeds, I would hope the conservation officer would primarily be concerned with the external apearance albeit the only part visible from the road wold be the 6m wide elevation that is set back from the road by 20m.

So is this just a case of go to one of the oak framed garage companies? Any other thoughts on configuration?

Financially I dread to think!

sfella

885 posts

108 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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Have you considered a steel frame?If your cladding it you wouldn't see the steel work externally and the roof will be designed for corrugated sheets.

Doofus

25,777 posts

173 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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Can you move the opening from the short side to a long side? That way you get a 14m wide, 6m deep garage, which is going to be better than 6x14.

GT03ROB

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Wednesday 17th April 2019
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sfella said:
Have you considered a steel frame?If your cladding it you wouldn't see the steel work externally and the roof will be designed for corrugated sheets.
Wouldn't want corrugated sheets, as the building it ajoins & main house has slate.

GT03ROB

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Wednesday 17th April 2019
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Doofus said:
Can you move the opening from the short side to a long side? That way you get a 14m wide, 6m deep garage, which is going to be better than 6x14.
The more I think about it the better that idea is. I could actually set up access to be from either side,

Bill

52,684 posts

255 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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What's the issue with the current structure??

healeyfan

251 posts

190 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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If you have 4 cars in tandem human nature being what it is means that the 2 at the back rarely get used. Also it's never a good idea to start a car, reverse it, and then switch the engine off.
Have a look at Rhino steel cladding. Just replaced my roof and it was so easy to do. Can't recommend the product highly enough and the company were so helpful.

AndrewEH1

4,917 posts

153 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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healeyfan said:
Also it's never a good idea to start a car, reverse it, and then switch the engine off.
You'll have to explain that one? I've never heard that!

GT03ROB

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Wednesday 17th April 2019
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Bill said:
What's the issue with the current structure??
I'm not sure if it's the funny angle some parts are leaning at: the acrow props supporting some of the beams or the fact I think the ivy covering part of it is actually holding those parts together that worries me the most!

healeyfan said:
If you have 4 cars in tandem human nature being what it is means that the 2 at the back rarely get used. Also it's never a good idea to start a car, reverse it, and then switch the engine off.
Have a look at Rhino steel cladding. Just replaced my roof and it was so easy to do. Can't recommend the product highly enough and the company were so helpful.
Not using 2 often would not be the end of the world they don't get used a huge amount currently. I can see the conservation officer loving metal cladding!!

sfella

885 posts

108 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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GT03ROB said:
Wouldn't want corrugated sheets, as the building it ajoins & main house has slate.
What kind of roof are you looking for? I read tin so assumed sheets

GT03ROB

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Wednesday 17th April 2019
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sfella said:
GT03ROB said:
Wouldn't want corrugated sheets, as the building it ajoins & main house has slate.
What kind of roof are you looking for? I read tin so assumed sheets
Maybe I wasn't clear, it's tin now but would change to slate to match house & outbuilding it''s attached to.

healeyfan

251 posts

190 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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Starting car from cold and then switching off leads to bore wash and shortens life of the engine. Also dumps neat fuel into the catalytic converter.
Sorry I thought you wanted to replace the existing tin roof.

GT03ROB

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Wednesday 17th April 2019
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Hopefully this gives a better idea. You can see the view from the road & then the side view with the building on the end.



Bill

52,684 posts

255 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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GT03ROB said:
I'm not sure if it's the funny angle some parts are leaning at: the acrow props supporting some of the beams or the fact I think the ivy covering part of it is actually holding those parts together that worries me the most!
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Andeh1

7,108 posts

206 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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If hobbits built garages..... biglaugh


Please keep us updated to your progress!

Bill

52,684 posts

255 months

Thursday 18th April 2019
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Just looked at the photos. hehe That is a state!

I'd lose some lawn to make it more usable, but if the less used cars are summer only you could drive them out over the grass. Depends how much croquet space you need.

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 18th April 2019
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B'stard Child said:
AndrewEH1 said:
healeyfan said:
Also it's never a good idea to start a car, reverse it, and then switch the engine off.
You'll have to explain that one? I've never heard that!
Google borewash

Leads to starting issues

Plus dumping a load of water in an exhaust system isn’t a great idea
Well you live and learn.

Never heard of it in my 57 years, and it's never happened to me either, despite 30 odd years of doing exactly that.


GT03ROB

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13,261 posts

221 months

Thursday 18th April 2019
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Bill said:
Just looked at the photos. hehe That is a state!

I'd lose some lawn to make it more usable, but if the less used cars are summer only you could drive them out over the grass. Depends how much croquet space you need.
Exactly! I think driving over the grass would be a no no as she doesn't want cars on the drive 'cos she thinks it it will look a bit gypsy.Driving over the grass will be out!

GT03ROB

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13,261 posts

221 months

Wednesday 29th May 2019
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Bill said:
What's the issue with the current structure??
So having moved in a week ago, I can now confirm after a "detailed structural survey":

  • part of it is being held up by acrows
  • part by 4x4 wedged in timbers
  • part by the ivy (which appears to be very very old by the thickness)
  • corrugated tin roof has just been put over the original roof structure (it looks to be 8-10" above the original rafters & battens)
  • original roof was probably slate given the batten spacing
  • there are some beautiful old beams in there
So I can now know it's going to have to come down. There appears to be a "certificate of lawful development" to renovate the structure & building on the end whatever one of those are. This includes for residential use & the sketch shows double garage doors on the part facing the road. Will have to investigate further when I get back home in a few weeks.

Skyedriver

17,812 posts

282 months

Wednesday 29th May 2019
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keirik said:
B'stard Child said:
AndrewEH1 said:
healeyfan said:
Also it's never a good idea to start a car, reverse it, and then switch the engine off.
You'll have to explain that one? I've never heard that!
Google borewash

Leads to starting issues

Plus dumping a load of water in an exhaust system isn’t a great idea
Well you live and learn.

Never heard of it in my 57 years, and it's never happened to me either, despite 30 odd years of doing exactly that.
I'm 66 and knew that since I was 17 although don't always follow guidance!